Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[nardy2]

With FIBA's flawed rankings that's not saying much.

Present Rankings ---> Philippines #45 Japan #35

Well you have a point there:

FIBA-Asia Championship:

2011 Philippines #4 Japan #7
2009 Philippines #8 Japan #10
2007 Philippines #9 Japan #8
2005 Philippines DNP Japan #5

FIBA Asia Cup (formerly the FIBA-Asia Stankovic Cup)

2012 Philippines #4 Japan #2
2010 Philippines #4 Japan #2
2008 Philippines DNP Japan DNP
2004 Philippines #8 Japan #5

U18 FIBA-Asia Championship:

2012 Philippines #6 Japan #4
2010 Philippines #5 Japan #8
2008 Philippines #7 Japan #4
2006 Philippines DNP Japan #6

U16 FIBA-Asia Championship:

2011 Philippines #4 Japan #3
2009 Philippines #4 Japan #6

U20 FIBA-Asia Championship:

2004 Philippines #12 Japan #13
2000 Philippines #7 Japan #4

Asian Games:

2010 Philippines #6 Japan #4
2006 Philippines DNP Japan #6
2002 Philippines #4 Japan #6
1998 Philippines #3 Japan #10

R. William Jones Cup:

2012 Philippines #1 Japan #6
2011 Philippines #3 Japan #5
2010 Philippines #4 Japan #3
2009 Philippines #6 Japan #9

Those years that we were suspended by FIBA really done us in the rankings.

 

[Epithetless2]

Best example why it is NOT just in the genes:

A big portion of Malaysians, Singaporeans, Hongkies and Taiwanese (to some extent even Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese) are ethnically Chinese but you see the huge discrepancy when it comes to performance in sports. Their similarities end in the blood and language. This just goes to show the level of preparations/importance the Chinese government gives their athletes as early as their childhood years. You want a real grassroots program? Just look at China. And it's not just for basketball but for ALL sports!

While I won't argue against the fact that preparation and a good grassroots program are the keys to sustaining top-level performance in international athletic meets, I would like to point out that the Chinese are genetically diverse. The tall and strong gene pool are mostly from the north, (people north of the Yangtze), those from the South are smaller, thinner and the usual shop-owning Chinese you'd see all over South east asia. The point is though the basketball players from taiwan/HK/SEA looks the same as the Mainlanders (to us) does not mean that they are both blessed by the same athletic gifts.

 

[digitalsuperman2]

Present Rankings ---> Philippines #45 Japan #35

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Those years that we were suspended by FIBA really done us in the rankings.

speaking of rankings sir nardy. how important is it to have a higher fiba ranking for our nt?

 

[nardy2]

speaking of rankings sir nardy. how important is it to have a higher fiba ranking for our nt?

Well it will be very important when the format for qualifications to the FIBA Basketball World Cup and Basketball Competition for the Olympics becomes home-and-away set-up.

They'll probably pattern in the way they do it in FIFA World Cup and the Tennis Davis Cup. If there is somebody who is more familiar with the way they do it in Soccer Football and Lawn Tennis, hope if you can enlighten us here how the process is.

http://forums.interbasket.net/showthread.php?19990-SBP-Long-Term-National-Pool-%28Vol-XX%29&p=743025&highlight=fiba+basketball+world+cup+home+away#post743025

http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/fiba-institutes-football-like-qualifiers-for-larger-world-cup-eurobasket-only-every-four-years-and-not-a-qualifying-tournament-changes-to-nbaeuroleague-imminent/

 

[Epithetless2]

http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/fiba-institutes-football-like-qualifiers-for-larger-world-cup-eurobasket-only-every-four-years-and-not-a-qualifying-tournament-changes-to-nbaeuroleague-imminent/

How I understood FIBA wants to do it:

1. Divide the teams to Div. A and Div. B., each divison divided into groups of 3 or 4 teams each
2. home-away format
3. Combine Asia and Oceania into Asia-Pacific for qualifiers but keep separate for Continental champs.
4. Expand World tournament to 32
with 24 teams Europe had 6, Americas 4, Asia 3, Africa 3, Oceania 2 + 1 Olympic Champion, + 1 Host, +4 Wildcards
with 32 teams a possible breakdown could be Europe 8, Americas 6, Africa 5, Asia-Pac 7 + 1 Olympic Champion, + 1 Host, +4 Wildcards

If Asia-Pac's representation for 2014 Madrid was determined by this (+ FIFA style previous tourney results ranking):
Div. A tournament would look like this (top 7 to World tourney, +possible wildcard):
1. Australia (2010 10th)
2. New Zealand (2010 12th)
3. China (2010 16th)
4. Iran (2010 19th)
5. Lebanon (2010 21st)
6. Jordan (2010 23rd)
seeded by FIBA rank
7. Korea
8. Japan
9. Qatar
10. Chinese Taipei
11. Philippines
12. Kazakhstan

These are then grouped into 4 based on seeding,
A
Australia
Japan
Kazakhstan
B
New Zealand
Korea
Philippines
C
China
Jordan
Chinese Taipei
D
Iran
Lebanon
Qatar

Each team must play their group twice, once home and once away.
Top teams qualify for Worlds?
Runners up from each group form another group for classification and remaining World Cup spots
Bottom team from each group form another group for classification, bottom team relegated

Div. B.
rest of Asia+Oceania can enter qualifications, seeded by FIBA rank and grouped
Best result promoted.

DISCLAIMER: Italicized purely speculative as the article did not go beyond groupings.

 

[rhk1112]

Well it will be very important when the format for qualifications to the FIBA Basketball World Cup and Basketball Competition for the Olympics becomes home-and-away set-up.

They'll probably pattern in the way they do it in FIFA World Cup and the Tennis Davis Cup. If there is somebody who is more familiar with the way they do it in Soccer Football and Lawn Tennis, hope if you can enlighten us here how the process is.

http://forums.interbasket.net/showthread.php?19990-SBP-Long-Term-National-Pool-%28Vol-XX%29&p=743025&highlight=fiba+basketball+world+cup+home+away#post743025

http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/fiba-institutes-football-like-qualifiers-for-larger-world-cup-eurobasket-only-every-four-years-and-not-a-qualifying-tournament-changes-to-nbaeuroleague-imminent/

I've always thought that FIFA's Home and Away format is much better than the League tournaments that FIBA works out, because it brings the games to the home fans, making for nail-biting and exciting games. Take note, though, that there are some factors unique to Football that may not work in Basketball, or at least Basketball needs to sort out, particularly in the issue of Wins and Losses.

A "Home and Away" format means TWO games, so what if the each team wins at home, how are you going to decide the winner?

FIFA uses tools like the Away Goals Rule, Overtimes and Penalty Shoot Outs to determine the winner. I imagine FIBA would have to institute something similar, probably something like a Point Difference which would be the easiest to implement right now.

 

[rhk1112]

FIBA could take a hint at the format of the Suzuki Cup which was held just this December 2012, which was:
- Hold a Qualifying Tournament for the Quarterfinals, in round-robin format in a city.
- Winners are determined via a Point System, which Basketball will have to make one of their own as the Football point system won't apply to them, unless they start accepting Draws as a result (Football allows 3 points for Wins, 1 point for Draws, and 0 points for Losses).
- The Semi-Finals and Finals are then on a Home and Away format.

 

[Epithetless2]

I think the Division system which FIBA intend to use would preclude the need for a qualifying tournament. This way the weak teams could play for their own championships, the Div. B title and promotion to Div. A, and do so with half their games in front of their home crowds. I think that will help promote basketball more in countries where basketball is still developing.

 

[CoJ2]

FIBA could take a hint at the format of the Suzuki Cup which was held just this December 2012, which was:
- Hold a Qualifying Tournament for the Quarterfinals, in round-robin format in a city.
- Winners are determined via a Point System, which Basketball will have to make one of their own as the Football point system won't apply to them, unless they start accepting Draws as a result (Football allows 3 points for Wins, 1 point for Draws, and 0 points for Losses).
- The Semi-Finals and Finals are then on a Home and Away format.

the new FIBA worlds format would ue this format right?

 

[rhk1112]

the new FIBA worlds format would ue this format right?

Probably something similar to it.

 

[killmebusy2]

why is this being discussed here in this thread?

 

[nardy2]

why is this being discussed here in this thread?

sorry my fault as I just answered an off-topic question by digitalsuperman on the importance of the FIBA World Rankings.

 

[Epithetless2]

why is this being discussed here in this thread?

Conversations are like that, they flow freely and sometimes branch out. The off-topic segue has ended, anyway anyone can still steer the conversation back to transactions and rumours no need to call the thread police.

 

[rhk1112]

Some of the posts here yesterday complaining about the topic was deleted by the moderators. I wonder why that was so ...

 

[nardy2]

this early, is there a need to make trades of local players aside fro changing imports especially with the teams now with losing records.

Barako which had 4 players injured have more than enough players in their disposal as currently they have 22 players in practice.

Am assuming other teams also have their own respective reserve and practice players.

 

[Epithetless2]

this early, is there a need to make trades of local players aside fro changing imports especially with the teams now with losing records.

I think it is too early to call for changes, some teams are still just yet to hit their strides. Besides, most of the games were relatively close, looks like this conference will be more competitive than the last.

 

[digitalsuperman2]

this early, is there a need to make trades of local players aside fro changing imports especially with the teams now with losing records.

Barako which had 4 players injured have more than enough players in their disposal as currently they have 22 players in practice.

Am assuming other teams also have their own respective reserve and practice players.

wow 22 players in practice. and speaking of which sir nardy. how are these practice players compensated anyway? do they get a contract too?

 

[silverwing2]

I think it is too early to call for changes, some teams are still just yet to hit their strides. Besides, most of the games were relatively close, looks like this conference will be more competitive than the last.

Ginebra is pushing the panic button on the reinforcement. I believed that the lack of good plays and poor shooting of their local players was the cause of their defeat.

 

[nardy2]

Matt Rogers is no Denzel Bowles .... looks like bye-bye Rogers.

 

[nardy2]

wow 22 players in practice. and speaking of which sir nardy. how are these practice players compensated anyway? do they get a contract too?

There are players under contract who are categorized as on reserve like IBN favorite Eman Monfort and now in the Toroman doghouse, Roger Yap.

But I do not know exactly how Global treats their practice players who are not under contract. Different teams have different ways of compensating practice players who are not under contract.

Some players just go to practice for free and are just hoping their sacrifice would be rewarded in due time. Good examples are Jonathan Uyloan of Rain Or Shine and Aaron Aban of Talk N Text.

Usually teams gives taxi allowance and packed lunch per practice. But I heard the more wealthy teams gives 5k to 8k for being a practice player.