Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[drhouse2]

actually BT has a point, they all gotten injury-prone but that's after they already left the program. Wear and tear could be. But if you're a gym-buff you know a change in routine could sometimes have an adverse effect on you most so if you're doing it for such a long period of time.

As I said before, when TNT first experienced the Serbian Military Camp training of Coach Rajko, even if they're among the best conditioned teams in the PBA, its such a surprise that guys like Ali, Jared well actually all of them, run out of air and were already standing around or heads down while their hands are holding unto their waists. The drills are actually conditioning the players on certain movements which actually happens on the playing court and helps them react faster.

Fact is majority of our players from their younger days had not really given much on their conditioning and training regimen. At least the Fil-ams know more about as they come much earlier as they know the importance of doing warming-up exercises before each highly exhausting physical activity. Our homegrowns could even be seen laughing and making fun of the cooling-down exercises. Its just were not really used to this kind of things. Most would just come just about time or a bit late (Filipino time) then wants just to do shoot-arounds and some scrimmages. However thats no longer the thing right now. Some of the trainers even insert exercises which are yoga and ballet regimens.

Its just hard to justify change when we are not used to it. But we know its not only the Serbians who do it, even the Greeks, the Koreans, the Japanese, .... now the Iranians. Its not that its bad or good for us Filipinos, I like what Ronald Tubid said before he was shipped-out of Barako, "kaunting hinay-hinay lang".

I also feel the spate of injuries in the Barako camp is because "nabigla lang" but when everything becomes routine, you'll see the benefits not only during the game but as Jim Saret says it in your well-being.

.... ahh now I remember. they should have a break-in period first before going full-throttle.

on the grassroots ... BT is also correct that we should start such a training with the Youth and Cadet hopefulls. Lets start e while they are young.

I think what is being mentally missed is that you have to be a great athlete first before you can become a great trainee. Top african-american ballers are already excellent athletes in their teens and early 20s, and are thus prepared for serious team training. Just looking at most uaap and ncaa players and you already know that they haven't understood the severe athleticism and conditioning required by non-casual sports. Proper awarming up and cooling down takes two hours. And that's without the added 2 hours minimum for separate power hops and strength
maintenance. Pinoy youths would rather go malling, or eating sinful food and drinking sinful drinks, with friends.

 

[nardy2]

Does anyone remember what Mathias previously had done?

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/cops-show-up-at-pba-game-looking-for-rain-or-shines-ronnie-matias

 

[killmebusy2]

Like i've been saying all along..fudge boy should tweak his regimen to the biology of pinoys. We are not as physically imposing as other raises..our bone and muscle structures aren't at par with whoever you're comparing them to. Simply put, pinoys are naturally more fragile and that is not in any way caused by poor training and/or laziness..it's genetics.

 

[silverwing2]

Like i've been saying all along..fudge boy should tweak his regimen to the biology of pinoys. We are not as physically imposing as other raises..our bone and muscle structures aren't at par with whoever you're comparing them to. Simply put, pinoys are naturally more fragile and that is not in any way caused by poor training and/or laziness..it's genetics.

I believed that this is the main reason. We do know how our young players tends to be spoiled on their college careers, players with potentials offered with great perks and scholarship from big universities which in someway tends to make these youngster lazy to commits themselves in an intense training to improve their skills more. They have cars, condo/house , girls, fame in school ,allowances and free education what more they can ask for. lol hehe. This case can also be evident to most of our PBA players, they have luxurious salary and allowances also some good perks on their contracts which sometimes makes them contented on their current skill sets and avoids hard core training. There are very few who really give extra work/training just to improve their skill sets. Sometimes some PBA players shows their best performances during the last few months/year of their contract hoping to get a better offer on their next contract. After signing some of them goes back to their lazy way of playing/training.

 

[killmebusy2]

I disagree...it's all about the genes. First of, pinoy parents are so over protective that they would not want to expose kids to intense trainings even at the college level...at the end of it all, the focus is still with their studies and college coaches understand that. And still the concern is can a typical pinoy body handle it? I don't think so. Nardy pointed out the fil-fors adjusting better..well, that's coz they have mixed genes. Pinoys are biologically small, fragile and unathletic as compared to the other races. Although i agree with your laziness angle on some players..there are a lot who work their ass off and yet are still physically lacking.

I believed that this is the main reason. We do know how our young players tends to be spoiled on their college careers, players with potentials offered with great perks and scholarship from big universities which in someway tends to make these youngster lazy to commits themselves in an intense training to improve their skills more. They have cars, condo/house , girls, fame in school ,allowances and free education what more they can ask for. lol hehe. This case can also be evident to most of our PBA players, they have luxurious salary and allowances also some good perks on their contracts which sometimes makes them contented on their current skill sets and avoids hard core training. There are very few who really give extra work/training just to improve their skill sets. Sometimes some PBA players shows their best performances during the last few months/year of their contract hoping to get a better offer on their next contract. After signing some of them goes back to their lazy way of playing/training.

 

[nardy2]

I disagree...it's all about the genes. First of, pinoy parents are so over protective that they would not want to expose kids to intense trainings even at the college level...at the end of it all, the focus is still with their studies and college coaches understand that. And still the concern is can a typical pinoy body handle it? I don't think so. Nardy pointed out the fil-fors adjusting better..well, that's coz they have mixed genes. Pinoys are biologically small, fragile and unathletic as compared to the other races. Although i agree with your laziness angle on some players..there are a lot who work their ass off and yet are still physically lacking.

on the Fil-ams, its not about the genes its more on their understanding that if you want to get ahead, you must be conditioned or even better conditioned than others. Over the US, they know if they just bum around they could not outplay the more physically gifted afro-americans nor the caucasians. Maybe its more of culture, just like overprotective parents which you cited, then there's the Filipino Time which we are so known for, the bahala na attitude instead of becoming pro-active, and there's what my for expat boss noted, we Pinoys are just too wise, instead of exerting physical effort lets say to do a certain job to be done, we Pinoys would rather find ways to do a short-cut or a work-around instead of doing the work straight forward.

Look at Tubid, he might sound funny to some fans when he gone-out to the press and say he is appealing to Toroman to take it easy on practices and its not because he is not for it but he is concerned to his much older team mates .... to Coach Rajko that's not funny but to him that's a smart aleck excuse. So instead of Toroman trying to make Tubid understand what his training is all about ..... its out of Barako he goes.

Its too early to say if the Spartan training now in place at Barako did good or bad to the team, even though there are some who are now down with injuries. I think its just fair that lets see after 4 to 6 months of the Barako players condition compared to before Toroman came in then compared to the other players.

But fact is that we Pinoys are not used to such things especially now that Scouting, CAT, ROTC or even YCAP is no longer required. I even could not understand when before our among our electives was Auto Mechanics and the hard stuffs but then I was now surprised to learn my nephew's school electives are culinary arts and the like.

Then more of the kids now would rather play basketball using the computer or internet rather actually play the game.

 

[sharky2]

Like i've been saying all along..fudge boy should tweak his regimen to the biology of pinoys. We are not as physically imposing as other raises..our bone and muscle structures aren't at par with whoever you're comparing them to. Simply put, pinoys are naturally more fragile and that is not in any way caused by poor training and/or laziness..it's genetics.

wow! speak for yourself. not for the whole filipino race. seriously. maybe you are fragile. haha

 

[CoJ2]

Gilas 1 fanboys are at it again.... They're back!

atleast they dont hate the PBA like before,hehe

 

[killmebusy2]

wow! speak for yourself. not for the whole filipino race. seriously. maybe you are fragile. haha

The number of injuries speak for themselves.

 

[privateEYE2]

Its too early to say if the Spartan training now in place at Barako did good or bad to the team, even though there are some who are now down with injuries. I think its just fair that lets see after 4 to 6 months of the Barako players condition compared to before Toroman came in then compared to the other players.

No concern on imposing a Spartan type training but the problem is when Toroman leaves the team (like Gilas 1). Stopping with immediate effect the spartan training will have big effect on the players' body condition. I think this explains why some Gilas 1 members are injured prone and I can't imagine the effect on BB's manong players if after 1 season that BB decided to replace Toroman. Baka mapa early retirement sila.

 

[fadzki2]

No concern on imposing a Spartan type training but the problem is when Toroman leaves the team (like Gilas 1). Stopping with immediate effect the spartan training will have big effect on the players' body condition. I think this explains why some Gilas 1 members are injured prone and I can't imagine the effect on BB's manong players if after 1 season that BB decided to replace Toroman. Baka mapa early retirement sila.

DS dunked again.. spartan type training is doing some wonders for the oldies..

 

[Jordan Bruiseter2]

Does anyone remember what Mathias previously had done?

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/cops-show-up-at-pba-game-looking-for-rain-or-shines-ronnie-matias

It was apparently a matter of P16K which was stolen from the complainant's vehicle half a decade ago, with Ronnie as the prime suspect.

 

[startupsold2]

PBA board should innovate the third conf. its getting tedious having 6'5 imports playing against local players. Why don't they bring in 6'8 euro-aussie-asian (e.g non american) players and re-brand the governors cup to 'Euro-Asian cup. It is notable that the fan interest dwindle during the last conf.

 

[silverwing2]

I disagree...it's all about the genes. First of, pinoy parents are so over protective that they would not want to expose kids to intense trainings even at the college level...at the end of it all, the focus is still with their studies and college coaches understand that. And still the concern is can a typical pinoy body handle it? I don't think so. Nardy pointed out the fil-fors adjusting better..well, that's coz they have mixed genes. Pinoys are biologically small, fragile and unathletic as compared to the other races. Although i agree with your laziness angle on some players..there are a lot who work their ass off and yet are still physically lacking.

Technically majority of Filipinos have mixed genes. China has a more fragile and unathletic type of body frame if you ask me, but because of their discipline and their dedication in training they have produced world class athletes. In terms of height and body structure, Japan is closely similar in comparison to us but with the their discipline and dedication, they have also produced world class athletes. If they have the same passion in basketball similar to us, I think they can be ranked better internationally than us.

 

[killmebusy2]

Technically majority of Filipinos have mixed genes. China has a more fragile and unathletic type of body frame if you ask me, but because of their discipline and their dedication in training they have produced world class athletes. In terms of height and body structure, Japan is closely similar in comparison to us but with the their discipline and dedication, they have also produced world class athletes. If they have the same passion in basketball similar to us, I think they can be ranked better internationally than us.

true but that would take time...i'm not saying fudge boy's method is wrong..it's just that he has to adjust it to who he is preaching to. would you give the same training to a national team (supposedly the best of the best) who is vying for supremacy against other nations in a 2 week tourney and one that you give a ho-hum professional team who plays at least 8 months worth of 48 minutes games a year? that's not even taking into consideration the age, injury history and current conditioning of the players. i believe his training methods are suited for a preseason training camp but in-season fatigue and injury risks should be supressed not elevated.

 

[greenarcher2]

Best example why it is NOT just in the genes:

A big portion of Malaysians, Singaporeans, Hongkies and Taiwanese (to some extent even Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese) are ethnically Chinese but you see the huge discrepancy when it comes to performance in sports. Their similarities end in the blood and language. This just goes to show the level of preparations/importance the Chinese government gives their athletes as early as their childhood years. You want a real grassroots program? Just look at China. And it's not just for basketball but for ALL sports!

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

PBA players are trained brought about by needs. Some of the most well-conditioned teams in the PBA - the likes of TNT of present, Tanduay Gold of circa 1999-2001 under Alfrancis Chua, the 2002-03 TNT team of Bill Bayno, the 1997-98 San Miguel Beermen, the 1983 Crispa Redmanizers of Tommy Manotoc, have performed with mixed results - some of them doing extremely well, while some didn't. The Crispa Redmanizers of the 70's and early 80's will never be classified as the best in terms of conditioning but they were trained just enough to win several titles and dominate.

Top coaches like Chot, Tim, Yeng, and Jong understand the need for proper conditioning. But they tailor-fit their regimen based on the needs of the team to play competitively in the league. If the league espoused the same 82-game rule of the NBA, then expect the conditioning to be different.

Ditto with the national team. Rajko Toroman can be credited for having guys like Tiu, Barroca, Casio, Baracael, etc. to be in tip-top shape, perhaps even better than their pro counterparts before. The NCC team under Ron Jacobs was also better conditioned compared to the PBA players, but that is all expected. The requirements of the national team is very different from the PBA. PBA coaches understand there's no need to over-exert the players in training simply because there's no need for such.

If Toroman feels that his regimen will be good to make Barako Energy the best team in the PBA in the next few conferences, then we'll soon find out. There are tradeoffs though, and this would initially be felt as adjustments are made. Will Barako be able to reap the dividends of such spartan training? We don't know. Will this be good for the players? Probably.

But until the PBA reformats and increases the frequency of the games of each team (say at least 3x a week for the next 8-9 months), then that's the only time we can see adjustment being made. There will always be pros and cons with what Toroman is doing; in the same way that there will be pros and cons with what the status quo presents. What we do know, judging from history, is that there's no historical precedent that will prove that a tougher training regimen can result to league dominance.

 

[nardy2]

No concern on imposing a Spartan type training but the problem is when Toroman leaves the team (like Gilas 1). Stopping with immediate effect the spartan training will have big effect on the players' body condition. I think this explains why some Gilas 1 members are injured prone and I can't imagine the effect on BB's manong players if after 1 season that BB decided to replace Toroman. Baka mapa early retirement sila.

agree with you. maybe the players should do the same exercises on their personal time if ever.

 

[nardy2]

Technically majority of Filipinos have mixed genes. China has a more fragile and unathletic type of body frame if you ask me, but because of their discipline and their dedication in training they have produced world class athletes. In terms of height and body structure, Japan is closely similar in comparison to us but with the their discipline and dedication, they have also produced world class athletes. If they have the same passion in basketball similar to us, I think they can be ranked better internationally than us.

Well actually Japan is really ranked better than us.

 

[durden_tyler2]

Well actually Japan is really ranked better than us.

With FIBA's flawed rankings that's not saying much.