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Gilas in the next PBA conference

Gilas in the next PBA conference


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nope, didnt quote nardy bro lol. you must have gotten it all mixed up but i dont blame you. you seem to be a very busy poster with lots of things on your mind.;)

Whew, must have been the weed that got me all mixed up. Let me check again...........

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Originally Posted by nardy
I might be wrong but in my personal opinion the PBA did play a vital role in what you said is meltdown in Asian Basketball, firstly is the formation of the league itself was due to the Team owners desire not to lend their players to the National Team. That is in the PBA Charter and the PBA does not deny this and that is also why a MOA is needed in order for them to form the national team as it is against the PBA rules. Since the best players of the country plays in the PBA that deprived the National Team of getting said players from 1975 to 1990. On another matter the way they designed the rules of the PBA is to make it a more entertaining to the eyes of the viewing public and that made the players play basketball not the correct way so even if the PBA formed the National Team, the players and even the coaches had a hard time adjusting to the FIBA rules. And now how they are now handling the stint of GILAS in the PBA speaks a lot of the seriousness of the PBA's desire to help. As I said previously after Giles .... would they say Slaughter and Fajardo should be barred from playing also because it's unfair to the other teams. I do understand them, but it shows what is really the PBA's priority.

There are avctually many more .... but sorry got to run to the Arena as I have a Championship game to watch.

that would be all, your honor!:p

Hmmm, wasn't that your post? It said Alien Space Bats quoting Nardy. For reference its Page 45, post #886.

However, it seems this crucial conclusion below was deleted from Sir Nardy’s post. A conclusion that coincidentally supported my position. Oh well, I guess you deleted it “accidentally”. wink wink

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Originally Posted by nardy

There are actually many more. But a number of them where already mentioned by Manu_bol .... but sorry got to run to the Arena as I have a Championship game to watch.

But as I said previously said even though the PBA played a vital role, there are many other factors that led to our fall and the biggest contributor was the BAP. As of now the SBP is trying to remedy the situation but I wish everybody have patience about it as we cannot expect instant success as a solution caused by decades of damage is not that easy.

Tsk tsk tsk, bad, bad bad. What did you call that before, "Bible-cutting"?. He he. Peace Bro. Just don't do that again. Its a nasty habit and you do a disservice to the people you quote.
 
Yeah worldwide immortality in getting beat by 50+ points by European teams..hehe... Peace...

Sir, please get your facts straight with regards to NCC's performance against some Euro teams.

They did fare decently in inter club games against American, Euro and Asian teams.
 
Ha ha, I meant no matter the score, it would be immortalized in sports history books that we were in the Olympics for being the best in Asia that year.

Not to mention the fact that they could possibly get immortalized via the addition of the Philippine team in the NBA Live Games Series (NBA Live '12 anyone?). :cool:
 
hey guys, lizardking and alien space bats, hope that you could now stop this long personal discussion of yours, each of you already made your own good points. What I am asking now is not for you to declare it as a draw but instead let there be a truce. Anyway what we all now know is that there is indeed a stagnation or even a decline in quality of Philippine Basketball. Even though it would be informative if we find out all the factors that made this happen and identify the main culprit, we cannot do anything about it anymore as past is past. At the moment it would be much better to hear from you guys what are your suggestions in order for the the Philippines to catch-up with our Asian Neighbors and I know you also have great ideas on how we can get ahead. I still believe that if we Filipinos would fight less against each other and instead join hands for the betterment of our country we could become the great country that the Philippines should have been ages ago.
 
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hey guys, lizardking and alien space bats, hope that you could now stop this long personal discussion of yours, each of you already made your own good points. What I am asking now is not for you to declare it as a draw but instead let there be a truce. Anyway what we all now know is that there is indeed a stagnation or even a decline in quality of Philippine Basketball. Even though it would be informative if we find out all the factors that made this happen and identify the main culprit, we cannot do anything about it anymore as past is past. At the moment it would be much better to hear from you guys what are your suggestions in order for the the Philippines to catch-up with our Asian Neighbors and I know you also have great ideas on how we can get ahead. I still believe that if we Filipinos would fight less against each other and instead join hands for the betterment of our country we could become the great country that the Philippines should have been ages ago.

Will do Sir Nardy. Peace Brother Bats.

By the way Sir Nardy, did Coach Toroman see any good points in Chot Reyes' NT that gave him quite a challenge when he was with Iran? You know, good points about Filipino players which he thought SG could build on.
 
Will do Sir Nardy. Peace Brother Bats.

By the way Sir Nardy, did Coach Toroman see any good points in Chot Reyes' NT that gave him quite a challenge when he was with Iran? You know, good points about Filipino players which he thought SG could build on.

oh is that the quote you're referring to? all i did was reply to nardy's post. i never quoted him directly.nope, i didnt delete any part of Nardy's reply. he must have edited it. i'm quite sure i replied to his original post;)
lol you silly stoner. trying to insinuate that i'm resorting to dirty tactics. that's not my style, bro! but i'm cool with that.. ok enough of this. ;) and peace brother lizard.

i checked the post, bro. it was edited. i was only able to quote the original as i replied as soon as it was posted. so there, no harm done. ;)
 
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hey guys, lizardking and alien space bats, hope that you could now stop this long personal discussion of yours, each of you already made your own good points. What I am asking now is not for you to declare it as a draw but instead let there be a truce. Anyway what we all now know is that there is indeed a stagnation or even a decline in quality of Philippine Basketball. Even though it would be informative if we find out all the factors that made this happen and identify the main culprit, we cannot do anything about it anymore as past is past. At the moment it would be much better to hear from you guys what are your suggestions in order for the the Philippines to catch-up with our Asian Neighbors and I know you also have great ideas on how we can get ahead. I still believe that if we Filipinos would fight less against each other and instead join hands for the betterment of our country we could become the great country that the Philippines should have been ages ago.

thanks nardy and sorry for getting you dragged into this lol i'm sure lizardking's in good faith. we're ok now. ;)
 
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ok. 80% chance i'm gonna watch the game on friday. i'm gonna bring a smart gilas banner. hopefully, i don't get into trouble with any pba player. :p

bad trip lang it's in cuneta astrodome. would have wanted to watch in araneta as i'm gonna be with my dad. trying to reminisce the good old crispa-toyota games at the big dome. hay.....

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/18144-smart-gilas-to-battle-on.html

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SMART Gilas to battle on
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Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
WEDNESDAY, 04 NOVEMBER 2009 19:45

IT has suffered three losses in three games and the rest of its assignments have been downgraded to exhibition matches, but Smart Gilas will battle on.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala said on Wednesday Smart Gilas will continue its stint in the KFC-Philippine Cup despite the Philippine Basketball Association’s (PBA) decision to declare as no-bearing the developmental pool’s remaining games in the conference.

The SBP mulled over cutting its stint short, but PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios and Eala, a former commissioner of the league, ironed out things while the league was on break.

“We are thankful to commissioner Barrios for ensuring that the Smart Gilas games versus the PBA teams will be played under conditions and terms of engagement which will not be only competitive and exciting but also totally helpful and in line with the national team program,” said Eala.

“I am always confident we will positively work out what is good for the RP team. We are all behind it,” said Barrios.

The team, however, has yet to play with a full roster as the SBP is having trouble getting the services of amateur standouts Paul Lee of University of the East and Junmar Fajardo of University of Cebu.

“There is a ‘resistance’ from the handlers of Lee and Fajardo to release them to the national pool,” said Eala, without elaborating the details of their discussion with the players’ agents

Lee and Fajardo are on the lineup of the Smart Gilas team for the ongoing All-Filipino tournament but missed the first three games.

Lee was part of the Red Warriors squad that finished second to Ateneo in the University Athletic Association of the Philippines while the six-foot-nine Fajardo led the Webmasters to the finals of the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc.
 
ok. 80% chance i'm gonna watch the game on friday. i'm gonna bring a smart gilas banner. hopefully, i don't get into trouble with any pba player. :p

bad trip lang it's in cuneta astrodome. would have wanted to watch in araneta as i'm gonna be with my dad. trying to reminisce the good old crispa-toyota games at the big dome. hay.....

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/18144-smart-gilas-to-battle-on.html

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Ugh.. Cuneta Astrodome. I lost my cellphone, handy cam, and digital camera in that wicked stadium. Freaking pickpockets are so skilled you don't even know what hit you.
 
Ugh.. Cuneta Astrodome. I lost my cellphone, handy cam, and digital camera in that wicked stadium. Freaking pickpockets are so skilled you don't even know what hit you.

be careful, its the holiday season, and pickpocketing would be peaking by now.......Did they fix the facilities at the CUNETA? I might watch the Gilas game as well
 
be careful, its the holiday season, and pickpocketing would be peaking by now.......Did they fix the facilities at the CUNETA? I might watch the Gilas game as well

yes. restrooms are close to the standard of sm malls. at least for now.

chairs etc?nah.
 
i find the chairs/seats at the Astrodome too congested......thanks for the info...

fits the price. and for a lower price you'll get better view as compared to that of araneta. araneta though makes you feel cozy. and more secured.
 
Smart-Gilas agrees to new PBA rules
By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 18:04:00 11/04/2009

Filed Under: Basketball, Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)

MANILA, Philippines - A new set of rules acceptable to the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas will be implemented by the Philippine Basketball Association in the ongoing stint of the Smart Gilas Pilipinas National Team in the KFC-PBA Philippine Cup.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said all the games by the 10 PBA ballclubs against the Nationals would no longer reflect in the team standings but got the assurance from the pro league that teams are bound to deliver the same intensity they used to display during regular matches.

Although games will still be played for 48 minutes of 12 minutes each per quarter, Eala and PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios both agreed that Fiba (International Basketball Federation) guidelines should be applied after the league used PBA rules on the first three matches of Gilas.

Fiba rules allow only 40 minutes of 10 minutes each for every quarter.

“Everything has been cleared for Smart Gilas to resume its guest stint in the PBA,'' said Eala.

The new set of guidelines, which will be imposed when Gilas meets the Coca-Cola Tigers Friday at Araneta Coliseum, has nullified the victories of Burger King, Talk N Text and Barangay Ginebra against the national squad and rendered the remaining games non-bearing.

"We are thankful to commissioner Sonny (Barrios) for ensuring that the games will be played under conditions and terms of engagement, which will not only be competitive and exciting but also totally helpful and in line with the objectives of the national team program,'' said Eala.

Aside from imposing Fiba rules on the Gilas-PBA exhibition matches, the pro league will also utilize its pool of referees on officiating the games.

Coached by Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman, the national squad can bring its 18-man roster but only 12 players will be permitted to suit up every game.

A minor disagreement between the SBP and the PBA transpired last week when the league offered two options for Smart Gilas to continue playing against the PBA teams.

One of the options proposed was for Gilas to continue fielding in CJ Giles, a 6-foot-11 former NBA draftee being eyed as a naturalized player for the Nationals, but all games will be considered non-bearing for PBA ballclubs.

The other proposal offered by the PBA board of governors was to remove Giles in the remaining games and continue with the same format earlier accepted by the league and the SBP.
 
Excuse me for sounding stupid, but what the heck are FIBA Guidelines in a 48 minute game officiated by PBA referees?

maybe in the negotiations Sir Noli asked for the implementation of PBA rules but the PBA was not in favor of the SBP bringing in its own referees. Anyway let's hope the PBA referees that would officiate the GILAS games are those who had FIBA experience. From what I know a number of the present PBA referees had at one time or another had international experience.

Hehehe knowing the PBA, they would not like other referees officiating their games, it is a way to make sure that they are in control.

the 12 minute quarters would make the games into PBA pace hahaha
 
Will do Sir Nardy. Peace Brother Bats.

By the way Sir Nardy, did Coach Toroman see any good points in Chot Reyes' NT that gave him quite a challenge when he was with Iran? You know, good points about Filipino players which he thought SG could build on.


from what I know Toroman is intially fascinated with natural talent that filipinos had for the game as he was impressed with that SMC-Philippines team. But it is more on the bad points of that team that he is now working that the GILAS players does not develop or has to unlearn.

we all know about the filipinos being used to play a lot of one-on-one, so instead of doing our normal isolations, he would have the team do a lot of screens or picks plus quick ball movement in order to free-up a certain player. then there is the tendency of our players to complain whenever a call is not in their favor which results in a player or players to stop playing in order to voice theit displeasure even if the clock is still ticking and the ball is on the move, he is making his players stop this practice and let him do all the complaining if needed be. Another that has to change is for our players especially our guards who loves to dribble the ball instead to have the ball move to another team mate who could be more open. There are a lot more.

But the thing I saw that we are now working on is the players conditioning and stamina. In Tokushima, Coach Rajko noticed even if our players looks fit they seem to loose steam late in the game and after several continuos games, our players seems to be too tired and fatigue. As of now the team has a fulltime conditioning coach in-charge of the players, aside from the warm-up exercises the GILAS also have cooling down exercises after a hard practice or a long game. They are doing a lot of exercises and drills. Then even if Toroman is not needed in the players weight training, he is there monitoring each one of the players progress.
 
from what I know Toroman is intially fascinated with natural talent that filipinos had for the game as he was impressed with that SMC-Philippines team. But it is more on the bad points of that team that he is now working that the GILAS players does not develop or has to unlearn.

we all know about the filipinos being used to play a lot of one-on-one, so instead of doing our normal isolations, he would have the team do a lot of screens or picks plus quick ball movement in order to free-up a certain player. then there is the tendency of our players to complain whenever a call is not in their favor which results in a player or players to stop playing in order to voice theit displeasure even if the clock is still ticking and the ball is on the move, he is making his players stop this practice and let him do all the complaining if needed be. Another that has to change is for our players especially our guards who loves to dribble the ball instead to have the ball move to another team mate who could be more open. There are a lot more.

But the thing I saw that we are now working on is the players conditioning and stamina. In Tokushima, Coach Rajko noticed even if our players looks fit they seem to loose steam late in the game and after several continuos games, our players seems to be too tired and fatigue. As of now the team has a fulltime conditioning coach in-charge of the players, aside from the warm-up exercises the GILAS also have cooling down exercises after a hard practice or a long game. They are doing a lot of exercises and drills. Then even if Toroman is not needed in the players weight training, he is there monitoring each one of the players progress.

Whoa Toroman indeed is a complete package.
Money well spent on him.

Go Gilas!!!

Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!
(Trans: Onward Philippine Basketball!!)
 
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6 recruits beef up pro loop refs' pool
By Joaquin Henson
Updated November 05, 2009 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - In a continuing effort to upgrade officiating standards, the PBA recently hired six new referees from the UAAP and PBL ranks to reinforce its 20-man pool headed by top-raters Luisito Cruz, Throngy Aldaba, Arthur Herrera, Jess Ferrer and Manolito Quilinguen.

The rookies are Ronald Mauricio, Rodito Marabe, Benny Barbacena, Ronald Ibay, Sherwin Pineda and Jimmy Mariano (no relation to the former national player).

Technical consultant Romy Guevara, who has been involved in basketball for over 40 years, said all the 20 PBA referees are subjected to rigid physical and mental training to make sure they’re on the ball when the buzzer sounds.

“Physically, I think our referees are in excellent shape,” said Guevara who supervised officiating in the PBL, UAAP, NCAA and for six years in Qatar. “They keep pace with the players and are on top of every fastbreak situation. Now that the season is ongoing, they report for early morning jogs Mondays and Tuesdays. We review each game on tape to find out where there is still room for improvement. Performance evaluation is something we do after every game.”

The referees are given tips on anger management by sports psychologist Dr. Nyra Orbeta and undergo eye exercises to sharpen their vision with ophthalmologist Dr. Charlie Ho.

PBA special assistant to the commissioner Willie Marcial said upgrading officiating standards is a key priority and reported close coordination with the PBL, through commissioner Chino Trinidad, in identifying future prospects.

Marcial said the PBA retired Mario Montiel and Joey Calungcaguin in the offseason. Also taken out of the referees’ roster were Roberto Ting Jr. and Vincent Ledda. Two years ago, Marcial said Gharchee Ferrer, Glenn Cornelio and Elvero Banilla Espinosa were removed from the rolls to make room for fresh recruits.

“We want to correct the misimpression that the referees were fired,” said Marcial. “They were all given gratuity pay which we wouldn’t have done if they were fired. Joey, for instance, retired because of a recurring knee problem. Some of those who left had no PBL or UAAP experience. Now, we’re trying to rebuild our pool by recruiting from the PBL and UAAP.”

Guevara, 72, said while referees are only human and therefore commit mistakes, he guarantees that their errors are not deliberate.

“You can be sure that our referees are honest,” said Guevara who is in his third year as technical consultant working with supervisor of officials Ramil Cruz. “Of course, they make mistakes. They’re only human. In the Smart Gilas-Burger King game where there were four flagrant fouls, at least one more flagrant should’ve been called.”

Guevara, who has worked 14 years overall with the PBA, said so far this season, officiating has been fair and consistent on the whole.

“My goal is for every referee to become a crew chief,” said Guevara. “If all our referees are capable of working as a crew chief, imagine how smooth our rotation will be. Our rules and mechanics are not hard to learn and master. All it takes is hard work, dedication, mental alertness and good physical conditioning.”

Guevara said the PBA’s rule changes this season aren’t difficult to apply. The major changes concern flopping and setting picks. A defensive player guilty of flopping is given a warning on the first infraction and a technical foul on the succeeding violations. Regarding picks, a player who sets a screen may move his body into a new but equal position sideways provided his shoulders are directly squared with his foot. The feet must be established for position and the defensive player must not have passed the screener. Other rule changes include the reversions to the rectangular shaded lane and the 22-foot three-point arc.

“Players are adjusting well,” said Guevara. “We’re just a few weeks into the season and so far, there are no major problems.”

At the top of the referees roster are Class A officials Cruz and Aldaba. Cruz, 47, took up chemistry at FEU and officiated in the PBL starting 1994 until he joined the PBA. He was previously employed in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Aldaba, 37, graduated from the University of Negros Occidental-Recoletos and worked two seasons in the MBA before moving to the PBA.

Also in the elite level are Herrera, Ferrer and Quilinguen. Herrera, 45, earned a commerce degree at the University of Pangasinan and worked four PBL seasons then joined the PBA in 2001. Ferrer, 42, attended NU and UP while Quilinguen, 44, finished nautical engineering
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