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does this mean that we will not have an entry to the unity games?

it is not the Unity Games .... it is the Universiade. The Universiade is often referred to in English as the World University Games or World Student Games.

it seems somebody or some people failed to do their work and was not able to submit the required entry forms to the organizers of the 2009 Belgrade Universiade Games. What puzzled me is that there is a big amount of time from the time DLSU became Champs of the PCC upto the entry form deadline last month.

It is the SBP's job to nominate the team to represent the country to the games. The thing I am seeing right now, it seems certain administrative duties by the SBP is not being done. It seems the organization is not yet that organized in dealing with other organizations both internationally and locally. This is still birth pains of a new organization .... but they really need to shape up fast or the good plans of the SBP might implode with this kind of admin or paperwork mishups.
 
it is not the Unity Games .... it is the Universiade. The Universiade is often referred to in English as the World University Games or World Student Games.

it seems somebody or some people failed to do their work and was not able to submit the required entry forms to the organizers of the 2009 Belgrade Universiade Games. What puzzled me is that there is a big amount of time from the time DLSU became Champs of the PCC upto the entry form deadline last month.

It is the SBP's job to nominate the team to represent the country to the games. The thing I am seeing right now, it seems certain administrative duties by the SBP is not being done. It seems the organization is not yet that organized in dealing with other organizations both internationally and locally. This is still birth pains of a new organization .... but they really need to shape up fast or the good plans of the SBP might implode with this kind of admin or paperwork mishups.

tanx sir nardy... :D...
 
Just want to share this post from gameface.ph:

GreenArrows said:
I just read this post of Tony Atayde at www.inboundpass.com. I am totally shocked. Read the complete article:

courtesy of www.inboundpass.com

Will they stay or go to the Universiade?
by Tony L. Atayde

The Philippine Collegiate Champions League was supposed to have been a success. It brought together all the major collegiate teams in the country. It had a terrific final game, pitting arch rivals La Salle versus Ateneo. Everyone thought that it was the year that would be the beginning of the concept of crowning a true National Champion.

Ateneo was of course heavily favored, after it steamrolled over the competition, on the way to the finals. Even with the absence of starters Chris Tiu and Ryan Buenafe, the Blue Eagles looked formidable. A finals win would have given them a sweep of the major collegiate basketball championships.

La Salle on the other hand, had a harder time. In the semis, they had to have a late game steal and conversion to get to the finals.

In the end La Salle overwhelmed the Blue Eagles and with that, was supposed to come a slew of prizes. There was a P500,000.00 cash prize and most importantly, the right to represent the country in the 2009 Universiade Games in Belgrade.

Now it seems that a lot of what was promised before the tournament may not have come to pass. First, the La Salle team who won the championship only received P400,000.00, of which P30,000.00 was in gift certificates and P370,000.00 was in cash. The reason allegedly given for the P100,000.00 shortfall, was that it was used as prize money for the individual awards.

As I was going over the many press releases for the Philippine Collegiate Champion’s League, I saw that the amount of P500,000.00 was repeatedly heralded as the winning prize money. If the reason given was that the shortfall was used for the prizes for the individual awards, then why trumpet a prize of a half million pesos for the winner in the first place. That is a 20% shortfall or about P5,000 per member of the winning team.

The biggest prize of the PCC tournament was that the winning team will represent the Philippines in the 2009 Universiade Games in Serbia. La Salle, the PCC champion, was supposed to be that team. However, now it looks like it may not happen after all.

First, it has been rumored that the UAAP will have its opening on July 11, 2009. The Universiade basketball competition ends on July 12, 2009. Allegedly, the UAAP Board has no intentions of moving the opening date to accommodate the entry of La Salle in the Universiade. This may be because the UAAP works on a tight calendar of year-round events in different sports.

If the UAAP schedule is the issue, then it would appear that the Samahan Basketbol ng Pilipinas, of which the UAAP is a member, did not coordinate the matter with the UAAP Board before making it a part of the PCC champion team’s prize.

There are even unverified reports that it was suggested that La Salle did not have to send its top players to the Unversiade or evem that a selection of players from different schools be created for this purpose. Is that fair? If La Salle would not send their best players, then the school would be accused of abandoning the country’s interest. Sending a selection of players from different schools would take away from the integrity of a commitment made.

Furthermore, a look at the website of the Belgrade Universiade 2009, http://www.ub2009.org/dokumenta/prijave/Pa...%20Schedule.pdf, one can see that the submission of the “Intention to Participate Form” was Oct. 1, 2008, which was way before the PCCL. Secondly, the deadline for submission of the “General Entry Form” was Jan. 1, 2009. Lastly, the deadline for what is called “Final Engagement Form” or the final list of athletes who will participate, was on February 1, 2009.

The PCC is a sanctioned tournament of the SBP. Has the SBP submitted these forms? Have they gathered all the documentations of the players? Has the SBP paid the participation fee? Lastly, did the Philippines even qualify or get invited to send a team to the Universiade? These questions have to be answered in the interest of transparency.

A commitment was made by the SBP, which is the highest basketball governing body in the Philippines. Participation in the 2009 Belgrade Universiade was used as a come-on for teams to join the league. Does the winner of the PCC now have to beg to get the prize that they won fair and square? Would the same thing have happened if a school other than La Salle would have won the PCC tournament? In the event that the SBP cannot send La Salle to the Unversiade for whatever reason, they should not send a team at all, for this will have the obvious appearance of discrimination. If SBO cannot fulfill their promise, then they should instead give La Salle the money that it allocated for the tournament and allow La Salle to decide which tournament it may choose to join.

In the event La Salle goes to the Universiade but fails to qualify for the later rounds, it will be forced to leave the games early, for them to be back in time for the UAAP opening. If that happens, expect the naysayers to climb on their soap boxes and chastise the Green Archers for abandoning the tournament.

If La Salle does not get the prize that it was promised, they will not be the loser here. It will be the PCC and the SBP who will lose. The PCC would lose all the headway they made in last year’s tournament while the SBP will lose its credibility in its ability to support good leagues such as the PCC. They will definitely not get the same response they did last year if they do not deliver on their promises.

Personally, I hope that the SBP clears this matter up and makes the necessary arrangements to deliver on their promise. The PCC is too good a tournament to be tarnished with a controversy such as this.


This shows how insincere both the PCC organizers and SBP's very own MVP were regarding DLSU's victory in the PCC in regards to the prizes PROMISED! Remember, the PCC was touted as the one tournament that would determine the ultimate COLLEGIATE CHAMPION IN THE PHILIPPINES. DLSU WON! AND IS RIGHTLY THE TOP COLLEGIATE TEAM THIS SCHOOL YEAR. But to entice participation of ALL the best collegiate teams in the country the following were PROMISED:

1. the PCC, through its head Mr. Rey Gamboa, pledged to give P500,000 to the WINNING school to be used in its athletics/scholarship programs,

2. SBP's prexy Manny V. Pangilinan PERSONALLY promised to give the WINNING team an additional P500,000 to be distributed among the team members. (Note: The difference of P5,000 per team member may not mean much to some of you,[size=10pt][/size] and maybe for MVP, it may just be what he uses to tip waiters, bus boys, etc, but for our players who come from less economically endowed families than those he supports in two schools, that amount means a whole lot.)

As you know, the main personalities here are not alumni nor supporters of DLSU. SBP's own MVP is the main financier of the two schools whom DLSU beat to win the Championship. Thus, we can surmise that when DLSU beat both his beloved San Beda and ADMU, they may have lost any appetite to keep their committments to the PHILIPPINE COLLEGIATE CHAMPIONS - DLSU! This was very evident in MVP's face in the pictures taken with DLSU at the awarding ceremonies. Even the representing of the Philippines in the Universaide was a come on which DLSU used as its main objective for joining this tournament as it would give our team world class competition in preparation for the UAAP wars. But it seems, there never was any REAL effort to ensure the PCC winner to join the Universaide games in Serbia this July.
WHAT DECEPTION! WHAT LIES!

Also, this clearly shows the biases of the SBP's heiracrhy when it comes to collegiate basketball. Due to its own head's fanatical support for his two schools, no other school can realistically expect fair treatment in any tournament where his two supported schools are involved. That is not the fault of the two schools involved, mind you.

I thought when the SBP was put together, Philippine basketball would get back on the right path. Now, with this experience, it seems that we may have changed the organization, but the same old sick practices in the past are being continued at the present. New dog, old habits. At least with the BAP, when they said they would send a team to an international tournament, for the most part they DID!. Here, it is obvious SBP is not making any earnest effort to send DLSU to the Universaide and. if they did, to make representations with the UAAP (one of the SBP's ORIGINAL members), regarding NOT the UAAP entire schedule, but the schedule of DLSU's first two games, AT MOST!

I am totally, disappointed with both the PCC tournament proponents and the SBP, specially since they seem to have shortchanged DLSU for winning the PCC. I wonder if these would have happend had San Beda or ADMU won? For our part, we supported the PCC all the way, even cajoling our community to watch the games. With all these happening to DLSU, I don't think we will support the PCC again, unless they make good their PROMISES.

Oh well, I guess that is the road the SBP chooses and wants to take. Sad...... truly sad.
 
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Now what's the pa-poging BS that SBP would release about this issue? I don't want to agree immediately with Tony Atayde (knowing his reputation) but if SBP would not apologize with the La Sallian community and the general public; forgive me but I might agree with what Mr Atayde has stated in his article in Inboundpass.com.
 
Like what b3lowzero had just mentioned, we should somewhat know more about the facts regarding this issue. I, for one, won't believe Tony Atayde ASAP (he's doing ONLINE sportswriting, whereas it'd be better if he would've included some interviews). I mean, ANYONE could create a write up ONLINE but facts are best delivered via interviews and first-hand conversations with the people involved.

Yes, I do believe that the highly-touted Universiade competition, or representation for that matter, should materialize but then again, why has anyone from DLSU appealed regarding this said matter? I mean, if this was really a magnanimous thing, I think Br. Bernie (Oca), the Coaching Staff, or even Br. Ceci for that matter, would've called the attention of the SBP regarding this incident. No press release, no notications. Nothing. So, how would we should act upon this? I mean, it's already the first of March. Can we STILL do something about it?
 
Just want to share this post from gameface.ph:

:D Another bullcrap post (or is raving?) by the infamous Greenarrows. In case you guys don't know, he owns/moderates/censors the whole DLSU Archerpride fora.

Noli Eala and MVP are Ateneans.
Tony Atayde and Greenarrows are La Sallites/La Sallians/whatever.

Go figure.
 
I saw that article on Gameface, but did not have a chance to answer it there. However, I do agree that I find it strange that this Atayde keep bringing about this ADMU vs. DLSU thing. I get the impression that the pric_ wants to keep people know that he's from DLSU, that they are the elite, and that they have a running feud with another elitist school like ADMU.

(Shakes head). I think its in bad taste, so I think they should stop this elitist crap. Not all rich people end up in ADMU or DLSU, you know.

I think he needs to be reminded that the SBP did appoint Franz Pumaren as the coach for the RP U18 NT, and that in gratitude, Franz's biggest accomplishment was to end up luring about half a dozen players from that team into DLSU.

But I also think that the SBP should answer Atayde's accussations, to keep such intrigue from building up and further harming the SBP.

Also, Isn't this the same, infamous that is on the UAAP board, or something? If so, no wonder. The guy has a reputation for being a jerk, and now probably a blowhard also.
 
i wonder why isn't any of our respected broadsheets has written something about this situation? Is there a news black out or something for us keep guessing what is happening with the incident or it maybe to covering up something.
 
i think for them its not a big deal... because there are hundreds of sports writer there but still no article for that issue... and a lots of sports programs in radio and tv but again they still dont have that issue... maybe it is just the La Salle students that are making this a big issue... they win because they are complete with jv casio and rico in their line up unlike admu who's captain chris tiu is spending his vacation during the tournament
 
they win because they are complete with jv casio and rico in their line up unlike admu who's captain chris tiu is spending his vacation during the tournament
uhm... a win's a win. ADMU accepted the defeat without telling people that Tiu and Buenafe didnt play. so i think this statement is a flamebait. no offense.
 
i think for them its not a big deal... because there are hundreds of sports writer there but still no article for that issue... and a lots of sports programs in radio and tv but again they still dont have that issue... maybe it is just the La Salle students that are making this a big issue... they win because they are complete with jv casio and rico in their line up unlike admu who's captain chris tiu is spending his vacation during the tournament

it seems you dont get the point of the article, SBP's promise wasn't fulfilled and now they're hiding like nothing happened. He's putting hype by adding MVP is die hard supporter of Admu and SBC. Now whats your opinion on SBP's unfulfilled promise?
 
it seems you dont get the point of the article, SBP's promise wasn't fulfilled and now they're hiding like nothing happened. He's putting hype by adding MVP is die hard supporter of Admu and SBC. Now whats your opinion on SBP's unfulfilled promise?

honestly, im not gonna bite on the MVP-is-a-die-hard-admu/sbc-fan hype. its just that, a hype. thing is, even if ADMU or SBC won the tourney, i bet this will still be the result. SBP is not yet organized and it seems to be weak in communication as a whole. they are trying hard, i can see that. but it seems like they need a lot more help both internally and externally. for whatever reason, SBP needs to tell its side. we may not like it but they still need to put it out in the open since they did say whoever won PCCL will represent the country. had they clearly state that they will see if the champ can be accomodated then it would have been simplier for their part.
 
Update

Update

it seems Mr. Atayde has got some hints from the SBP

The Green Mind
Monday, 2 March 2009 at 9:09 pm

Jasper,

I got an indirect response from the SBP. They said thay have the money but they are not the ones who are coordinating the participation. According to them it is the International University Sports Federation, of which the Philippines is not a member.

The question is, why promise something that they are not a part of?
 
honestly, im not gonna bite on the MVP-is-a-die-hard-admu/sbc-fan hype. its just that, a hype. thing is, even if ADMU or SBC won the tourney, i bet this will still be the result. SBP is not yet organized and it seems to be weak in communication as a whole. they are trying hard, i can see that. but it seems like they need a lot more help both internally and externally. for whatever reason, SBP needs to tell its side. we may not like it but they still need to put it out in the open since they did say whoever won PCCL will represent the country. had they clearly state that they will see if the champ can be accomodated then it would have been simplier for their part.

i agree with you ...... these are birth pains of a new organization. but even if it would be bad publicity ..... the public deserves to know the truth. As I said, if they made a mistake, let's be professional and admit it. But I know at the back of their minds they know the BAP is just waiting for this kind of boo-boos to happen
 
b3lowzero's prayers have been answered. Then again, it was all Atayde's hinting... Oh well...

Victim of broken promises

Last December, La Salle defied the odds in beating UAAP champion Ateneo, 71-62, to win the Philippine Collegiate Champions League (PCCL) title at the Araneta Coliseum. On the way to the finals, the Archers eliminated NCAA titleholder San Beda, 62-61.

For bagging the PCCL crown, the Archers were promised a P500,000 grant for scholarships and athletic facilities and the chance to represent the country at the World University Games in Belgrade, Serbia, on July 1-12. The rewards were confirmed by PCCL chairman Rey Gamboa in the league’s own website.

In a startling disclosure, La Salle insider Tony Atayde Sr. told The Star just the other day the team received only P400,000, including P25,000 in gift certificates for bakery items, instead of the P500,000 that was promised. Atayde claimed the reason for the deduction was most of the individual awards went to La Salle anyway. Franz Pumaren was named Best Coach and Jayvee Casio, MVP. Additionally, Casio and Rico Maierhofer were chosen for the Mythical First Team.

La Salle, however, didn’t complain. Despite the P100,000 deduction and the gift certificates, the cash prize was still substantial.

As for the opportunity to play in Belgrade, that remains up in the air.

There’s a meeting to decide the draws for the Universiade in Belgrade on March 19-21 and heads of delegations are supposed to attend. The deadline to submit general entry forms was last Jan. 1 and the final engagement forms last Feb. 1. The last day to confirm participation, by name, is June 1 so there’s still a chance for a late entry to be considered.

As of today, no one from La Salle has been asked to submit any application form. Apparently, nobody is coordinating the effort to send entry forms to the Universiade.

In the PCCL website, Gamboa mentioned the champion is recognized by FIBA and will be authorized to represent the country in FIBA-sanctioned competitions such as in the Universiade.

* * *

This year’s Universiade is the 25th edition of the event that is held every two years. The calendar lists 12 compulsory sports, namely, basketball, athletics, fencing, judo, swimming, football, volleyball, table tennis, tennis, water polo, diving and gymnastics. Eligible to compete are student athletes within the age range of 17 to 28. The athletes must be enrolled in school or out of school for no more than a year.

POC spokesman Joey Romasanta said he has no knowledge of any National Sports Association sending athletes to the Universiade. He mentioned that the POC is not involved with the World University Games.

The governing body for the Universiade is the Federation Internationale du Sport Universitaire (FISU) which was founded in 1949. The POC is not a FISU affiliate.

SBP executive director Noli Eala confirmed yesterday that Smart will finance La Salle’s trip to Serbia but said the basketball organization, like the POC, has nothing to do with FISU.

“Smart has committed to take care of the expenses,” said Eala. “The problem is we don’t know who’s in charge of contacting FISU. That’s not within the SBP’s authority.”

Eala referred The Star to a person supposedly with links to FISU but he was not available for comment at presstime.

* * *

Meanwhile, another problem of coordination has cropped up. The word is La Salle will play its first UAAP game against Ateneo on July 12.

“The last day of the Universiade is July 12 so how can La Salle be in two places at the same time?” wondered Atayde. “The UAAP host school is FEU and I don’t think they’ll agree to adjust the schedule for La Salle especially since the rumor is Chito Narvasa will be the commissioner again.”

Atayde said after last season’s controversies, he thought the UAAP Board would appoint a commissioner with no roots to any UAAP school.

Eala said the UAAP schedule is something the SBP has no control of. “That’s not an SBP matter,” he explained. “If the PCCL made a commitment to La Salle and the UAAP schedule is an obstacle to fulfilling the commitment, then maybe, the PCCL should take up the problem with the UAAP.”

Atayde said if La Salle leaves Belgrade early to arrive in Manila in time to play Ateneo, the Archers will surely be chastised for abandoning a commitment to the country. He’s right. A similar incident involving Pumaren happened last year.

“If La Salle does not get the prize that it was promised, they will not be the loser,” said Atayde. “It will be the PCCL and the SBP. The PCCL will lose all the headway they made in last year’s tournament while the SBP will lose credibility in its ability to support good leagues such as the PCCL. They will definitely not get the same response they did last year if they do not deliver on their promises.

“Personally, I hope the SBP clears the matter up and makes the necessary arrangements to deliver on the promise. The PCCL is too good a tournament to be tarnished with a controversy such as this.”

If only to preserve its image of integrity, the PCCL must do something to solve this problem immediately. It wouldn’t be proper for La Salle to make direct inquiries with the Universiade organizers because that would be self-serving. Besides, La Salle isn’t the country’s FISU affiliate.

Surely, the PCCL has links to FISU or its local affiliate – otherwise, it wouldn’t have offered the opportunity to play in the Universiade as a reward for the champion.

The clock is ticking and La Salle is running out of time to confirm its participation in Belgrade. Will the Archers be victims of another broken promise?

http://philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=445100&publicationSubCategoryId=69
 
I would not touch on the said amount of grant for scholarships and athletic facilities promised which was not given in full. I would like to emphasize is the promise made the champion of the PCC would represent the country at the World University Games in Belgrade, Serbia.

There would now be a pinpointing between the group of Rey Gamboa of the PCC and the SBP.

I am no fan of Mr Atayde but he is correct in saying that clearly nobody is coordinating the effort to send entry forms required to the Universiade organizers.

I was surprised in the statement of Noli Eala:

SBP executive director Noli Eala confirmed yesterday that Smart will finance La Salle’s trip to Serbia but said the basketball organization, like the POC, has nothing to do with FISU.

“Smart has committed to take care of the expenses,” said Eala. “The problem is we don’t know who’s in charge of contacting FISU. That’s not within the SBP’s authority.”

At the very first place before they should have said that the Serbian trip as an incentive, they should have known the rules and requirements. At least they should have read the forms to be submitted to know which organization is in charge of coordinating with the FISU.

It clearly states in the entry forms that in case of a non-affiliation to FISU, it should be the National Olympic Committee of similar national organization which groups together the students of that country.

Being the national governing body wherein the PCC and De La Salle are supposed to be under, the SBP should have worked on contacting the FISU and asked what should be done in order to facilitate the entry of Philippine entry in basketball. If they say they say that the PCC is a SBP sanctioned basketball tournament, it also comes with responsibilities. As I said before they battled the BAP for International Recognition, now that they have it, they should know their responsibilities and duties to their basketball constituents.

This just like the Sam Ekwe case in the last SEABA Champions Cup. The SBP people are not "YET" that knowledgeable of the intetnational rules and practices.

I am not saying that they are responsible but they must act on what they are which is the National Governing Body of Philippine Basketball. It is not only about forming a national team, there are several other things.
 
Letter of Rey Gamboa to gameface.ph:

gameface_one said:
Find below the response from Mr. Rey Gamboa:

For the School For Team Members/
Others
a) DLSU (Champion) P500,000.00 P400,000.00
b) ADMU 200,000.00 200,000.00
c) Letran 100,000.00 100,000.00
d) San Beda 50,000.00 50,000.00
e) Most Valuable Player
(J.V.Casio -DLSU) 25,000.00
f) Best Coach
(F. Pumaren –DLSU) 15,000.00
g) Mythical 5
P5,000.00 each 25,000.00
J.V.Casio –DLSU
R.Mierhofer – DLSU
R.Al-Husseini –ADMU
R.J.Jazul - Letran
N. Baclao - ADMU
h) Best Performing Referee
(D. Barbacena) 15,000.00
i) Individual Trophies/medals 20,000.00

Total Prize Awards P850,000.00 P850,000.00

Funding for Prize Awards:

a) FilOil Flying V P850,000.00
b) From M.V.Pangilinan Personal Funds 850,000.00
Total P1,700,000.00

Above is the biggest prize awards in Philippine Collegiate competitions.

2. Universiade Games. The games are organized and managed by FISU (Federation Internationale du Sport Universitaire). The basketball event is scheduled on July 1-12 2009 and is limited in number of team participants. Based on advice of organizers, one of the criteria for selection of participants is past Universiade participation and results.

Mr. Jose Capistrano, Jr., the local contact person of FISU and SBP Board member, has been in communication with organizers regarding Philippine participation. While no confirmation is on hand as of date (March 1), there is confidence that this will be clarified within the next few days.

As per Mr. Noli Eala, SBP Executive Director, SBP has obtained sponsorship commitment to fund the participation of the 2008 Philippine Collegiate Champion, De La Salle University Green Archers, in the Universiade Games.

Bro. Oca of DLSU has been properly appraised of above in earlier meetings and letters.

REYNALDO D. GAMBOA
Chairman
Philippine Collegiate Champions League
 
cant they just send the SBP team to the universidade if la salle has a sched conflict ?

The Universiade will run up to July 12 while the UAAP opening will be on July 11. It has said many times that the Developmental team will not participate in any international tournaments during the NCAA/UAAP calendar as most of its members will be playing for their respective NCAA/UAAP teams.
 
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