Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. IV

[IPC2]

FIBA protocol? Are we going to host the qualifiers?

I think referring to IATF protocol.

 

[Alex072]

I think referring to IATF protocol.

maybe they should ask for flight clearances from IATF first.

 

[sajubeads2]

FIBA protocol? Are we going to host the qualifiers?

YES IATF protocol prohibiting anyone older than 60 and below 21 going out of their home as these segment of population are cinsidered high risk individuals...

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Firstly, I would like to emphasize that I find the proposal to set-up the PBA bubble in Dubai to be impractical & a bit unfeasible. As some posters here pointed out, its a logistical nightmare.

A PBA bubble set-up within Luzon would still be the best option. And speaking of which, in order to have some synchronization with the National team training/preparation, I suggest that the Gilas training be put inside the PBA "bubble".

Guys like Dave Ildefonso, 1GDL, Javi Gomez-De Liano, Tungcab, Kobe Paras, Dwight Ramos, could join PBA special draftees Isaac Go, Bulanadi, Suerte, Mike & Matt Nieto for a full-time Gilas training/practices inside the PBA "bubble". Then the PBA regular Gilas members - Kiefer, Pogoy, Rosario, Erram, CJ Perez, Tratter, Justin Chua, Standhardinger, can attend Gilas practice once or twice a week. Then at around 12 days before the 2nd window, PBA will take a brief break so as to allow the PBA regulars to attend Gilas training on a full-time basis.

Given the situation that we are in right now, this for me would be the most practical, realistic & feasible approach which would be more acceptable to the PBA.

 

[IPC2]

Firstly, I would like to emphasize that I find the proposal to set-up the PBA bubble in Dubai to be impractical & a bit unfeasible. As some posters here pointed out, its a logistical nightmare.

A PBA bubble set-up within Luzon would still be the best option. And speaking of which, in order to have some synchronization with the National team training/preparation, I suggest that the Gilas training be put inside the PBA "bubble".

Guys like Dave Ildefonso, 1GDL, Javi Gomez-De Liano, Tungcab, Kobe Paras, Dwight Ramos, could join PBA special draftees Isaac Go, Bulanadi, Suerte, Mike & Matt Nieto for a full-time Gilas training/practices inside the PBA "bubble". Then the PBA regular Gilas members - Kiefer, Pogoy, Rosario, Erram, CJ Perez, Tratter, Justin Chua, Standhardinger, can attend Gilas practice once or twice a week. Then at around 12 days before the 2nd window, PBA will take a brief break so as to allow the PBA regulars to attend Gilas training on a full-time basis.

Given the situation that we are in right now, this for me would be the most practical, realistic & feasible approach which would be more acceptable to the PBA.

This could be a good compromise. The PBA should also schedule games which would not conflict with the training of the Gilas pool members. A group stage and shorter schedule for each team.

I don't think they will get a clearance.. It's too risky as of now.. I think JGDL is also under 21.. so cross mark narin sya.. Matt Nieto and Kiefer can handle that qualifiers..

Yeah, Juan will turn 21 only in November 19, days before the first window.

 

[sajubeads2]

Firstly, I would like to emphasize that I find the proposal to set-up the PBA bubble in Dubai to be impractical & a bit unfeasible. As some posters here pointed out, its a logistical nightmare.

A PBA bubble set-up within Luzon would still be the best option. And speaking of which, in order to have some synchronization with the National team training/preparation, I suggest that the Gilas training be put inside the PBA "bubble".

Guys like Dave Ildefonso, 1GDL, Javi Gomez-De Liano, Tungcab, Kobe Paras, Dwight Ramos, could join PBA special draftees Isaac Go, Bulanadi, Suerte, Mike & Matt Nieto for a full-time Gilas training/practices inside the PBA "bubble". Then the PBA regular Gilas members - Kiefer, Pogoy, Rosario, Erram, CJ Perez, Tratter, Justin Chua, Standhardinger, can attend Gilas practice once or twice a week. Then at around 12 days before the 2nd window, PBA will take a brief break so as to allow the PBA regulars to attend Gilas training on a full-time basis.

Given the situation that we are in right now, this for me would be the most practical, realistic & feasible approach which would be more acceptable to the PBA.

After the scathing remarks of Tab , I dont knownif wounds have healed...Anyway Tab should justbstay out of the background, let Dickel do the Coaching and preps..Thats the most logical scenario for Gilas preparation...If not ,ayaw ng PBA, it will be Cadets doing their own Bubble also , all Cadets plus maybe Slaughter for size and Filfors to fill in for need( Orme for Winger 3and D, or Mikee Williams for veteran PG presence)

 

[JAMSKIE2]

If we look at it, the 12-day full-time training of PBA regulars Kiefer, Pogoy, Rosario, Erram, CJ Perez, Tratter, Justin Chua, Standhardinger that I propose, may look short or "kulang", well it really is, but we have to take note that these players (with the exception of Standhardinger) were part of the Gilas pool/team in the 1st window. Meaning almost all them have already oriented themselves with Gilas interim coach Mark Dickel's system & have already played & practiced with the non-PBA Gilas players & the PBA special draftees. In short, meron nang na establish na chemistry yung mga players kahit papano from the 1st window. This is what I meant about gaining familiarity & cohesion thru accumulative training/practices/games. The training/practices/scrimmages & actual game that these current Gilas pool/team have done in the 1st window last February have relevance in the upcoming 2nd window as well as in the 3rd window & the 2021 FIBA Asia Cup itself, if ever we'll qualify. In fact the training/practices/scrimmages & actual games that the current Gilas pool/team would be doing & had done have relevance on the 2023 FIBA World Cup qualifiers & 2023 FIBA World Cup per se.

If I'm not mistaken, the Gilas pool trained for about 14 days for the 1st window, then you add the 12 days of training of PBA regulars (as I've proposed) for this 2nd window, so the PBA regulars will have about 25+ practice sessions with Gilas not counting yung once-a-week practice sessions nila while the PBA games are ongoing.

That is why whatever training/practices/scrimmages & tune-up games this current Gilas pool/team would be doing, kahit hindi matuloy yung 2nd window this November & would be postponed next year, may value pa rin yung training na yun. Hindi yun masasayang. That is why I don't buy the reason na "why train for the 2nd window when its not certain whether it will pushes thru as scheduled?" That's a lame excuse.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

BTW, I still see Thirdy Ravena joining the team/pool around 10 to 12 days before the 2nd window despite Thirdy playing in Japan. We have to take note that the Japanese league also takes a brief break of about 10 days to give way to its National team training. Meaning Thirdy may take a break from his Japanese pro team to join the National team training for the 2nd window. We also have to take note that Thirdy trained & played for Gilas in the 1st window so he also have some familiarity with coach Dickel's system & have established some chemistry with other Gilas teammates kahit papano.

 

[Alex072]

I don't think they will get a clearance.. It's too risky as of now.. I think JGDL is also under 21.. so cross mark narin sya.. Matt Nieto and Kiefer can handle that qualifiers..

afaik, according to iatf guidelines, the 21 and 60 ages are limited at home and are not allowed to stay outdoors unless there is an emergency,however those exchange students, OFW's, permanent residents of other countries/foreign nationals and those who are essential to travel are allowed to exit the Philippines if they have flights going out of the country provided that they will follow the guidelines of OFW returnees upon returning to the Philippines.To be safe i think they should get a clearances from the SBP and IATF (should be requests by SBP) and i think there would be no problems with it if . For me walang problema yung pag labas,ang problem yung pagbalik.trans: they would need to test and quarantine upon returning.

https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/downloads/2020/07jul/20200721-IATF-RESOLUTION-NO-57.pdf

 

[Silent Killer2]

BTW, I still see Thirdy Ravena joining the team/pool around 10 to 12 days before the 2nd window despite Thirdy playing in Japan. We have to take note that the Japanese league also takes a brief break of about 10 days to give way to its National team training. Meaning Thirdy may take a break from his Japanese pro team to join the National team training for the 2nd window. We also have to take note that Thirdy trained & played for Gilas in the 1st window so he also have some familiarity with coach Dickel's system & have established some chemistry with other Gilas teammates kahit papano.

You have that point.. I want also that way, even i'm the one who said that lame excuse.. What we need right now is SBP and IATF should have conversation.. I hope that IATF should have exemptions on our national athletes.. This is what i pointed.. Sobrang higpit but no alternative plans ang IATF eh.. That is what i pointed here.. With the current UST saga right now eh alanganin pa bigyan ng go-signal and SBP.. SBP don't want to have another issue again.. especially MVP and Duterte admin not in good terms.. and if Tab will conduct illegal training eh we will lose Tab.. I don't want that to be happend.. Masaya dyan sila Chua at CYG..

Firstly, I would like to emphasize that I find the proposal to set-up the PBA bubble in Dubai to be impractical & a bit unfeasible. As some posters here pointed out, its a logistical nightmare.

A PBA bubble set-up within Luzon would still be the best option. And speaking of which, in order to have some synchronization with the National team training/preparation, I suggest that the Gilas training be put inside the PBA "bubble".

Guys like Dave Ildefonso, 1GDL, Javi Gomez-De Liano, Tungcab, Kobe Paras, Dwight Ramos, could join PBA special draftees Isaac Go, Bulanadi, Suerte, Mike & Matt Nieto for a full-time Gilas training/practices inside the PBA "bubble". Then the PBA regular Gilas members - Kiefer, Pogoy, Rosario, Erram, CJ Perez, Tratter, Justin Chua, Standhardinger, can attend Gilas practice once or twice a week. Then at around 12 days before the 2nd window, PBA will take a brief break so as to allow the PBA regulars to attend Gilas training on a full-time basis.

Given the situation that we are in right now, this for me would be the most practical, realistic & feasible approach which would be more acceptable to the PBA.

Its obvious naman that SBP has a plan - that is to wait, wait & wait pa more...

...until November 21

So obviously its a difficult & complicated situation.

Maybe if the situation is difficult & complicated the best strategy is the "wait, wait & wait pa more" approach? Ganun siguro yun.

Seriously, I think if the situation is difficult & complicated, the more reason SBP should plan & act ASAP. Baka ang mangyari eh, pagdating ng November, saka pa lang magpaplano.

Parang nakikita ko na ang mangyayari for the 2nd window:


Gilas will cram (as usual) with only a few days of training/practices.

SBP will explain: "We were constrained with the restrictions becoz of the pandemic. We couldn't plan things becoz everything was uncertain"

SBP will seek help from the PBA (borrow players from PBA teams).

PBA will reply: "We can't lend some of our players (specially the non-MVP team players) for the National team. Hindi kasi kayo kaagad nag abiso eh. You should have named the PBA players you want to include in the Gilas pool much earlier so that we could have adjusted & arranged things".

I hope I'm wrong

This: https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/...n-cubao-clark-or-laguna-a795-20200825-fbfirst

This:https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/...rkouts-begin-a793-20200824?ref=feed_1_section

And this: https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/...sal-college-basketball-practice-return/188589

I ask: What about our National team preparation for the upcoming 2nd window of the 2021 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers? What are the SBP people doing? Meron na bang plano ang SBP regarding the Gilas team preparation/training amid this pandemic? How come SBP has been too silent regarding this matter?

While everyone (PBA & college teams) is talking about the possible "bubble" set-up, our Gilas National team training is "on the bubble". Mga SBP officials natin eh parang mga hipong tulog.

Let them prove me wrong! I'd like to be proven wrong on this.

They have no plan. That's basically it.

Remember, these are the same people who handled the AG 2018 basketball delegation where we basically didn't send a 3x3 team and only gave the NT a few weeks to prepare. We almost didn't send a team for goodness sake. It's 2019 WC preparations all over again.

Don't blame SBP for this one.. I think they will wait for FIBA announcement if the 2nd window will resume or not.. Baka kasi manyare ito gaya sa FIFA world cup qualifiers that most of the teams are on their preperation then suddenly declared it will re schedule next year.. I already post it in the other threads that FIBA will only do ala "bubble" set up because no way they will hold a home and away format due to COVID-19 crisis.. The biggest question here is most of the teams participating in the qualifiers are willing to sacrifice and let go their homecourt advantage and will do a "bubble" setting if resumes? Another question is if China will host "bubble" format eh other teams will accept? Because in FIFA most of the teams disagree of Chinese hosting of "bubble" set up in FIFA qualifiers.. that's why AFC decided to re-sched the qualifiers next year..

https://www.goal.com/en/news/indian...p-qualifiers-isl-i-/4v6kxr61mc0z1odl22ru8vuks

https://www.scmp.com/sport/football...-sees-afc-call-world-cup-qualifiers-rest-2020

Don't blame SBP for this one.. I think they will wait for FIBA announcement if the 2nd window will resume or not.. Baka kasi manyare ito gaya sa FIFA world cup qualifiers that most of the teams are on their preperation then suddenly declared it will re schedule next year.. I already post it in the other threads that FIBA will only do ala "bubble" set up because no way they will hold a home and away format due to COVID-19 crisis.. The biggest question here is most of the teams participating in the qualifiers are willing to sacrifice and let go their homecourt advantage and will do a "bubble" setting if resumes? Another question is if China will host "bubble" format eh other teams will accept? Because in FIFA most of the teams disagree of Chinese hosting of "bubble" set up in FIFA qualifiers.. that's why AFC decided to re-sched the qualifiers next year..

https://www.goal.com/en/news/indian-...z1odl22ru8vuks

https://www.scmp.com/sport/football/...iers-rest-2020

Let's say "bubble" format will be in place.. We will let go now of our homecourt advantage just to have bubble? And who will be the host of our group games? I'm assure that Philippines are not qualified on that list.. We are one of the most affected countries in COVID-19, Same as Indonesia.. The two other options are Thailand and South Korea.. I'm OK with Thailand, because they are least affected in 4 teams and have only low cases of virus.. But how about Indonesia? Their battle against Thailand is very crucial.. I'm assure they will not OK with that because They will lose their home court advantage against Thais if that happens.. If Korea will be host eh we are the ones that are disadvantage because we will lose our homecourt advantage over Korea.. That is very hard decsion for FIBA to make.. FIFA already experience this and they decided to cancel the remaining games this year and moved it next year.. Don't blame SBP for this.. I'm sure they are thinking this already.. Are we OK to lose our homecourt advantage just to do the Bubble set up? And mostly is other teams are also OK with this even they will ose also their precarious home advantage?

it makes sense.. why prepare if the situation is uncertain? are we sure there’s a 2nd window games in november? yes there’s schedule but will it push thru? there’s still games from 1st window that hasn’t play yet..

fiba bubble is a possibility for each group..

Possibly, but what if China will host? Are we deal with it? In FIFA, most of the countries disagree of China hosting of FIFA "bubble" plan due that they are no trust on China.. Another thing if per group is possibly "bubble" then can other countries will deal that they will lose their home court advantage? Example if Thailand will host the "bubble", Will Indonesia agree? They will lose their precarious homecourt advantage.. Their game vs Thailand is very crucial.. They don't want to lose their advantage to them.. Other groups too.. especially in West Asian groups.. Only Lebanon, Jordan and Iran are clear favorites there.. others are not.. They need those homecourt advantage atleast to have that chance to make it to the Asia cup..

@robert0326 & Silent Killer

I understand SBP's predicament that the 2nd window is uncertain. The thing is, in as much as there's no certainty that the 2nd window game would push thru, on the other side of the coin, there's also no certainty that the 2nd window games would be postponed or cancelled either. Its better for SBP to have a contingency plan.

Kumbaga sa kalamidad eh, its always better to prepare for a storm that won't come rather than be caught unprepared if it would eventually come.

The thing is, some Asian countries are already preparing for the 2nd window while some have already contingency plans that are in place. This despite the uncertainty of the 2nd window this November.

Whether the 2nd window would still be a home-and-away set up or the so called "bubble" set-up is beside the point. We must be prepared for that possibility. Unless of course SBP is thinking of just foregoing our campaign in the 2021 FIBA Asia Cup. Wala na tayong dapat pag-usapan doon.

let’s wait and see and have patience.. and some countries hasn’t start practice yet.. and i didn't read news that boomers nor tall blacks are preparing as things are uncertain. it’s fiba’s call actually..

maybe sbp is planning right now about the possibilities.. once they have plans then they can said it to the public..

Here you go

https://rappler.com/sports/gilas-pi...chobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1598691498

 

[IPC2]

Here you go

https://rappler.com/sports/gilas-pi...chobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1598691498

The PBA teams are already doing workouts. At least work on a plan, and hopefully, a pool.

And do those safety protocols as fast as possible. It's less than 3 months before the 2nd window.

 

[Alex072]

That's why much better not include 21 years old below players muna.. too much requirements will be needed for them.. they don't need it this qualifiers as of now.. kiefer and Matt nieto can handle this one first..

Kai could just meet them where the venue is,if it is overseas. The problem with that is they might have held practices here without him and he will have very limited practice time with the whole team. I just hope he's available and done with his G league responsibilities by that time.