Jordan NT Camp in Philippines

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Blowing the minnows out of the water in pool play, the China machine has always had that overkill mentality. Which isn't bad at all.

But then again, and you accurately called this before, things become mighty interesting once a favourite (or even a dark horse) starts hanging around with China during crucial games. Stress factors seem to transform that overkill mentality into something else less favourable to them.

We've seen Iran expose them. CT fascinated everyone in Manila two years back with the complete unmasking of the emperor's new clothes. Tab, no slouch in gamesmanship himself, will probe what's inside the collective head of China's youngsters. As for the 35-year old legs of veteran internationalist Liu Wei, they'll be put to the paces and tested on both ends of the floor, too.

If we had to distill the game plan into three words for each of our main foes, they'd be:

China: Attack the guards.

Iran: Gas the centre.

Great play of words, as usual. Yeah, I've always contended that China, over the years since they started dominating Asia starting 1975, has always been mentally vulnerable. Shades of Ivan Drago at Rocky 4 - the type that's always in control and making sure the opponent feels hapless. But when the opponent finds a way to keep the game close, just like Balboa sneaking a neat left that bloodied Drago's brows, then anyone has a shot against China.

This has been the strategy employed by South Korea - which is why they're probably the only team that has been able to give the Chinese some degree of opposition from 1975 to the early 2000s. When the Middle Eastern teams came in, they became even more vulnerable because of the length and bulk of their opponents. Unlike South Korea though, Iran is more used to seizing the lead from the getgo and keep up the pressure until the end. They can do this, even against China. Their struggles have been against co-Middle Eastern teams like Lebanon and Jordan who can match up with them in terms of size and physicality.

China disdains physicality and would prefer to keep things simple and precise. If their plan doesn't turn out the way they envisioned, they struggle. Likewise, one of China's Achilles' heel is the outside shot - something South Korea and Taiwan employ to beat them. This is also the same formula that we employed in 1986 when NCC beat China featuring Caidic and Samboy. China is / was dreaded for its matchup zone, where they protect the interior while also looking out at the team's best offensive player and shutting him down.

Which suffice to say - the correct formula indeed is to make the Chinese guards irrelevant and force them to defend while against Iran, tire out the man in the middle.

 

[engwan2]

From @NoliEala

Visited the Jordan-Barako tune up game and look how it ended. Such a waste. #freeforall

 

[JAMSKIE2]

From @NoliEala

Visited the Jordan-Barako tune up game and look how it ended. Such a waste. #freeforall

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So what was the score prior to the rumble?

 

[athangonzales2]

Charles Tiu ‏@charlestiu 7m7 minutes ago
Major fist fight between Barako and Jordan. Haha. Heard a player got knocked out. Ironic who he looks like

 

[engwan2]

Charles Tiu ‏@charlestiu 7m7 minutes ago
Major fist fight between Barako and Jordan. Haha. Heard a player got knocked out. Ironic who he looks like

Hmm.. doesn anybody on the Barako team look like a boxer / fighter?

I wonder why a lot of PBA pre-season / tune up games always end up in fights..

 

[luzvimindo2]

Hmm.. doesn anybody on the Barako team look like a boxer / fighter?

I wonder why a lot of PBA pre-season / tune up games always end up in fights..

buzzketball @dbuzzketball 6m6 minutes ago
forrester knocked down... team mgr rayboy kkocked down!

 

[judasmartel2]

Charles Tiu ‏@charlestiu 7m7 minutes ago
Major fist fight between Barako and Jordan. Haha. Heard a player got knocked out. Ironic who he looks like

BEAST MODE ON, B!TCH. Poor Jordan. Some of their players are probably in the hospital right now.

Where is our Jordanian friend here, btw? I don't see him anymore.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Boxing in a basketball court. PBA style..

 

[nardong_putik2]

BEAST MODE ON, B!TCH. Poor Jordan. Some of their players are probably in the hospital right now.

Where is our Jordanian friend here, btw? I don't see him anymore.

No its the other way around.
Barako Bull players in the hospital. he he he

 

[OSHAFA2]

The game stopped with 5 minutes left, we were leading 82-69.

Mohammad Shaher responded to the hits of Barako Player and sent him along with 2 of the team officials to the hospital.

P.S Barako should have scouted Shaher so they know that missing with him is like playing with fire!

 

[OSHAFA2]

BEAST MODE ON, B!TCH. Poor Jordan. Some of their players are probably in the hospital right now.

Where is our Jordanian friend here, btw? I don't see him anymore.

I think you don't know what does Nashama mean

it's the other way around my friend!

This what happens when anybody misses with us.

 

[judasmartel2]

OMG he's back!

Kidding aside, I just wish the Jordan NT the best. Have fun getting out of the Bracket of Death, man.

 

[toikins2]

The game stopped with 5 minutes left, we were leading 82-69.

Mohammad Shaher responded to the hits of Barako Player and sent him along with 2 of the team officials to the hospital.

P.S Barako should have scouted Shaher so they know that missing with him is like playing with fire!

The one who got knocked out is James Forrester. He is not the one who had prior heated exchange with Mohammad Shaher.
Shaher traded 'hits' with a second round pick(incoming rookie) and not Forrester.
Forrester and the Barako bull manager went to shaher's face aggressively for hitting their teammate and your player, Shaher, threw punches like a crazy man. Is he on illegal drugs?
Why is a 6'9/6'10 guy scared of a 5'10 manager and a 6'1 guard?
Barako has no bigman in their line up, btw.

iirc, saher was bouncing off a raw and effortless Fajardo in 2013.

 

[OSHAFA2]

Guys to be clear.. we are not happy with Shaher's attitude in this game or even in the other games but still Barako players started the fight so they should deal with it....

Anyhow the camp is over, i would like to thank everybody who gave some poisitve updates regarding the games and also thank the PBA teams who very compeitive games... this was really useful for our NT.

 

[yapster2]

Here is the thing, if it's true that one or two people were knocked out with a punch. it really doesn't matter who started the fight. A punch is still punishable by law. One can claim self defense if his safety was at risk. but a under 6 foot manager or player. really? does it warrant a punch strong enough to knock a person out? I would't be surprise if who ever trew that punch is stopped at the airport ( seriously) and arrested.

Wow! Hold your horses! Arrested?! We are friendly hosts, aren't we? So, when someone punch you, as a visitor you have no right to defense yourself?! First of all, Barako played very dirty! Sorry, but very dirty. Miranda punched Shaher 2 times with a fist and with a head and than Shaher fought back. Anyone from PBA wouldn't do the same?! While the bench from Jordan were stopping the fight Koy Banal, Forrester and team manager of Barako were doing the opposite?! Besides, Shaher PUSHED the guys who were attacking him.
So please, don't go that far with your comment. This was a shame.

 

[analyzed2]

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Like i said i wasn't there and i don't know the facts, that's why i said if it is true that the punch was uneccessary (not self defense) then yes like any country one can be questioned by authorties, cause that's still constitutes as a physical attack. But thanks for clarrifying as you seem to have been there. This is probably the reason why no charges were made becuase really like any civil soceity if a punch was thrown unecessary causing someone to get knockout and brought to the hospital, there are natural legal consequences, apperently this was not the case here as per your account

Here is an example of a recent legal charge made for physical attack: http://www.interaksyon.com/interakt...-ordered-them-to-tackle-american-football-ref

 

[paulezra2]

michael miranda is one hell of a dirty player. Played for the stags and lately cebuana in the dleague. Incurred a lot of flagrant fouls during his playing career in the ncaa( baste)and Dleague. One time, he stepped on clark bautista while the latter was on the floor. This prompted analyst Peter martin to comment.."mga nanonood sa tv wag nio gayahin yun..masama yun." Yeah, basketball is a physical game..normal ang tirahan during the course of a game.pero yung unang sumuntok pikon. In this case, miranda threw the first punch. Damn, im sure we are all taught by our elders to stay cool. However, once a punch is thrown at you. Your first instinct is to defend yourself. Ive been in a free for all a couple of times, when it goes off its total chaos especially when the crowd get involved. When a game turns ugly , the culprit is always on the game officials. Tamad kasi mga refs, ayaw pumito worse sinasadya pa. kaya madalas may away pag tune up games. For sure, barako games will be more physical with miranda on their roster.

 

[mark222]

Wow! Hold your horses! Arrested?! We are friendly hosts, aren't we? So, when someone punch you, as a visitor you have no right to defense yourself?! First of all, Barako played very dirty! Sorry, but very dirty. Miranda punched Shaher 2 times with a fist and with a head and than Shaher fought back. Anyone from PBA wouldn't do the same?! While the bench from Jordan were stopping the fight Koy Banal, Forrester and team manager of Barako were doing the opposite?! Besides, Shaher PUSHED the guys who were attacking him.
So please, don't go that far with your comment. This was a shame.

this the risk most of the members are facing. most of our comments are based on personal opinions and imagination. mga hinala.

here's my take. we should have been a respectful host. yes, the guests were aware of what awaits them, that our brand of play is highly physical. we should stick to that. physicality during the game. but during deadball situations is something else. even during positioning waiting for the ball to be in play. wasnt toroman a part of barako team before? di na natin isinaalang alang yun. friendly games can physical but still should be in the context of being friendly.

 

[ARMIR2]

im sorry for my ignorance, do you really understand basketball? LOL!!!!! when is playing physical isnt allowed? if they play you physical then play physical too but do not play dirty or resort to any violence if you dont like it.

you should have been thankful that we take your team seriously actually is a good workout for you it benefited your team, imagine if we just play you lightly. you should have not gone here if youre afraid to get injuries because we dont play like a bunch of sissies.

I don't know if the NT will be known in FIBA as a physical team then there will be a lot of fouls called just because the NT is well known to get too physical for the refs taste.What if the other teams become physical and a couple of guards goes down,they will test it if you can dish it then you can take it.

 

[ARMIR2]

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Like i said i wasn't there and i don't know the facts, that's why i said if it is true that the punch was uneccessary (not self defense) then yes like any country one can be questioned by authorties, cause that's still constitutes as a physical attack. But thanks for clarrifying as you seem to have been there. This is probably the reason why no charges were made becuase really like any civil soceity if a punch was thrown unecessary causing someone to get knockout and brought to the hospital, there are natural legal consequences, apperently this was not the case here as per your account

Here is an example of a recent legal charge made for physical attack: http://www.interaksyon.com/interakt...-ordered-them-to-tackle-american-football-ref

Here's that play https://youtu.be/9T9ZmkNxzhY if you're wondering why one of the refs in the middle that's where he's supposed to be,to see if any illegal movement on the backfield,holding,facemask.I've played the position of safety and the refs are considerd part of the game so you make an adjustment to pick which hole the Running Back is coming out either the A,B,or C gap and try to plug it.That's a deliberate hit with a blessing of one of the assistant coaches.In the NFL you touch a ref you're thrown out the rest of the game.