Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[C2Hamm2]

CTC get Japeth, Troy in Gilas.. it is also a band aid solution.. right? Hodge might have more contribution if he will inserted.. we need like him in a Gilas set up.. he's not just for rebounds, he can defend in every position, he solidified the mantra "PUSO" plays in every ball possession.. he's also good in their EASL stint with meralco.. so why not try? CTC priorities PBA players for Gilas then I hope they give hodge a shot.. he will be the preview of what Mike Philips will give to Gilas once he will be eligible.. An Energizer... We benefit a lot of what Pingris and Abueva (in 2015) brings for Gilas in the past.. after that we badly missed those rare kind of players that give us energy on the court.. Honestly, the current roster of Gilas are most non chalant type (in Tagalog pa conyo).. we don't have player/s who can go all out every possession.. If the lead is already huge for opponents then we tender to surrender early even it's not..

who is he replacing in Gilas? currently, our PF is JB and/Japeth with Troy if CTC plays 2 of either Kai, JMK, or AJ then PF really is loaded.. If Boatwright becomes the new NP, then he starts beside Kai, he can play 3, but that even eats more PT from younger players. Are we looking at Hodge as PF off the bench? me thinks that should be Carl instead. and KQ should be the off the bench wing. if Hodge is only there if someone is not available, then I think its all good. i would rather have someone who we could use long term, but whatever works and whoever is available I guess..

 

[IPC2]

If Calvin Oftana doesn't find his shooting in the coming 2025 Asia Cup, that would be very very frustrating. He's shooting like a prime Allan Caidic with TnT in the PBA yet he couldn't carryover even a sprinkle of that shooting with Gilas in the FIBA game. And Gilas badly needs his shooting.

like i said before.. we should not get deceived on pba players performance that makes people think it will translate to NT..
we saw it one too many times and people still fall from it..

To be fair to Oftana, though, he's defended well in FIBA. And defense is important in a wing.

But, I agree with sir SK's general point. PBA stars have underperformed for Gilas in FIBA. Gary David, Pogoy, Troy, and even guys like Wright.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

like i said before.. we should not get deceived on pba players performance that makes people think it will translate to NT..

we saw it one too many times and people still fall from it..

And there are many PBA stars/superstars who excelled as national team players as well.

That's why we need to test them in the FIBA or international game atmosphere becoz we'll never know who will click & who will suck.

I remember, many doubt about Paul Lee & Calvin Abueva's serviceability with Gilas in the FIBA game. Yet when they played in the national team in FIBA competitions, they played beyond expectation.

 

[Silent Killer2]

And there are many PBA stars/superstars who excelled as national team players as well.

That's why we need to test them in the FIBA or international game atmosphere becoz we'll never know who will click & who will suck.

I remember, many doubt about Paul Lee & Calvin Abueva's serviceability with Gilas in the FIBA game. Yet when they played in the national team in FIBA competitions, they played beyond expectation.

some will, some don’t

that’s why people should tone down a bit on saying a certain player will be good for NT..

A pba guy can be a good shooter in PBA but in fiba the pba player has ben simmons 3 pt fg %

 

[Silent Killer2]

the question should be why certain players don’t click in fiba? oftana, david, troy, arwind santos, pogoy?

why some of our shooters struggle in FIBA? is it because how defense plays? the height of defenders challenging the shooters in pba to fiba?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

the question should be why certain players don’t click in fiba? oftana, david, troy, arwind santos, pogoy?

why some of our shooters struggle in FIBA? is it because how defense plays? the height of defenders challenging the shooters in pba to fiba?

Or does coaching somewhat play a role in this aspect? For instance, why did Matt Wright struggle with his shooting playing for Gilas (under coach Chot) while Jordan Heading did shoot well in Gilas uniform (under coach Tab)? Nagkataon lang ba?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

some will, some don’t

that’s why people should tone down a bit on saying a certain player will be good for NT..

A pba guy can be a good shooter in PBA but in fiba the pba player has ben simmons 3 pt fg %

Well, there's no harm in saying like "Player A is playing well in his PBA team that he may be a good national team prospect. But he has to be tested first in FIBA game environment."

 

[CoJ2]

This debate Reminds me of the 2019 fiba window (post australia brawl) with yeng and quinito claiming that sbp-pba assembled the best philippine mbnt

then they lost to Kazakhstan and needed a SKor win for us to qualify for the world cup

 

[Silent Killer2]

Well, there's no harm in saying like "Player A is playing well in his PBA team that he may be a good national team prospect. But he has to be tested first in FIBA game environment."

then goes back to question

when we’ll have a team b? sea games is the perfect avenue and jones cup.. those you mentioned “u25” players should have experience playing internationally prior to pba and not during when they’re already pro..

the trans tasman series you posted, most of them are young players.. boomers has half of players below u23.. tall blacks has some players below u23. it even has 18 and 17 year olds

pocket tournaments like this is where we can see if certain stockton, oftana, winston are good in fiba ball or not.. hope in the future we normalize judging players if certain player fits in fiba ball prior to pro and not when they’re already seasoned vets already in pba..

 

[JAMSKIE2]

then goes back to question

when we’ll have a team b? sea games is the perfect avenue and jones cup.. those you mentioned “u25” players should have experience playing internationally prior to pba and not during when they’re already pro..

the trans tasman series you posted, most of them are young players.. boomers has half of players below u23.. tall blacks has some players below u23. it even has 18 and 17 year olds

pocket tournaments like this is where we can see if certain stockton, oftana, winston are good in fiba ball or not.. hope in the future we normalize judging players if certain player fits in fiba ball prior to pro and not when they’re already seasoned vets already in pba..

With coach Tim's refusal to expand his current Gilas team/pool, the more reason Philippine basketball should have a national team-B or cadet/developmental nat'l. team. A cadet/developmental national team can benefit Philippine basketball in 2 ways. One is that, it serves as a tryout which can determine who among our young players are serviceable in the national team & who aren't. Whose brand of game suits the FIBA game & whose brand of game doesn't. And No.2 is that, it serves as a training for our young players to get accustomed to the FIBA & international game atmosphere which we all know are quite different from the brand of game in the PBA & our collegiate leagues.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

If coach Tim doesn't expand his pool & we won't have a developmental/cadet/team-B national team, then guys like Schonny Winston, Rhenz Abando, Jordan Heading, Jonel Policarpio, Cyrus Torres, CJ Cansino, Bryan Santos, may probably be playing for Gilas when they are already in their late 20's or early 30's. On the other hand, national team players of China, korea, Japan, Taiwan, NZ, Iran, Lebanon, usually start playing for their respective national teams at their early 20's or mid-20's.

 

[live_evil2]

the answer to why some PBA players fail in FIBA boils down to two things. one is constant exposure to superior opposition and two is attitude, Paul Lee and Abueva have the angas factor so they do not fear anyone.

 

[ARMIR2]

If coach Tim doesn't expand his pool & we won't have a developmental/cadet/team-B national team, then guys like Schonny Winston, Rhenz Abando, Jordan Heading, Jonel Policarpio, Cyrus Torres, CJ Cansino, Bryan Santos, may probably be playing for Gilas when they are already in their late 20's or early 30's. On the other hand, national team players of China, korea, Japan, Taiwan, NZ, Iran, Lebanon, usually start playing for their respective national teams at their early 20's or mid-20's.

He's earning his title as "The Most Stubborn Coach",back by a GM that just hates and holds grudges on everybody outside their circle.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Now that Hodge & Chris Banchero have been declared by FIBA as Filipino local players after at least 10 yrs of residency in the Phi., should we now be that much optimistic that Ange Kouame will also be declared by FIBA as a Filipino local player by next year?

 

[Metta2]

It would be good if someone can make a chart on how many years until elite filfors make that 10-year mark. Guys like...Lucero, Ballungay, Barefield, etc.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Now that Hodge & Chris Banchero have been declared by FIBA as Filipino local players after at least 10 yrs of residency in the Phi., should we now be that much optimistic that Ange Kouame will also be declared by FIBA as a Filipino local player by next year?

Sir Jams,
cc: Sir Mets

if the basis is 10 years.

then 2027 is the appropriate time and date to facilitate his exemption.

he will be exactly 30 yrs. old at that time. born Dec. 15, 1997

but first thing first the PBA should allow AK34 to join this year's PBA draft

to strengthen even more his case at FIBA much more if he will show some proof that

he already possess a voter's registration number and voted for local and national election respectively.

as for Zavier Lucero I think before he suited in S84 in 2022 as a Master's degree student

he studied and obtained his International Business and Logistics at UP in 2021 at age 21

so if ever 2031 or early 2032 is the logical year for his exemption so he will be 30 yrs. old at that time

as for Kai Ballungay I think 2021 when he is still completing his 1 year residency at Ateneo should be the jump point

born Nov. 14, 2001, it means 2031 at the age of 30 he will be eligible to play in a FIBA sanctioned tourney as a local

as for 28 yr. old Sedrick Barefield, I think 2024 is a logical time and date to start the jump point

even though he applied for the PBA draft in 2022 but unfortunately he miss the bus because he hasn't transmitted his ph passport on time

instead played for the Taiwan League, BAD for EASL and BAL in Africa from 2022 to mid 2023

but if he produce some pertinent documents like residential address, electrical and water bill during that period.

I think that would be a good case buildup to FIBA as far as establishing his domestic presence moving forward.

anyway, so if 2024 it means he could possibly granted an exemption on 2034 when he is already 38 yrs. old

I think for now if the intention is to represent Gilas for future tournaments.

playing for non FIBA sanctioned tourney like SEAG 2027, 2029, 2031, 2033 and AG 2026, 2030, 2034 is the best option for those ineligibles mentioned

assuming those sports conclave will implement OCA rules instead.

oh btw. Sedrick's sister Tia Barefield, the 5'6 PG will now play for California State Univ. Stanislau a D2 public university and the alma mater of Kai Balunggay.

 

[CoJ2]

Would be mind boggling if FIBA grants Ange local exemption noting that his own federation doesnt even consider him as a local.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Would be mind boggling if FIBA grants Ange local exemption noting that his own federation doesnt even consider him as a local.

This. Zero chance he gets it unless the PBA let's him play as a local.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

who is he replacing in Gilas? currently, our PF is JB and/Japeth with Troy if CTC plays 2 of either Kai, JMK, or AJ then PF really is loaded.. If Boatwright becomes the new NP, then he starts beside Kai, he can play 3, but that even eats more PT from younger players. Are we looking at Hodge as PF off the bench? me thinks that should be Carl instead. and KQ should be the off the bench wing. if Hodge is only there if someone is not available, then I think its all good. i would rather have someone who we could use long term, but whatever works and whoever is available I guess..

Amos or Troy...

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Sir CoJ,
cc: Sir weird, Sir Giannis,

that is why I keep on borrowing Sir Giannis idea and added some ideas of mine as well.

those PBA Grandpas should really update that particular provision in the league's by-laws on eligibility to allow AK34 to submit his documents for the PBA draft

amongst the current NP's and as an avid Gilas fanboy, I will not getting tired of repeating this until kingdom come.

compared to MD, AB, JB and BB, AK34 is literally a product of Philippine education and basketball development program and that's the essence and wisdom of that FIBA's rule on exemption