Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy2]

everyone should be replaceable, even JB. you have a set of core players but team manager and coaching staff should have a plan already if someone is not available regardless of reason.
its as if we look at players not as humans. thy can get injured, they would need time with their families, they may get banned(happened already), or just maybe need some rest. its good if players still show up if they face one of these, but we should not expect it. let alone not have plan if this arise.
what i would like to see, is if CTC shows up with new plays to maximise the rest of the roster. as is, some players look quite irreplaceable because of how the offense flows and his defence that a lot of times, is putting Newsome or japeth on a particular player to disrupt the opponent. its all and good if they area available. pero yun nga, what if they are not or opponent reads this thru.
i think CTC is creative enough to make new plays but he is correct, he needs to have more practice with his team.

No chance JB or Iskati is getting replaced or benched in favor of another non Ginebra player. Unless they're really injured or unavailable.

Anyway I feel like we're almost waving a white flag already if Cone's boys aren't available.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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[JAMSKIE2]

in the case of Gilas, half the team is not available to start practice earlier. hehe, joking aside, I sure hope they come up with something to add some more practice time together.i dont know if Kai and JB will play. but if not, then practice is even more important to mix in whoever will take their places in the team.

Yeah. If Gilas won't have both Kai & Brownlee in the Asia Cup, then the more that Gilas should be practicing. Kai & JB's absence would leave a huge huge void to the team. I think Kai has only around 10% to 15% chance of playing in the Asia Cup while JB has a much better chance.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Yeah. If Gilas won't have both Kai & Brownlee in the Asia Cup, then the more that Gilas should be practicing. Kai & JB's absence would leave a huge huge void to the team. I think Kai has only around 10% to 15% chance of playing in the Asia Cup while JB has a much better chance.

Kai has 0% chance of playing in Asia cup. we’re talking about ACL injury.. got operated last feb so the next time we’ll see kai wearing gilas jersey is next year fiba window games around feb. we’ll be lucky if he’s healthy around november this year

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Guys, do U think if KQ has the athleticism of a Kobe Paras he will have at least a 50% chance of playing in the NBA?

Or do U think KQ still needs to significantly improve his handles?

 

[Dotch2]

Guys, do U think if KQ has the athleticism of a Kobe Paras he will have at least a 50% chance of playing in the NBA?

Or do U think KQ still needs to significantly improve his handles?

IMO , neither conditions will improve his chances to get a roster spot in an NBA Team.

Now, if you add 4 more inches to KQ's KBL measured height of 6'4 1/2 , but the skills and athletic abilities remain the same, his chances will improve.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

IMO , neither conditions will improve his chances to get a roster spot in an NBA Team.

Now, if you add 4 more inches to KQ's KBL measured height of 6'4 1/2 , but the skills and athletic abilities remain the same, his chances will improve.

Ah OK. This gives me the impression that U think KQ's position if he makes it to the NBA is the 4 spot & not the 3 spot.

 

[C2Hamm2]

Ah OK. This gives me the impression that U think KQ's position if he makes it to the NBA is the 4 spot & not the 3 spot.

you said KQ as is but with Koko Paras' athleticism. IMO, Tamayo right now with Paras' athleticism is closer to NBA SF than KQ if he had Paras' athleticism. and the reason to that is how they play. KQ has good vision of the court, but other than that, I got Carl ahead of him in almost everything else. in defense no question, Carl defends players bigger than him and have always tried to stick with quicker players. additional athleticism helps that by leaps and bounds.
in offense, he always had a shot outside that is continuing to get more consistent. he had inside moves since HS but now has really good footwork to go with it. he was never the 1st option in offense, so he wont be expected to go 1 on1 to attack defenses, that added athleticism will make what he is good at better, which is cutting inside from different angles.

KQ uses his shooting touch and his passing for most of the time. he can do everything else Carl can as I mentioned above, but he simply doesnt use those as often as hitting 3s and doing risky passing. an added athleticism doesnt really help in these areas he is good at. that being said, if he changes how he plays to maximise his new capability, that will change a lot. but if we will stick with your parameter of KQ as is but with added athleticism, nope, he wont be NBA level.

 

[Metta2]

Just for fun...I think KQ with the "useful" athleticism of Norwood can be interesting. Athleticism that translates into good D and rebounding instead of the Kobe P kind (and Lopez) which lacks lateral speed, agility and body control.

Norwood with a 6'10 wingspan, shooting and passing is nice. It's like a baby Batum or Diaw.

 

[IPC2]

Wuth the way tomayo and kq performing, brownlee could take abackseat for now....we might go all local..

We will be fed to the lions if we go local. Both NZ & the much improved Chinese Taipei team are very very tough opponents.

Everybody is a tough opponent actually - China, Lebanon, Jordan, Japan, Korea, CT, NZ & of course Australia. I hate to say this but I don't think our current Gilas team is capable of beating any of these teams if we go for a all-local line-up with coach Tim calling the shots. We have become so dependent on go-to-guy naturalized players like JB & Clarkson in the last several years that our locals can't do the job without the help of a naturalized player.

The more cone should trust other players to do scoring.. we have players that can score..

Honestly, I think it's way past time we rely less on the NP to carry the scoring load too much.​​ Let the locals share the load so that we can rely on our NP to do other things like defend (e.g. Douthit, Ange), or be a utility player (ala RHJ, although he can be a go-to guy as well).

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Honestly, I think it's way past time we rely less on the NP to carry the scoring load too much.​​ Let the locals share the load so that we can rely on our NP to do other things like defend (e.g. Douthit, Ange), or be a utility player (ala RHJ, although he can be a go-to guy as well).

The way I see it, during the times that our naturalized player is a big guy, as in the case of Marcus Douthit or Dray Blatche, we had better quality guards & wingmen - Castro, Alapag, Tenorio, Terrence Romeo, Jeff Chan, Paul Lee. While those players are short in terms of height (especially Alapag, Castro & Tenorio), I think in terms of skills (especially on offense), they were way better than Iskati, CJ Perez & Newsome. For instance, in terms of 3-pt. shooting, the likes of Alapag, Jeff Chan, Paul Lee, Castro, will easily outshoot the likes of Iskati, Perez & Newsome. Buti nalang that this current Gilas has a Dwight Ramos in tow. Dwight is obviously the current team's best wingman in terms of both offense & defense.

While current Gilas height in the guard & wing positions has really improved from our past iterations of Gilas, I think in terms of talent, the batch of Alapag, Castro, Chan & company is better.

 

[IPC2]

The way I see it, during the times that our naturalized player is a big guy, as in the case of Marcus Douthit or Dray Blatche, we had better quality guards & wingmen - Castro, Alapag, Tenorio, Terrence Romeo, Jeff Chan, Paul Lee. While those players are short in terms of height (especially Alapag, Castro & Tenorio), I think in terms of skills (especially on offense), they were way better than Iskati, CJ Perez & Newsome. For instance, in terms of 3-pt. shooting, the likes of Alapag, Jeff Chan, Paul Lee, Castro, will easily outshoot the likes of Iskati, Perez & Newsome. Buti nalang that this current Gilas has a Dwight Ramos in tow. Dwight is obviously the current team's best wingman in terms of both offense & defense.

While current Gilas height in the guard & wing positions has really improved from our past iterations of Gilas, I think in terms of talent, the batch of Alapag, Castro, Chan & company is better.

I think what we need from our wings now is the size of Gabe and Dwight, along with their defensive ability. Add three-point shooting. Good-sized 3&D wings.

As for shooting, it can come anywhere, not just the perimeter positions.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

if SBP plays their card right our concern on our PG, SG and SF will be address esp. in the next itinerary of Gilas

for now, we may not yet push the panic button on PF and C position because we still had Kai and AJ despite them being glassy.

with the eventual entry of QMB, the exemption of AK34, the on-going improvement Geo Chiu at the B. League and I think barring any major injury, JMF can be serviceable until 2030 Asian Games.

our 5 position is still soild against the Asian and mid-tier level even against AUS supposed Team B and NZL's Team A and B.

as for PF spot, Carl Tamayo who may eventually slide to SF thanks to his experience in KBL and the inevitable entry of Justine Baltazar who is now well adjusted to the PBA brand of play,

also with the possible inclusion of Mike Philips, Keith Datu, Kai Ballungay, Zav Lucero, James Laput, Christian David iwherein f the trajectory of their respective stars align, barring any major injuries and more experience in the professional level getting an exemption for those young players is just a matter of time.

6'8 Kymani Ladi the one and done of ADMU is long and very promising

indeed, in terms of available talent in that position, we are not lacking on that spot.

now as we all know the most challenging and intriguing spot as far as the future Mens Gilas backcourt are concern is the PG, SG and the SF spot.

good thing Caellum Harris and Francis Lopez are both eligible and they only need the experience against grown-up and experience players to unlock those potentials

playing the role of a utility guys in the SF are the ideal and initial pathway for now as the pathway to become a full fledge 2-way players in the near future.

unfortunately, based on my own personal observation, except for Kiefer Alas and Andy Gemao no local born kids had a strong potential to be elevated in the Senior level as of the moment.

Jared Bahay of ADMU with CTB's guidance and UST's Forthsky Padrigao(ski) IBN's favorite poster boy are not yet on that level as per our expectation.

as for San Beda's Cali kid 6'3 PG/SG Agjanti Miller that lad are now fully adjusted to the Philippine brand of play but unfortunately he is still ineligible.

and speaking of ineligible, there's an abundant of talents that I think could easily make an immediate impact in the Senior level

JJ Mandaquit, Jaland Lowe, Terrence Gil, Jr., Angelino Marks, Vyc Miller and Dylan Harper are matured players despite their age and I think can handle themselves even against the likes of Ael Arakji, the Yuki's, Patty Mills, Matthew Dellavedova and the Webster bros. at least here in the Asia-Oceania Zone.

not counting Remy Martin if it is true that he had reach out on some people from SBP during his short visit here last month for his charity works, who knows.

as per Sir Paoylo, he is still an outsider just like Mikey Williams, also I want to add Jarod Lucas, Ron Harper Jr., the Pierre-Luis bros., Brandon Wade on this category.

at least Sedrick Barefield are now considered as an insider.

as for the much younger guys like Kainoa Patton, James Sanderson, Tyler Bailey, Chase Robertson, Brian Stevenson who are already eligible to play in a FIBA sanctioned tourney

we could possibly see the true potentials of those kids in 2029 at least hoping they could reach even the G-League level.

oh man!! it seems overwhelming..

the continuing drama of Philippine basketball

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I think what we need from our wings now is the size of Gabe and Dwight, along with their defensive ability. Add three-point shooting. Good-sized 3&D wings.

As for shooting, it can come anywhere, not just the perimeter positions.

Well, in terms of good size wings, we have Dwight, Oftana & KQ, although I believe Oftana & KQ aren't that versatile enough to play both the 2 & 3 spots. I feel KQ & Oftana are natural small forwards. Dwight on the other hand is versatile enough to play both the 2 & 3 spots.

While Oftana's defense is decent (though not in the level of a Gabe Norwood), he has struggled to carryover his shooting (from his PBA game) to the FIBA game. KQ on the other hand hasn't earned coach Tim's confidence that he hardly gets ample playing time in the Gilas team's crucial games (like Gilas games vs. Taiwan & NZ in the 3rd window). I feel KQ can do a better job in offense than Oftana, especially 3-pt. shooting, if the former is given ample playing time & opportunities. I feel KQ's 3-pt shooting will come if he is utilized by coach Tim properly.

As you said about 3-pt shooting which can come from any of our players, playing various positions, yes I agree with you on that. Brownlee & Dwight have been hitting those 3's. But I think it doesn't speak well of your team if your guards - Iskati Thompson, CJ Perez, Chris Newsome, are the least reliable 3-point shooters in the team.

If you look at the other teams out there - Korea, China, Lebanon, Taiwan, Jordan, Iran, NZ, their point guards & shooting guards are all reliable 3-pt shooters. I think for teams like Korea, Taiwan & Japan, hindi siguro pwede ang point guards & shooting guards na walang 3-pt.

 

[zairex2]

Honestly, I think it's way past time we rely less on the NP to carry the scoring load too much.​​ Let the locals share the load so that we can rely on our NP to do other things like defend (e.g. Douthit, Ange), or be a utility player (ala RHJ, although he can be a go-to guy as well).

The issue is that our team doesn't have a reliable scorer like JB that when things dries up we have that one person that will start up the offense
​and then our offense restart again
​​​​​​. the last time we had that kind of a player is Terrence Romeo

 

[IPC2]

The issue is that our team doesn't have a reliable scorer like JB that when things dries up we have that one person that will start up the offense
​and then our offense restart again
​​​​​​. the last time we had that kind of a player is Terrence Romeo

I think the most reliable scorer we've had in FIBA is Kai, but I get you.

We will have to develop our locals to be able to score in FIBA, then. It's tough, I have to admit, but it's less tough than say, developing FIBA-level interior defenders.

 

[Metta2]

The thing with Kai is, he needs someone to feed him when he gets to his spots. You can't give him the ball anywhere on the floor and he'll make something happen. That takes him out of broken plays, end-of-clock and dynamic situations which are usually crunch time.

Since more scoring is needed, this is when a guy like Navarro should be considered. Excellent defender and I think one of the leading scorers in the league.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

The issue is that our team doesn't have a reliable scorer like JB that when things dries up we have that one person that will start up the offense
​and then our offense restart again
​​​​​​. the last time we had that kind of a player is Terrence Romeo

It's coach Tim's system that makes Gilas too dependent on its naturalized player that kung mawala or the NP couldn't get his game going, it will leave a huge huge void in the team.

Rewind 4 years ago with our Gilas developmental team handled by coach Tab Baldwin which had players like Kai, Ange Kouame, Baltazar, Tamayo, Isaac Go, Navarrro, Dwight Ramos, Jordan Heading, RJ Abarrientos, SJ Belangel. That team didn't really have a go-to-guy. We all know Kouame isn't a go-to-guy type of a NP. The closest player we had at that time to being a go-to-guy is Dwight Ramos. But Dwight Ramos doesn't come close to Brownlee's scoring potential.

That team by coach Tab, made up mostly of players who were on their early 20's at that time(Kai was only 19 at that time) had a system that wasn't dependent on one particular player in offense. That system was built around team work & cohesion. That team beat Korea twice, lost to Serbia by 7 pts but got blown up by the Dominican Republic by 26 pts. It was unfortunate that such team wasn't able to play enough FIBA games kasi nga our brilliant people from the SBP had to replace coach Tab Baldwin.

One thing I like about that team was that coach Tab was able to really utilized the potentials of guys like Dwight, Baltazar, Kouame, Kai, Heading, Belangel. Even mere role players like Navarro, Go & even the Nieto brothers were utilized well by coach Tab. And to think that all those players were very much into the development stage. If you look at the structure of that team, it was almost complete eh, with natural point guards in Joseph Nieto, Belangel & Abarrientos, a reliable 3pt shooter in Heading, a good size versatile wingman in Dwight Ramos, a skilled stretch-4 in Baltazar, solid & good size centers in Kouame & Kai & dependable role players like Navarro, Go, Mike & Joseph Nieto & a gutsy & "magulang" point guard in Belangel. And of course it had a clever coach who understands the FIBA game very well. Such qualities made up for that team's lack of a go-to-guy type of a naturalized player like a Brownlee or a Jordan Clarkson.

 

[Metta2]

It's coach Tim's system that makes Gilas too dependent on its naturalized player that kung mawala or the NP couldn't get his game going, it will leave a huge huge void in the team.

Rewind 4 years ago with our Gilas developmental team handled by coach Tab Baldwin which had players like Kai, Ange Kouame, Baltazar, Tamayo, Isaac Go, Navarrro, Dwight Ramos, Jordan Heading, RJ Abarrientos, SJ Belangel. That team didn't really have a go-to-guy. We all know Kouame isn't a go-to-guy type of a NP. The closest player we had at that time to being a go-to-guy is Dwight Ramos. But Dwight Ramos doesn't come close to Brownlee's scoring potential.

That team by coach Tab, made up mostly of players who were on their early 20's at that time(Kai was only 19 at that time) had a system that wasn't dependent on one particular player in offense. That system was built around team work & cohesion. That team beat Korea twice, lost to Serbia by 7 pts but got blown up by the Dominican Republic by 26 pts. It was unfortunate that such team wasn't able to play enough FIBA games kasi nga our brilliant people from the SBP had to replace coach Tab Baldwin.

One thing I like about that team was that coach Tab was able to really utilized the potentials of guys like Dwight, Baltazar, Kouame, Kai, Heading, Belangel. Even mere role players like Navarro, Go & even the Nieto brothers were utilized well by coach Tab. And to think that all those players were very much into the development stage. If you look at the structure of that team, it was almost complete eh, with natural point guards in Joseph Nieto, Belangel & Abarrientos, a reliable 3pt shooter in Heading, a good size versatile wingman in Dwight Ramos, a skilled stretch-4 in Baltazar, solid & good size centers in Kouame & Kai & dependable role players like Navarro, Go, Mike & Joseph Nieto & a gutsy & "magulang" point guard in Belangel. And of course it had a clever coach who understands the FIBA game very well. Such qualities made up for that team's lack of a go-to-guy type of a naturalized player like a Brownlee or a Jordan Clarkson.

I don't know about that. The triangle Lakers had Shaq-Kobe and Pau-Kobe. Then there are countless iconic moments where it would be other guys like Horry, Fisher or my namesake Metta who would be the hero. Kobe notoriously had a bad scoring game in that game 7 finals vs the Celtics and the other guys stepped up.

The triangle is a dynamic offense.

 

[Rds2]

It's coach Tim's system that makes Gilas too dependent on its naturalized player that kung mawala or the NP couldn't get his game going, it will leave a huge huge void in the team.

Rewind 4 years ago with our Gilas developmental team handled by coach Tab Baldwin which had players like Kai, Ange Kouame, Baltazar, Tamayo, Isaac Go, Navarrro, Dwight Ramos, Jordan Heading, RJ Abarrientos, SJ Belangel. That team didn't really have a go-to-guy. We all know Kouame isn't a go-to-guy type of a NP. The closest player we had at that time to being a go-to-guy is Dwight Ramos. But Dwight Ramos doesn't come close to Brownlee's scoring potential.

That team by coach Tab, made up mostly of players who were on their early 20's at that time(Kai was only 19 at that time) had a system that wasn't dependent on one particular player in offense. That system was built around team work & cohesion. That team beat Korea twice, lost to Serbia by 7 pts but got blown up by the Dominican Republic by 26 pts. It was unfortunate that such team wasn't able to play enough FIBA games kasi nga our brilliant people from the SBP had to replace coach Tab Baldwin.

One thing I like about that team was that coach Tab was able to really utilized the potentials of guys like Dwight, Baltazar, Kouame, Kai, Heading, Belangel. Even mere role players like Navarro, Go & even the Nieto brothers were utilized well by coach Tab. And to think that all those players were very much into the development stage. If you look at the structure of that team, it was almost complete eh, with natural point guards in Joseph Nieto, Belangel & Abarrientos, a reliable 3pt shooter in Heading, a good size versatile wingman in Dwight Ramos, a skilled stretch-4 in Baltazar, solid & good size centers in Kouame & Kai & dependable role players like Navarro, Go, Mike & Joseph Nieto & a gutsy & "magulang" point guard in Belangel. And of course it had a clever coach who understands the FIBA game very well. Such qualities made up for that team's lack of a go-to-guy type of a naturalized player like a Brownlee or a Jordan Clarkson.

Even Nenad’s system didnt need a go to guy. His team performed decently against Korea in exhibition games despite not having any good defender in the lineup. It was overwhelmed by NZ but again his lineup was pretty weak defensively.