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[1/8 finals - Day 1] Latvia - Slovenia

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[1/8 finals - Day 1] Latvia - Slovenia


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Joško Poljak Fan;1000763 said:
2017 it is than, hopefully at least borderline "complete" once for a change as well as with Mesiček, Dončič and one of the young PG's coming up.

Does those Mesiceks,Doncics have the winner characters ? If not,it will happen over and over again...YOU NEED TRUE CHARACTER LEADERS...you have like 10 kuzminskas type players on your team.That is very good players,but too kind and soft...only dragic brothers looks like killers all other 10 looks like born to play for 5-8 places...Look at serbians they are like 12 killers in mentality.This is what you need,not again just tallent...
 
lol i cant believe,how frustrated Lithuanian fans are they are searching in every game something that could prove that their group is not weak,wow just wow
 
Soory for this Josko. Suprise yes but not any earthquake. SLO hade the same problems as us, with out TOP class G and good center this is about as much as you can do. Aint enough with only good SG players.
Good point, yet hoped it wouldn't come down to this. This team was promising to overachieve at lots of stages. Joksimović is drained by now, Klobučar can play PG, however that's still a whole different level compared to the best and Omić is just unpredictable, he can react in a manner of a top10 euro centers or on the level of a semi-amateur player that picked up baketball 4 years ago.

lol i cant believe,how frustrated Lithuanian fans are they are searching in every game something that could prove that their group is not weak,wow just wow
+1 ...and failing to watch any competitive NT's in football, ice-hockey, handball coming from a bball perspective only, Slovenians might seem to have a weak character to Lithuanians, nevermind that ussualy makes us win most olympic medals per capita or there somewhere among the best with Jamaica or Austria as far as winter olympics go, but hey, I'm already used to most of these discussions anyway :)
 
Does those Mesiceks,Doncics have the winner characters ? If not,it will happen over and over again...YOU NEED TRUE CHARACTER LEADERS...you have like 10 kuzminskas type players on your team.That is very good players,but too kind and soft...only dragic brothers looks like killers all other 10 looks like born to play for 5-8 places...Look at serbians they are like 12 killers in mentality.This is what you need,not again just tallent...

From what I have read in this thread, Slovenia needs mentally tough players who are proven and tested winners on and off the court (not necessarily skills-wise but you know what I mean).

The game is won or lost in the players' minds, plain and simple. If your desire to win is not intense enough, you're going to lose games sooner or later.
 
What does winter olympic games are doing in this topic? As well as football and hanball? Shawshank is kinda right.
 
Jeazas... i just said why slovenias looses all the times in playoofs...Didnt wanted to hurt nobody feelings :) Slovenia last 15 years had top8 always and won only one 1/4 games against who else croatia ...other country that looses all the time in 1/4...If its not mentality problems,i dont get it how its possible more than a decade lose in the same way every year,no matter how much tallent you bring...
 
ye Josko. Josko is right. But as a matter of fact even Macedonia has much more develuped team sport than LTU, handball, and also playd final against Slovenia in vollyball EL not long aga both made WL if not mistaken. also playd waterpolo EC and WC.

But LTU is smart. They know they are a small nation and can not be TOP 8 team in 3-4 team sports, and choosed to invest only in BBall. This is how they are a top europ BBall team year after year. Almost better to be good in one team sport than have a half good team in 3-4 team sport as Macedonia.
 
Jeazas... i just said why slovenias looses all the times in playoofs...Didnt wanted to hurt nobody feelings :) Slovenia last 15 years had top8 always and won only one 1/4 games against who else croatia ...other country that looses all the time in 1/4...If its not mentality problems,i dont get it how its possible more than a decade lose in the same way every year,no matter how much tallent you bring...

It's kind a like saying that Lithuania has terrible loser mentality. How many finals and semi-finals you have lost in your history pretty much all of them except the 2003 one. You are the Rubens Barrichelo of basketball, always a nice compliment to somebody's Schumacher.
 
This is not a surprise considering that teams were evenly matched and Latvia had a bit better shooting day and won deservedly. Slovenia had the least amount of roster talent in a long time. There were no Point Guards in the rotation, and besides Blazic and Dragic all the other players are struggling to create anything off the dribble. They didn`t have a featured low-post scorer either (Omic has the strenght and size, but not the fundamentals or hands for the job). The offense was a big struggle for them and not even Gregg Popovic could make much out of this group of players on that end of the floor. On defense they competed, played hard and in the end won 3 of out 6 games which is fair achivement.
 
It's kind a like saying that Lithuania has terrible loser mentality. How many finals and semi-finals you have lost in your history pretty much all of them except the 2003 one. You are the Rubens Barrichelo of basketball, always a nice compliment to somebody's Schumacher.

We won against croatia in 1995 and 2013 semifinals,not only in 2003 :D we also won many bronze matches.Half of those semifinals was againts USa,so yeah we are loosers when we are playing them i admit that :)) every year we trying to compete with them,but just cant handle their speed and athletic abilities.
 
I never liked Omic, Josko just said it, not stable way to many ocilacije how you say in english ? ups and downs. The dude just do not have any middel, either good or bad, just dengerus to play with a player like that in a knock out match, cuz you never know what type of day will have.
 
We won against croatia in 1995 and 2013 semifinals :D we also won many bronze matches.Half of those semifinals was againts USa,so yeah we are loosers when we are playing them i admit that :))

vs. croatia it doesnt counts, you said it so :P
 
We won against croatia in 1995 and 2013 semifinals,not only in 2003 :D we also won many bronze matches.Half of those semifinals was againts USa,so yeah we are loosers when we are playing them i admit that :)) every year we trying to compete with them,but just cant handle their speed and athletic abilities.

If you win the semi, then you lost finals. Etc. etc. Third medal match is para-olympics. Lets see, 1992 lost semi vs USA, 1995 lost finals vs us, 1996 lost semis vs us again, 1997 lost qtrs vs us again, 1998 lost vs Russia in qtrs, 1999 lost vs Spain QTRs, 2000 lost vs USA semis, 2001 lost vs Latvia 1/8 finals, 2002 no part., 2003 won gold, 2004 lost vs Italy semis, 2005 lost vs France QTR, 2006 lost vs Spain in QTRs, 2007 lost vs Russia semis, 2008 lost vs Spain semis, 2009 didn't make it out of group in round 2, 2010 lost vs USA semis, 2011 lost vs Macedonia in QTRs, 2012 lost vs Russia in QTRs, 2013 lost vs France in finals, 2014 lost vs USA semis.

That's where you stand. Like I said Rubens Barrichelo.
 
lol i cant believe,how frustrated Lithuanian fans are they are searching in every game something that could prove that their group is not weak,wow just wow

CoachZ coach decided to say his word. Are things with sense of humor so bad in Serbia? Seems someone is thrying to find anything that doesn't exist in post of Lithuanian fans. But I allways wish good luck to the ones who are trying to find black cat in the dark room.
 
Actually considerations of the phallus and the notion of lack (of a phallus) are central to psychoanalytic theory. Glad to see such sophisticated theoretical discussions going on in this thread. Over at the GRE-BEL game thread we have been wasting our time discussing Antetokounmpo's 3-point shot. :p
 
If you win the semi, then you lost finals. Etc. etc. Third medal match is para-olympics. Lets see, 1992 lost semi vs USA, 1995 lost finals vs us, 1996 lost semis vs us again, 1997 lost qtrs vs us again, 1998 lost vs Russia in qtrs, 1999 lost vs Spain QTRs, 2000 lost vs USA semis, 2001 lost vs Latvia 1/8 finals, 2002 no part., 2003 won gold, 2004 lost vs Italy semis, 2005 lost vs France QTR, 2006 lost vs Spain in QTRs, 2007 lost vs Russia semis, 2008 lost vs Spain semis, 2009 didn't make it out of group in round 2, 2010 lost vs USA semis, 2011 lost vs Macedonia in QTRs, 2012 lost vs Russia in QTRs, 2013 lost vs France in finals, 2014 lost vs USA semis.

That's where you stand. Like I said Rubens Barrichelo.

Yes you have more victory when us, but you have 3 times biger country when ours, so maybye you want to compare our list of trofies with some similar to our countries? Try to find one. And by the way, what did you won during last 10 year minimum? That was cheap trick, i can repeat it and we will compare. From the day you are Serbia:

2006 lost against Spain in 1/16, 2007 didn't leave a group, 2008 didn't paticipate, 2009 lost against Spain in the final, 2010 lost against Turkia in semifinal, 2011 lost agaisnt Russia in quaterfinal, 2012 didn't paticipate, 2013 lost against Spain in quaterfinal, 2014 lost against USA in the final... Not very bright folks... :)
 
Hate to be the party breaker guys... however... on topic please.
 
Yes you have more victory when us, but you have 3 times biger country when ours, so maybye you want to compare our list of trofies with some similar to our countries? Try to find one. And by the way, what did you won during last 10 year minimum? That was cheap trick, i can repeat it and we will compare. From the day you are Serbia:

2006 lost against Spain in 1/16, 2007 didn't leave a group, 2008 didn't paticipate, 2009 lost against Spain in the final, 2010 lost against Turkia in semifinal, 2011 lost agaisnt Russia in quaterfinal, 2012 didn't paticipate, 2013 lost against Spain in quaterfinal, 2014 lost against USA in the final... Not very bright folks... :)

Actually, you should start counting from 2003 to 2008 because in that period we felt most patriotic and whole therefore only those results should count. This pre 2003 and post 2009 stuff is something not to be proud of. I will see if I can do something about those excess people in Serbia. How many of them need to go? Around 4-5 million. I am sure we can take care of that as well. Also I don't know if you need that as well, but I might as well help out with burning all of our infrastructure, destruction of youth programs etc etc. Just to find the right balance.
 
Actually, you should start counting from 2003 to 2008 because in that period we felt most patriotic and whole therefore only those results should count.

I am counting from the day you are no long Serbia and Montenegro, but simply Serbia. Pure and simple.

I will see if I can do something about those excess people in Serbia. How many of them need to go? Around 4-5 million. I am sure we can take care of that as well.

No no, don't do it. I visited Serbia in year 2002 when i was student. And I liked the country, so I don't want Serbia to loose people. :) Of course to loose one person wouldn't be such a tragedy, but maybye he'll still grow up... :)
 
If you win the semi, then you lost finals. Etc. etc. Third medal match is para-olympics. Lets see, 1992 lost semi vs USA, 1995 lost finals vs us, 1996 lost semis vs us again, 1997 lost qtrs vs us again, 1998 lost vs Russia in qtrs, 1999 lost vs Spain QTRs, 2000 lost vs USA semis, 2001 lost vs Latvia 1/8 finals, 2002 no part., 2003 won gold, 2004 lost vs Italy semis, 2005 lost vs France QTR, 2006 lost vs Spain in QTRs, 2007 lost vs Russia semis, 2008 lost vs Spain semis, 2009 didn't make it out of group in round 2, 2010 lost vs USA semis, 2011 lost vs Macedonia in QTRs, 2012 lost vs Russia in QTRs, 2013 lost vs France in finals, 2014 lost vs USA semis.

That's where you stand. Like I said Rubens Barrichelo.

This happens literally everytime when Lithuanians are involved in a debate about achievements. It always becomes a measurement of strength and neediness to confirm they are indeed a great nation. During my 3-week visit to Lithuania @EB2011 it was almost impossible to have a debate where someone wouldn't literally boast about Lithuanian basketball, food, landmarks and so on. Their love for basketball is much less love for the sport, than pathologic patriotism that shows the fears of being a small nation. Basketball is their way of positioning themselves on the world map which sucks a lot, since sport always suffers and it becomes a subject of political debate, national pride and so on. It is very similar in Slovenia, it's just the people react a bit differently. Slovenian mentality is introverted and always results in criticising yourself for not being able to reach the very top, being the best of the best, while Lithuania is very boastful and in your face about their achievements, even if they are more than 20 years old. The 92' game with Russia was for me a curse for Lithuanian basketball, because at that time basketball became a pillar of Lithuanian extreme patriotism. It is nearly impossible for someone from outside to truly be sympathetic with their sport if you know how an average fan perceives basketball.

Maybe we lost some matches precisely because of this introverted mentality (which is answer to Shawshanks question), but i prefer to have it this way, than the opposite, being a douchebag and try to show how superior my nation is to literally every foreigner.

From the less philosophical standpoint and more on-topic:

it's a pity we lost today, but it was kind of expected for this team. Their major downfall was the inability to adapt to new conditions. Today, we saw a lot of those. Traveling to another country and early hour of match were decisive for the level of energy with which we started the game. Latvian tall players, who are physically much better than our very old and tired talls, were of course able to adapt much quicker to new conditions and that was decisive. It broke our tactical plan and made us play in Latvian rhythm. Also, the guys didn't get the fanatical support they were getting in Zagreb. Most importantly, Latvians were prepared for this match, as they would have been studying us for one month. They knew the tendencies of every our player. It was a very, very good preparation from the Latvian assistant coaches and they deserve to be in quarters.

Many don't know that Zoran Dragić and Zdovc had a small fight after the Netherlands game and it changed team chemistry a lot. This team was the best when Zdovc was pushing them to the limit throughout the match by yelling at them. He stopped doing that after that fight. Zoran got his leadership role that he wanted and this might have influenced our today's inability to rise the level of energy during the match.

It's not a secret, this is a huge blow for Slovenian basketball and it might take quite some time to get back to the TOP8 position. It will also change the dynamic of national's team organization, since we'll have to play qualifying matches, which might be good for our less known and experienced players. An era has now truly finished and although we didn't win a medal, I think we weren't really under-achieving, our results were always very real. It left us some bitter memories, but also some very good ones, especially from the travels to championships, my favourite one still being Serbia 2005.
 
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