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SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. XII)

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for those who wants to see Slaughter to play 30 mins a ball game in International Tournaments, sorry to disappoint you all. Maybe the reason why Toroman didn't want Slaughter to earned a major minutes in every competition is that, he is just getting ready to play FIBA qualifier with out slaughter in the line up. We must remember that Slaughters priority now is with ADMU. So Toroman is just being wise not to field Slaughter in some games because in the first place why give him a major minutes when you know at the end he can't play in your team? How come J.A earned more minutes than Slaughter? Because J.A is fully commited to Gilas program. It's about time to get Fajardo (if pwede lng pakainin ng pera yan Trans: Give him Money,Condo,car and some benefits)


Slaughter did improved his game, and in fact is ready to take his game in asian level. But his situation prevented him from earning major minutes.


JBalle is good, but you can't give him 15 mins or so. 4 mins is enough for this guy:D

about fajardo - dude can't you get it?........ junmar valued "utang na loob" more than money because if not for fernandez he is now be planting kamote in his province.

about slaughter - wow!!! bro can you pass the pot that your smoking?!!!:D:D:D
 
I find it interesting that some of the posters calling for Toroman to resign have not said anything about calling for some of the gilas players to resign as well. Barroca and some other Gilas players must have had an outstanding performance then :D

these players are part of the pool and SBP has already invested a lot on this players, maybe barroca and others will be more effective under a new system and a new coach, anyway if they will not perform according to expectation they can be let go when their contract expired.
 
If Slaughter's priority is now Ateneo, how come he was in the Asian Games? You and your conspiracy theories indeed!

But if you were really rational, you'd see that a 37-year-old Asi Taulava is still better than Slaughter at this stage. If Toroman just wanted development, he'd give Slaughter more playing time. But he was under pressure to win, so who would he use but his best center?

I suggest you check back in a year, after Slaughter puts on his PILIPINAS jersey in FIBA Asia. Until then, unless you have proof, shut up.

in the crucial 4th quarter against japan williams plays center because asi was in foul trouble , this only shows that toroman doesn't care about development all he want is to win and he doesn't care if he has a promising 7footer warming the bench , if we had won that game we could be a sure semifinalist facing Nkorea instead of Skorea.

reasons why toroman should be fired
1. none/minimal players development
2. smart gilas performance is a disappointment - 6th place in asiad RP's worst performance since 1978

conclussion " hindi na nga naidevelop yung mnga players hindi pa rin makapanalo"
trans: you said it best when you say nothing at all.:D

excuses for toroman (source: toroman nut huggers ):
1. we are already used to losing and toroman helped us to place 6th in asiad, it is already an achievement
Originally Posted by sergio23
come on why fire a good coach? accept it we signed toroman bcoz we know he can help us...
2. toroman help RP achieve its worst place finish in asiad since 1978 so anyone criticizing him is a traitor to our country.
Originally Posted by ZIMATAR
We should close this thread (fire toroman thread). This is unpatriotic. This will not help. This will probably cause more harm than good...
3. all we need is some luck plus of course fans have to use their imagination.
“We just didn’t have the luck. In our game against South Korea, our wing players (Marcio Lassiter, Chris Tiu and Mac Baracael) were 2-of-20. Imagine, if we could have made those shots," he said.
 
I find it interesting that some of the posters calling for Toroman to resign have not said anything about calling for some of the gilas players to resign as well. Barroca and some other Gilas players must have had an outstanding performance then :D

No way Toroman will resign!! My inference is this guy has pride as high as the 2012 Olympic dream of Gilas... :D:D

His Boss should step in for it to happen that Toroman will be relegated to Team Consultant or better yet, really function as his position is ought to be... Project Director :eek:

My opinion is that he sucks in the "diskarte" department come crunch time especially when game is very close. :mad:
 
convince Pnoy to stop paying our debts and divert the budget to naturalize blake griffin. then pay the media to announce that kevin love is indeed a fil-am. voila! a perfect additions for our small-ball team. :D:D:D
 
solar sports looking for other tv station to continue the former's contract to televise pba?

a sign of very low saleability of the pba. lot of people are not interested with the league anymore.

the pba should help the gilas program 100%. lend pba players (a lot of them) to the gilas full-time. if the gilas team wins major fiba-asia championships, let say next asiad and the 2011 fiba-asia, people will start to take notice and will be interested with philippine basketball again.

the pba will then be an interesting league. ratings will soar. a renaissance.

solar sports will cry over spilled milk.

:D
 
in the crucial 4th quarter against japan williams plays center because asi was in foul trouble , this only shows that toroman doesn't care about development all he want is to win and he doesn't care if he has a promising 7footer warming the bench , if we had won that game we could be a sure semifinalist facing Nkorea instead of Skorea.

reasons why toroman should be fired
1. none/minimal players development
2. smart gilas performance is a disappointment - 6th place in asiad RP's worst performance since 1978

conclussion " hindi na nga naidevelop yung mnga players hindi pa rin makapanalo"
trans: you said it best when you say nothing at all.:D

excuses for toroman (source: toroman nut huggers ):
1. we are already used to losing and toroman helped us to place 6th in asiad, it is already an achievement

2. toroman help RP achieve its worst place finish in asiad since 1978 so anyone criticizing him is a traitor to our country.

3. all we need is some luck plus of course fans have to use their imagination.


a classic example of how good TOROMAN is..
on ALIBI's and EXCUSES!..
hahahahaha!...
for me lets AXE this Old guy!
for TEAM PILIPINAS sake...
 
for those toroman haters you are just displaying old FILIPINO attitude... always blaming and blaming... you have the same mindset of UAAP guyz... if a coach doesnt deliver for a couple of games then they want him to be ousted... is that right?? you dont know what is the situation on SBP and GILAS right now... you guys are just nerdy bloggers who are just criticizing people so that you will satisfy your ego...
stop acting like kids...
 
nice read everyone

nice read everyone

What’s in store for Smart Gilas?

By Sid Ventura
For Yahoo! Southeast Asia


The Smart Gilas Team Pilipinas (notice it’s no longer called the developmental team), fresh off a sixth-place finish at the recent Asian Games, is already gearing up for next year’s FIBA-Asia joust that will determine the continent’s lone representative to the 2012 London Olympics. Assistant coach Allan Gregorio told me recently that the team will take a break and resume practice on December 28.

According to a report in one of the major dailies, the team is set to participate in three big tournaments next year as part of their build-up—one in Dubai in January plus a couple of regular tourneys in the middle of the year, the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup and the Jones Cup. They’ll also spend some time in Serbia for more training.

Which is all good. But will it be enough? If Guangzhou is any indication, Gilas is going to need all the help it can get. The sixth-place finish wasn’t exactly disastrous; in fact, it was what you might expect from that line-up. All things considered, finishing within the fourth-to-sixth range was realistic, and a podium finish would have been a bonus.

But that was the Asian Games. Consider that China and Iran, the top two Asian teams in last year’s FIBA-Asia championship, didn’t even have their NBA players Yi Jianlian and Hamed Haddadi in Guangzhou, while Lebanon, also an Asian heavyweight, begged off from the Asiad. In the FIBA-Asia championship, China and Iran will most likely be at full strength, and Lebanon is sure to be there.

So if Gilas is to improve on its finish in the Asian Games, it will have to do so against stronger opposition. Of course, Marcus Douthit, the naturalized American center, will now be around to give Gilas some much-needed inside strength. But even with Douthit on board, man for man the rest of the Gilas line-up just doesn’t have the firepower to beat the likes of Iran and China, which is why I think the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) will again run to the PBA for help.

And even that is not a guarantee of success. While the national team will certainly be more competitive if it were backstopped by the likes of James Yap, Asi Taulava, Kelly Williams and Jimmy Alapag (four players I personally would like to see included), the road to London will still be wrought with danger. But hey, as they say in the vernacular, bilog ang bola. Anything can happen.

Now, assuming the SBP does ask the PBA to lend a few of its players again, and assuming further that this hybrid Gilas-PBA team performs strongly (as in making it to the top three), here’s my question: what will become of the program now?

The SBP’s decision to ask the PBA to lend Taulava, Williams and Sol Mercado to the national team recently is, to my mind, already a tacit admission that they can’t get win with the current roster. Let’s face it: the SBP has veered away from Smart Gilas’ original purpose – that is, to set up a national developmental pool from the amateur ranks and independent of the PBA, with the goal of qualifying for the London Olympics.
The Gilas team was formed in 2008 with some of the country’s top amateur players forming its core. I say “some” because even at the onset, a number of cagers, notably La Salle’s Rico Maierhofer and San Beda’s Ogie Menor, opted to join the PBA draft instead, while others like Ateneo’s Ryan Buenafe, University of Cebu’s Junmar Fajardo and UE’s Paul Lee ultimately declined their invitations.

Serbian coach Rajko Toroman was given a three-year window to make Gilas a competitive team, culminating in a strong showing at the 2011 FIBA-Asia championships. Leading up to last month’s Asian Games, the core of the team had been together for two years, and while there has been some progress (this team evidently is far more cohesive than the two PBA teams that represented the country in the last two FIBA-Asia championships), it’s also clear Toroman does not really have the best amateur players available.

In this article written shortly after the PBA-backed national team finished a dismal eighth in the 2009 FIBA-Asia championships, SBP executive director Noli Eala said the SBP was taking full control of the forming of the national team (which, in effect, really meant Toroman’s team), but at the same time he didn’t close the door on the possibility of PBA players reinforcing the team.

In that same article, Yeng Guiao, the coach of that PBA selection, predicted that the SBP would be running to the PBA for help sooner rather than later, and his words proved to be prophetic. It only took the SBP a little over a year after this article came out to knock on the PBA’s door again.

Which is why I have a feeling they’ll do it again for next year’s FIBA-Asia joust. This is the big ticket, the one tournament for which Toroman was hired and the Smart Gilas team was formed, and while the team itself has improved since its formation two years ago, it’s painfully clear they need reinforcements from the pro ranks.

Now, if reinforcing the national pool with PBA players is what it takes for the Philippines to have a better shot at that London slot, then so be it. But this is no longer in line with Gilas’ whole reason for being, so what direction will the SBP now take? Will some Gilas members train all year round, only to be eased out for major tournaments to accommodate PBA players (see: Dylan Ababou and Aldrech Ramos)? Already, with the looming entry of Douthit, another player, most likely Jason Ballesteros, is sure to be bumped off.

I get what the SBP is doing with Smart Gilas. The idea of having a national pool that does nothing but train for international competition is something we haven’t had since the early 80s. But right now I think the program is caught between a rock and a hard place. Stand pat on sending amateurs and they will get creamed. Get help from the PBA for big tournaments and they defeat the purpose of having a national training pool.

Perhaps what the SBP can do is sit down again with the PBA and map out a long-term plan for the national team. Given Eala’s contentious history with the pro league, I know that’s easier said than done. Still, maybe an arrangement can be worked out for the PBA to lend three to four players for the FIBA-Asia only and, if we get really lucky, the Olympics and FIBA World Championships. This would be not unlike what China and Iran are doing with their NBA players, who only join their national teams for the FIBA-Asia championships. In the meantime, let’s also not ignore our youth team, which finished fifth in Asia this year and fourth last year. There’s an abundance of talent there just waiting to be tapped. The SBP should see to it that the youth team becomes a pipeline of talent to the national pool, which is the system in many other countries.

I know a lot of these suggestions are a long shot, and maybe even a fantasy. But you never know. As they say, bilog ang bola.

http://ph.yfittopostblog.com/2010/12/03/what’s-in-store-for-smart-gilas/
 
for those toroman haters you are just displaying old FILIPINO attitude... always blaming and blaming... you have the same mindset of UAAP guyz... if a coach doesnt deliver for a couple of games then they want him to be ousted... is that right?? you dont know what is the situation on SBP and GILAS right now... you guys are just nerdy bloggers who are just criticizing people so that you will satisfy your ego...
stop acting like kids...

i dont think that all of those who want to axe toroman as coach are toroman haters. but you're right. some of these guys are just nerdy bloggers with big egos.
 
our basketball program is having lots of problem... and firing toroman is not the solution...

It's been like this since the BAP days. The problem is that we are still stubbornly following the American way of things. How many failures does it have to take to convince the greedy PBA and collegiate ranks that they need to cooperate to help our basketball?

Toroman is a great coach but when did he ever have any freedom of choosing the players he want?

The blame, as I've said many times, is on US and our foolish pride and greed.
 
It's been like this since the BAP days. The problem is that we are still stubbornly following the American way of things. How many failures does it have to take to convince the greedy PBA and collegiate ranks that they need to cooperate to help our basketball?

Toroman is a great coach but when did he ever have any freedom of choosing the players he want?

The blame, as I've said many times, is on US and our foolish pride and greed.

what specific american cultural trait are you referring to, bro?
 
a coach will deploy the best first 5 in a game depending on what he sees in practice and drills, if a player is not performing well even in practice , then of course a coach will not deploy him in a game.

just the fact that a player is joining the practtices and drills is already development.

for a player to earn minutes in actual games he has to show the coach that he is doing well in practice. For example, slaughter was doing better than Asi in practice, then I'm sure toroman would have enough sense to just use Asi as a backup instead.

I bet that if slaughter and balle/baracael was deployed in the gilas versus taiwan or the first game of gilas versus qatar and we lost, some posters will be screaming why we did not let Asi and Williams play major minutes :D

in a game against a weak country like north korea that had only a 6'4" center, Slaughter was fielded in and Asi just rested.

one can't afford to do development or experimentation in games against tough countries specially in important tournaments like asiad or fiba-asia unless one just wants to develop and develop endlessly with no concern for winning whether its a practice or important major tournament.

Don't worry. in the dubai cup and other practice or minor tournaments, i will bet my money that slaughter will play major minutes so he can get more development until such time as when Asi retires then slaughter will take over Asi's role.
 
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thanks DIA..
na ban ako for 15days dun sa kabila...
trans: i was banned for 15days on the other forum..

but ill be back again soon!
dont wori im sure youll not miss me then!..

Off topic:

kaw kasi eh. ;)
trans: you should have known better

on topic:

i thought toroman issue has subsided..whew.:cool:
 
for those toroman haters you are just displaying old FILIPINO attitude... always blaming and blaming... you have the same mindset of UAAP guyz... if a coach doesnt deliver for a couple of games then they want him to be ousted... is that right?? you dont know what is the situation on SBP and GILAS right now... you guys are just nerdy bloggers who are just criticizing people so that you will satisfy your ego...
stop acting like kids...

I don't get it. How is criticizing Toroman supposed to satisfy someones ego?
 
I find it interesting that some of the posters calling for Toroman to resign have not said anything about calling for some of the gilas players to resign as well. Barroca and some other Gilas players must have had an outstanding performance then :D

Its because the players are part of a pool. You don't need to ask for their resignation, you just advocate that they don't get chosen for the final twelve next time around. Besides, (generally) I don't think they would resign unless they see a better alternative.

Also, if a player is chosen by the coach despite his publicly known flaws/disadvantages and true enough, those flaws/disadvantages hamper his play - its not the players fault, he was just being himself. The coach has to take the heat. But who knows, maybe the coach's decision may be validated after a few more tournaments.
 
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