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SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. X)

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History will tells us that self serving ambition and personal interest when placed above the common good usually results in a country rules by a corrupt petty elite. History tells us that sacrifice and a higher cause like love for country are the foundation for great countries (not that they will stay that way forever - once society turns to personal interest then the process of decay begins

true. i agree.

but... excellence in sports is NOT the higher cause.

also basketball success is NOT the common good simply because not every filipino cares if we win or lose a basketball game.

again, the success of RP basketball is only in the best interests of the pinoy basketball fans. We will be the only ones who will get hurt if our national team loses. Other Filipinos simply don't care. ;)

... once again... it's just basketball... it's not like we're at war.
 
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History will tells us that self serving ambition and personal interest when placed above the common good usually results in a country rules by a corrupt petty elite. History tells us that sacrifice and a higher cause like love for country are the foundation for great countries (not that they will stay that way forever - once society turns to personal interest then the process of decay begins

Whoever said that I am advocating self-serving ambition and personal interest above all else? :rolleyes:

I don't want to start a treatise on liberalism vs. authoritarianism or what-have-you. There are other fora available for that kind of discourse.

But as it is, you are advancing the tired, old idea that personal interests are bad, and love of country should rule over all. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Wouldn't you rather live in a country where you are free to voice out your opinion and defend it against those who would assail it in the name of "country", whatever "country" means? Would you rather go back to the 1970s and be made to ride a bicycle at gunpoint just because you made a joke about national development and riding on two wheels?

A lot of crimes have been committed in the name of personal interest and self-serving ambition, yes. But a lot of crimes have also been committed in the name of "sacrifice and a higher cause like love for country". Lebensraum, anyone?

PBA players do not want to play for the national team for reasons that to us may seem petty, but for them mean the entire world. Who are we to judge their value systems? Who are we to say that the risk of a career-ending ACL tear in a tune-up game against Abkhazia is nothing to sneeze at? Who are we to say that not choosing to play in a system where their strengths are minimized and weaknesses are maximized is anti-Filipino? Who are we to say that not being able to play anymore, thus cutting their source of income (and the means to pay income tax and contribute toward development) at the root, is a mere trifle?

This is the sort of herd mentality that I've noticed here. I am sure that a lot of athletes would want to play for the country, but at the end of the day, the lack of a support system, among other factors, keeps them from doing so. It is just deplorable that a lot of forum members would mistake this for the absence of love for country, and it is also sad that fellow forum members who look at the other side of the equation have their loyalties questioned.
 
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PBA players do not want to play for the national team for reasons that to us may seem petty, but for them mean the entire world. Who are we to judge their value systems? Who are we to say that the risk of a career-ending ACL tear in a tune-up game against Abkhazia is nothing to sneeze at? Who are we to say that not choosing to play in a system where their strengths are minimized and weaknesses are maximized is anti-Filipino? Who are we to say that not being able to play anymore, thus cutting their source of income (and the means to pay income tax and contribute toward development) at the root, is a mere trifle?

can't say it better than this...

;)
 
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Lebanese NT training schedule!
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-training camp in lebanon starting from june 7!
-training camp in serbia
-friendly tournament in philippine ( Iran-Jordan-Philippine)
-Jones Cup
-Friendly tournament in Turkey-Effes Pilsen-(Turkey-Canada-Slovenia)
-2 friendly matches against Czech Republic and Tunisia
-Stankovic tournament in Lebanon
 
PBA players do not want to play for the national team for reasons that to us may seem petty, but for them mean the entire world. Who are we to judge their value systems? Who are we to say that the risk of a career-ending ACL tear in a tune-up game against Abkhazia is nothing to sneeze at? Who are we to say that not choosing to play in a system where their strengths are minimized and weaknesses are maximized is anti-Filipino? Who are we to say that not being able to play anymore, thus cutting their source of income (and the means to pay income tax and contribute toward development) at the root, is a mere trifle?

But do they really not want to play for the country? I think otherwise as I have seen PBA players who have played with so much passion (and heart :D) during the times they have represented the country. Instead, I think the issue is that the PBA is no longer willing to let go of their assets.
 
To the mods if there is a Youth olympic section you can move this post

To the mods if there is a Youth olympic section you can move this post

SINGAPORE/GENEVA (Youth Olympic Games) - The draws for the 3on3 basketball tournaments to be played at the first-ever Youth Olympic Games (YOG) in Singapore this summer took place on Monday.

The inaugural YOG will feature FIBA's 3on3 basketball tournaments for both young men and young women and will involve a grand total of 40 teams from 38 different countries. The competition is organised by FIBA and the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

The results of the draws are as follows:

BOYS
Group A: A1 Serbia; A2 Greece; A3 Puerto Rico; A4 India; A5 New Zealand.
Group B: B1 Argentina; B2 Iran; B3 Lithuania; B4 Panama; B5 Egypt.
Group C: C1 Israel; C2 Singapore; C3 Turkey; C4 USA; C5 Central African Republic.
Group D: D1 Philippines; D2 Spain; D3 South Africa; D4 US Virgin Islands; D5 Croatia.

GIRLS
Group A: A1 Korea; A2 Vanuatu; A3 Ivory Coast; A4 Russia; A5 Canada.
Group B: B1 Belarus; B2 Singapore; B3 USA; B4 Angola; B5 Germany.
Group C: C1 Brazil, C2 Team to be decided; C3 Mali; C4 Czech Republic; C5 China.
Group D: D1 Japan; D2 Australia; D3 France; D4 Italy; D5 Chile.

To make certain of the worldwide representation, the decision was taken to not allow countries to have teams in both the men's and women's tournaments with the exception of hosts Singapore and the United States, who have top four sides in both genders of the FIBA World Rankings.

All five FIBA zones - Africa, the Americas, Asia, Europe and Oceania - will have representation.

The YOG will take place from 14th to 26th August. The event will bring together 3,600 athletes aged 14 to 18 and coming from all 205 National Olympic Committees to compete in the 26 sports on the London 2012 Olympic Games programme.

FIBA
 
But do they really not want to play for the country? I think otherwise as I have seen PBA players who have played with so much passion (and heart :D) during the times they have represented the country. Instead, I think the issue is that the PBA is no longer willing to let go of their assets.

It's also the same story for these PBA teams. These are corporations investing millions of pesos on these players.

What happens if their assets have career ending injuries? This will be recorded as losses and bad investments. Corporations will lose money, declare bankrupcy, retrench and terminate their basketball and non-basketball employees. People will lose their jobs.

Will it do good to the country if this scenario happens? Sige lang panalo naman sa basketball, di ba? (still, that's not even a sure thing)
 
But do they really not want to play for the country? I think otherwise as I have seen PBA players who have played with so much passion (and heart :D) during the times they have represented the country. Instead, I think the issue is that the PBA is no longer willing to let go of their assets.

Playing for the country and playing as part of the national team are two different things. In the cases of Hontiveros and Alapag, they might be more than willing to play for the Philippines, but they don't want to be part of the national team coached by Yeng Guiao, due to, uhm, employee-employer relations. :D

There are many permutations in this case. For all we know, the naturalized player might just be interested in playing as part of the national team for the (substantial) paycheck, but would be the first to repudiate his assumed nationality. We could also have players who want to represent the country, but feel that their skill sets as of this time are not enough to clinch a slot in this year's team and would rather much use their time training for the time they'll be ready. Others might treat playing in the national team as some sort of exposure to foreign scouts and might not give a rat's @$$ about the name emblazoned on the front of his jersey. The possibilities are endless.

What we need are players who are ready, willing, and able. Not a bunch of conscripts who would rather be elsewhere, recovering from injury or avoiding it. If the PBA allows one of its players to suit up for the team, what would the coverage plan be? Who will pay for treatment for injuries sustained during NT games? Will the SBP cover it, or is the mother company duty-bound to do that? Is there a possibility of two parallel contracts running at the same time?

From a purely business viewpoint, it does not make sense for an entity to finance another company's acquisition and maintenance of assets. How will a CEO explain this expense to his stakeholders?

I understand that there is a clarion call for players who are ready, willing, and able to join the NT. But service is not something that is to be coerced upon anyone. D_I_A's "draft dodging" argument holds no water here, since the Philippines has never had a conscription service and even the ROTC has evolved into other forms of community service, some of which do not even involve the military. Service is voluntary. We don't force people to join the army; why should we demand the same from our athletes?
 
It's also the same story for these PBA teams. These are corporations investing millions of pesos on these players.

What happens if their assets have career ending injuries? This will be recorded as losses and bad investments. Corporations will lose money, declare bankrupcy, retrench and terminate their basketball and non-basketball employees. People will lose their jobs.

Will it do good to the country if this scenario happens? Sige lang panalo naman sa basketball, di ba? (still, that's not even a sure thing)

i know that PBA is a a marketing tool, imo having a "basketball" team is not an investment for me.
 
nobody's being forced to play for RP..that would be unconstitutional

nobody's being forced to play for RP..that would be unconstitutional

there's no problem with the PBA players who doesn't want to play for flag and country because they fear the all mighty ACL tear..it's the PBA who doesn't want to lend their players that is the main problem.Try to imagine,we are the only ones who can't let pro players play for our national team,what kind of backward thinking is that?If the PBA allows the player to play for team RP,then the player refuses,then that's fine(trans.kung ayaw mo wag mo,di kita pipilitin ungas).Atleast the SBP can still choose someone who i willing to risk limb for the national team and I'm pretty sure that with paychecks waiting for them,some pro athlete out there is willing to wear RP jersey.What ever motive that made these players play for Team Pilipinas it doesn't matter as long as they play to the extent of their ability then that's fine for me and maybe some of the guys here.
 
Playing for country first and love for country and being selfless should be the priority in playing for our country but let us be realistic, How can an athlete let us say a player for Smart Gilas play his heart out if he is hungry , so there is a just cause for the compensation, The Smart Gilas program is a win win situation for both SBP and it's players.

For SBP they have a good program that could be a starting point for the future of Team Pilipinas and to bring back lost glory in our country

For the players They are given a chance to improve, be noticed by international scouts and they also get good compensation in doing so

Now for the PBA players we cannot say that they didn't play hard enough
for our country, the likes of Meneses, Lastimosa, Patrimonio, Caidic , Taulava, Alapag etc
It's the organization's fault itself for having lack of preparation or cramming in the past. And it's the PBA choice to stop representing our NT anymore

Now for the Present generation of PBA players they have the option to go NT let say if their contract expires if they want to that is if they are willing to be payed less compared to the PBA teams.
 
hmmm... career ending injury while playing for NT?

last time who experienced this is danny seigle(2002 acl?) and mark caguioa (shoulder injury 2007), but still they are playing on their mother club n PBA and getting the max contract?


now tell me who is the player from the past who got injured while playing for flag and did not played in the PBA anymore?
 
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hmmm... career ending injury while playing for NT?

last time who experienced this is danny seigle(2002 acl?) and mark caguioa (shoulder injury 2007), but still they are playing on their mother club n PBA and getting the max contract?


now tell me who is the player from the past who got injured while playing for flag and did not played in the PBA anymore?

I'm talking of the risks. Just because a career-ending injury has never happened while on NT duty, it doesn't mean that it CANNOT and WILL NEVER happen. 'Sus. Let's not nitpick here.

Seigle took a couple of years to recover fully, and all we see of him now is a mere shadow of his former dominant self. Caguioa has been sidelined by various injuries since.
 
excellence in sports might not make us a first world country..but tell me,besides sports and music can anyone tell me what are the good things in our country we should be glad about?and oh yeah this is a basketball forum we shouldn't be talking about those fine beaches :D.
 
I'm talking of the risks. Just because a career-ending injury has never happened while on NT duty, it doesn't mean that it CANNOT and WILL NEVER happen. 'Sus. Let's not nitpick here.

Seigle took a couple of years to recover fully, and all we see of him now is a mere shadow of his former dominant self. Caguioa has been sidelined by various injuries since.


but it did end? they are still getting a max contract???
 
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