KevinDurant
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If the other Gilas players won't develop come 2011, this is a good solution. KWill, Dillinger, and Ryan Reyes are young, good players.
SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. X)
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If the other Gilas players won't develop come 2011, this is a good solution. KWill, Dillinger, and Ryan Reyes are young, good players.
D_I_A
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"first of all, playing basketball is not the only way to serve your country. Its not even an effective way to do it. Can you feed millions of hungry pinoys by winning the basketball gold in london? Can you help the economy that way? Can you eradicate graft and corruption thru success in sports? you can be a good filipino citizen even if you refuse to play for your national team."
agree, basketball isn't only the way to serve our country, it won't even feed the entire country even if our national team wins an olympic gold but it would definitely inspire and provide hope to our countrymen which is too fed up with all the problems this country has. i guess no amount can be quantified if winning for the country can bring out the much needed optimism to bring this country back to its right place.
as with my previous post, do you think that these gilas players will play for gilas without the allowances mvp is giving them?
besides, pride has a monetary equivalent. pacquiao brings pride to RP but earns a billion pesos in return. lea salonga and charice brings honor to our country but are they singing for free?
i believe they would still play, besides, it's not only about the money that makes the world go round. and even as you say pride has a monetary equivalent, i'm sure deep inside such personalities you've mentioned, that they will fight, sing and offer their talents if our country's pride is at stake. if they don't, other talents will surely rise to the call.
RP team basketball pride is for the pinoy basketball fans only. Losing (even to indonesia) is not the end of the world for the country. Other pinoys who are not interested in basketball don't even care about our national team. does it make them less nationalistic than us?
maybe for now, since our national basketball team hasn't reached its target, but when it does, it's pretty sure the entire country will be will praying, hoping and cheering hard for its national team to bring glory to the country
one more thing, who has given more SACRIFICE? PBA teams and players who play for free abroad with the risk of injuries (and losing their livelihood/PBA teams losing their multi-million investments) or smart gilas players who receive compensation for playing in the NT?
for a PBA believer like you, of course it will be the PBA teams and players, but should we boast and bring this up if serving the country is a prime duty of every citizen? is it always about money? maybe this is the mentality being instilled or espoused in our country's only pro-league.
Again, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country..
agree, basketball isn't only the way to serve our country, it won't even feed the entire country even if our national team wins an olympic gold but it would definitely inspire and provide hope to our countrymen which is too fed up with all the problems this country has. i guess no amount can be quantified if winning for the country can bring out the much needed optimism to bring this country back to its right place.
as with my previous post, do you think that these gilas players will play for gilas without the allowances mvp is giving them?
besides, pride has a monetary equivalent. pacquiao brings pride to RP but earns a billion pesos in return. lea salonga and charice brings honor to our country but are they singing for free?
i believe they would still play, besides, it's not only about the money that makes the world go round. and even as you say pride has a monetary equivalent, i'm sure deep inside such personalities you've mentioned, that they will fight, sing and offer their talents if our country's pride is at stake. if they don't, other talents will surely rise to the call.
RP team basketball pride is for the pinoy basketball fans only. Losing (even to indonesia) is not the end of the world for the country. Other pinoys who are not interested in basketball don't even care about our national team. does it make them less nationalistic than us?
maybe for now, since our national basketball team hasn't reached its target, but when it does, it's pretty sure the entire country will be will praying, hoping and cheering hard for its national team to bring glory to the country
one more thing, who has given more SACRIFICE? PBA teams and players who play for free abroad with the risk of injuries (and losing their livelihood/PBA teams losing their multi-million investments) or smart gilas players who receive compensation for playing in the NT?
for a PBA believer like you, of course it will be the PBA teams and players, but should we boast and bring this up if serving the country is a prime duty of every citizen? is it always about money? maybe this is the mentality being instilled or espoused in our country's only pro-league.
Again, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country..
Alex07
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Amen...
elcian
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realistically it is indeed not going through a war..
but if you'll consider the ordeal of these young lads, as if they are being sent to a war.. they're being trained like young soldiers which is tasked to defend our country's pride.
the problem with us is we always expect the to get something more or something in return for serving our country.
can we, once and for all serve our country without expecting something in return?
no wonder our country's a mess because we lack great sense of patriotism even to the extent that we include monetary or material considerations just to serve our country.
i wonder if these old line in the our old version of the national oath - "Panatang Makabayan" is still practiced or applied-
"Paglilingkuran ko ang aking bayan nang walang pag-iimbot at nang buong katapatan"
or selflessly and faithfully serve our country.
I still believe in the idea that our country's best and common interests should supersede individual interests when national interests and pride is at stake.
Borrowing JFK's words - "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country!"
Happy Independence Day!
Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!
Trans.: Onwards Philippine Basketball!!!
Have you ever read Luigi Pirandello's "War"? You know, where one soldier's parent was proud of his son being killed in battle at first, then breaking down at the end?
I think we've discussed that previously on Gameface.ph, on the U-18 thread, if I'm not mistaken. Unfortunately, you did not answer me on that. It seems you've brought your ad hominem ways here.
Make no mistake about it: I love my country no less than you do, and people here who know me personally can vouch for that. Nevertheless, I find your argument full of naivete, ad hominems, and bad logic.
Repeating manu_bol's contentions: A lot of Filipinos do not care about our national team. Including, yes, some of our foremost nationalists, who keep on stating that Filipinos are not inclined to be tall and would be better off trying other sports. I know one such person and was honored to have had shared drinks with him a few times. I did not agree with that person's opinion about basketball, but I agree with almost everything else he says. Does that make me less of a Team Pilipinas supporter?
Manu_bol and I have had our share of clashes in the past, but here is one thing that we agree upon: Service is not something to be coerced onto a person. Even in Junmar Fajardo's case, although I could digress and say that UC is coercing him into not playing for the national team. But that's best left for another thread.
What I'm trying to say here is that there are other factors than nationalism. Jimmy Alapag refused to play or was not included in last year's team because of a bad working relationship with the coach. Same with Hontiveros. Why would you work with people with whom you don't have rapport?
Second, players have to keep body and soul together; sometimes they have to keep their family's bodies and souls together as well. Smart Gilas players are fortunate to have compensation packages that are quite substantial, but what about PBA players who run the risk of career-threatening injury, not to mention time away from their families?
At some point, we all have to come down to earth and see what risks there are for our athletes. I was an athlete once, and believe me, balancing studies while trying to recover from a hamstring pull was no mean feat. What more these PBA players, trying to keep body and soul together, more often than not sacrificing time with those they love while trying to fend off injuries?
An athlete cannot feed his family on a torn ACL. A national team program costs money; it is not run on passion alone. There are other things to be considered. Only a fool will think that passion for country alone is enough to keep it going.
Do not get me wrong -- I am no PBA apologist, and I honestly think Smart Gilas is doing an awesome job representing our country. But sometimes, nationalism has to be tempered with pragmatism.
Maybe the country is a mess because some people cannot tolerate dissent. Because some people think in black and white and cannot see the gray areas in between.
manu_bol
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will winning inspire pinoys to work harder in their respective fields? did pacquiao inspire me to work harder as an engineer? i don't think so. but it will surely inspire the youth to play more basketball. we then become a nation of basketball players.
i remember that kind of inspiration the successful billiard team brought to the country. it was billiards craze all over the country. pool halls were sprouting all over the place. the youth learned to cut classes. the youth learned to gamble...
Nope, i don't believe they would. The fact that they are offered contracts by mvp means that without that offer they would go the pba to earn a living. i would've believed you if these players are currently playing for free.
uh still no. they would want RP to win but i don't think they'll be watching the game. it's still a matter of personal preference.
nope, just merely stating the facts here:
PBA players in the asiad - no compensation (aquino: "may allowance ba, coach?")
PBA teams - shouldered the expenses and risked their investments
smart gilas players - with "allowances"
maybe mvp should withdraw all allowances of the gilas players, para magkaka-alaman na kung sino ang patriotic.
not really applicable in basketball bro.
Alex07
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nope, just merely stating the facts here:
PBA players in the asiad - no compensation (aquino: "may allowance ba, coach?")
PBA teams - shouldered the expenses and risked their investments
smart gilas players - with "allowances"
maybe mvp should withdraw all allowances of the gilas players, para magkaka-alaman na kung sino ang patriotic.
not really applicable in basketball bro.
what's your point here? should we (considering infuencial enough to persuade MVP) demand the SBP to cut off the Gilas player's allowances? Is getting paid a measure of anyone's patriotism?Even volunteer workers are given compensation to cover up their expenses.Does that mess up the idea of volunteerism?
manu_bol
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Currently listening to a classic Freddie Aguilar song "Bulag, Pipi at Bingi"
haha. ka freddie has a different approach to nationalism...
you should sing tagalog daw
The key in team success is chemistry, if you have all the best players around but there is no good relationship on each other are still useless.
Take a look on the last US Dream 2002, most of their players has own pride and selfishness. Each of them wants to be a star and lead on the team until to compete each other. Then what happened?
If you will compare to the Original Dream Team, they have all the talent and chemistry because almost all of them are friends outside the basketball court. (MJ-BIRD-MAGIC-DAVID-BARKELEY-CLYDE et al)
As for Powerade, I don’t blame Coach Yeng because he chose the players that he thinks will fit on his system.
For me, if the players are either from PBA or from amateur as long as the system and chemistry works perfect it will be ok for me.
I’m only a basketball NT Fan, it is the SBP job to do their task and not me besides I’m not the one who’s paying the salaries of SBP. If they lost the bids on 2011 then move on, wait for another development just keep moving on.
BUT, to those people who’s putting DOWN our NT Team and if these team SUCCEEDS. I don’t want to see you shouting “MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!” Because if you will do so, two words... PAK YU! lol
Take a look on the last US Dream 2002, most of their players has own pride and selfishness. Each of them wants to be a star and lead on the team until to compete each other. Then what happened?
If you will compare to the Original Dream Team, they have all the talent and chemistry because almost all of them are friends outside the basketball court. (MJ-BIRD-MAGIC-DAVID-BARKELEY-CLYDE et al)
As for Powerade, I don’t blame Coach Yeng because he chose the players that he thinks will fit on his system.
For me, if the players are either from PBA or from amateur as long as the system and chemistry works perfect it will be ok for me.
I’m only a basketball NT Fan, it is the SBP job to do their task and not me besides I’m not the one who’s paying the salaries of SBP. If they lost the bids on 2011 then move on, wait for another development just keep moving on.
BUT, to those people who’s putting DOWN our NT Team and if these team SUCCEEDS. I don’t want to see you shouting “MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!” Because if you will do so, two words... PAK YU! lol
I disagree on this....when i see filipinos do well in their line of profession...i feel proud....it gives me hope that filipinos can compete with the best of the world.....it gives me the message that if you strive hard and focus on something...something good will come about it....when I see Pacquiao becoming the best boxer in the world..it tells me that any filipino can also do it if they really work hard for it....I agree that not everyone will feel this way but some will get that message and as long as there are some filipinos who get inspired by the achievements of their fellow filipinos...that's good enough to start the ball rolling in the right direction.
manu_bol
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the poster i was replying to was saying that he believe that gilas player will still play for the team for free
what expenses? they are paid for their skills and effort.
manu_bol
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a man strives to work hard to earn enough to feed his family for that day. if he doesn't earn enough, his family goes hungry. how's that for an inspiration and motivation to work hard. you don't need sports to do that.
pacquiao worked hard, not because he was inspired. he worked hard to live.
Its not just about sport....its about what you aspire in life...whether its your career...your education...or just being a good family man.....by doing your best and focusing on your objectives...you will get very far.
Pacquiao started boxing to earn a living...but he became a champion becuase he was focused to become a champion...he didnt need to become a champion just in order to live...he became the champion because he wants to be the best and he wants the Philippines to be proud..and hopefully inspire other sportsmen or ordinary filipinos to do their best in anything that they do.
People are motivated in different ways....a hungry person is motivated by food.....a career man is motivated by aspiring to be on top of the career ladder.....a person may be motivated by money, or by power, or by fame....whatever it is.....you can only get your goal if you work hard for it.....Pacquiao's motivation is to become the top boxer...he has already the money and he doesnt need to risk his body to continue boxing with dangerous opponents.....he showed to us that with dedication and sacrifice..one can reach his goal in life.
These motivations are not bad in themselves. A hungry person is motivated by food. I am motivated by the fact that I need to work to save up for the things I want to buy and do.
So why can't some people here accept the fact that athletes have the right to aspire for a better life by exercising their right to choose how they earn? Why can't we accept the fact that some people have aspirations other than to serve one's country on the playing field?
Furthermore, why can't we accept that some people choose to serve their country differently? How about generating a healthy dose of dissent to keep us all from being lambs that say nothing but "Yes"? Isn't that patriotic as well?
The more I look at some people's arguments here, the more I am inclined to think that rational discourse in IBN has all but died.
facaed2010
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The key in team success is chemistry, if you have all the best players around but there is no good relationship on each other are still useless.
Take a look on the last US Dream 2002, most of their players has own pride and selfishness. Each of them wants to be a star and lead on the team until to compete each other. Then what happened?
If you will compare to the Original Dream Team, they have all the talent and chemistry because almost all of them are friends outside the basketball court. (MJ-BIRD-MAGIC-DAVID-BARKELEY-CLYDE et al)
As for Powerade, I don’t blame Coach Yeng because he chose the players that he thinks will fit on his system.
For me, if the players are either from PBA or from amateur as long as the system and chemistry works perfect it will be ok for me.
I’m only a basketball NT Fan, it is the SBP job to do their task and not me besides I’m not the one who’s paying the salaries of SBP. If they lost the bids on 2011 then move on, wait for another development just keep moving on.
BUT, to those people who’s putting DOWN our NT Team and if these team SUCCEEDS. I don’t want to see you shouting “MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!” Because if you will do so, two words... PAK YU! lol
Will said Bugs.
Most of us Pinoys like that.. If we're lossing critics there and everywhere. but if we're winning and on the right track .. Lots of nice words you will hear from them and very encouraging..
one thing always in my mind.. No matter what happen to our NT in every competition they are participating I will always support them and includes in my prayers becoz on that small way I am proud to be PINOY.
I agree...people have different motivations...some athletes will sacrifice money to gain fame....some will demand for money......when Richard Gomez joined the Philippine Olympic Fencing team...he didnt do it to earn a salary..he did it because he wanted to be known as a good sportsman and he was just being competitive......What i'm saying here is that its not just always money.....once you've reached a certain level in terms of financial position...a person would aspire for something else.......For Chris Tiu's case..since he is already earning salary a TV host and as ad model....I dont think that the reason he is playing for Gilas is to earn the Gilas allowance....I think he is there for the honour to play in the national team and make a name as a very good basketball player.
Maybe. Then again, not everyone in the Smart Gilas pool has the opportunities that Chris Tiu has. The guy was already made even before he was born.
It is so easy to deride a Rico Maierhofer for skipping Gilas and joining the PBA draft. That is, until you look closer and find that he has a family to feed.
Everybody has his/her own set of motivations.
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