SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. X)
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jvandread
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Well it's the PBA who does not want to unite by lending there players to the national team. They always have a lot of condition just to lend the PBA players to the National team and most of the condition i guess it involves money.
manu_bol
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what's your most precious possession? imagine lending it to the national team, unconditionally...
could you do that?
cod3breaker
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what's your most precious possession? imagine lending it to the national team, unconditionally...
could you do that?
Ask if he could lend his GF. kidding.
Giant_Dagul
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The Philippines is composed of 7,100 islands with different dialects, cultures and personalities. So don't wonder why we can't get our heads together for a common cause just because of basketball.
D_I_A
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what's your most precious possession? imagine lending it to the national team, unconditionally...
could you do that?
it's your country that's asking..
I understand your views Neo...using that same logic....coach guiao is wrong in saying that the solution for the national team is to send the best talented PBA players like the Powerade team....that is how this whole discussion started...I understand that some people here have the view also to send PBA players again and I am against that position.
Nonetheless...thank you for your respectful response unlike some people in this forum.
durden_tyler
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Thanks neo, manu and some for covering. What they said was exactly what i would have meant. And yeah, over time some people will earn the respect they deserve--- just ask neo, manu and some, we clashed heads, we exchanged tough words but at the end of the day we ALWAYS always try to understand/see the argument from the other perspective.
But yeah whatever, from Bonifacio's last statement:
Let it be known that my position is to send the best available player(s)--- be it from PBA, Liga, PBL, UAAP, NCAA, CESAFI, Any College Leagues Inter-Barangay, Inter-Color level. That's the kind of bias i have--- which is very unlike your open bias against the league. (to not "to send PBA players again")
I, too agree with this. But I would like to add the condition that whoever gets included in the national pool should prioritize the NT above their mother league, at least until all members get acquainted to the system of play, to the coach/es and their team.
The charity game (Powerade vs Gilas), just proves the point that a better prepared team can beat a less prepared team even if the latter has more individual skills/talents.
Question is, would the PBA allow their talents to prioritize the National Team? Otherwise, forget about sending another ill-prepared, all-PBA team.
manu_bol
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really? without insurance or assurance of something in return?
what if that most valuable possession of yours get irreparably damaged?
... and besides, it's not like we're at war...
it's just basketball...
Thank you for clearing that as I got the impression that you were so pro-PBA when you got so over sensitive when I made the comment that Gilas beat Powerade by 30 points.
I still believe that the Gilas players are the most prepared right now in international competition...look at what happened to Lutz..he got great credentials...but when he played in the Doha team...his value was minimal....however I still believe in time that he will be able to get comfortable with the Gilas system if he continues to fully focus and play with them regularly.....just sending the best players are not sufficient...look again at what happened to Powerade where we sent the best PBA players.....they failed miserably in the international competition....I believe that we need the Gilas system wher they can concentrate and focus playing as a national team...right now, the GIlas players are doing that and that is why I believe in them....sending the best players in PBA, Liga, PBL, UAAP, NCAA, CESAFI, Any College Leagues Inter-Barangay, Inter-Color level without sacrificing and focusing to play in the national team for a long duration of time will not work...that is my opinion....so I dont agree in your bias that we can just send the best players without them giving full focus to play in the Gilas system
durden_tyler
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Come on now. Of course that is a basic requirement: preparation and long-term planning, which is what Gilas is doing. If you can have the same preparation and long-term planning using the best of the best from PBA, Liga, PBL, UAAP, NCAA, CESAFI, Any College Leagues Inter-Barangay, Inter-Color level, isn't it a safe assumption that indeed that is the ideal set-up?
So yeah, in that sense ultimately the SBP (maybe not this year maybe not immediately after 2012) needs the PBA so that they get the best available players (Case in point: The Ultra Aggressive Acquisition of Kelly Williams) for the best possible chance to win.
i can respect the fact that you think that this current Gilas core is a potent, talented and focused group that could lead us all the way to London. i can NOT respect the fact you don't think we need all the help we can get--- especially from the PBA, because the best players are there. Enough time and training with Toroman, and they could be as valuable as some of this Gilas players if not more.
Which leads us back to PBA's (no, SOME board's) commitment to the NT... Which brings us back to SBP's rather passive stand with regards to the PBA and its responsibility to the NT...
Which brings us round and round and round and round and round.
Isnt that what Gilas is doing now..getting the best players from UAAP, NCAA, CESAFI, fil-ams educated abroad...and maybe Williams as the "best" player in the PBA (as long as he gives full time to Gilas)....that is why I believe in the Gilas system because they make sure that whoever is in the national team can dedicate their full time playing as a national team....I dont believe in making hugot from teams just because they are the best player in that league without proper preparation...so maybe we are talking about the same thing...as long as the player can dedicate themselves fully to the national team.....for me, I think that applies to the current members of the Gilas team....i dont believe in getting Paul Lee or Junmar Fajardo (both very good players in their own leagues) who cant provide their time (for one reason or another) to the national team.....PBA players???..no thanks if they cant dedicate their full focus to the national team.
reamily
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^^ hopefully all the posters here thinks the way you and durden do
I still do not believe kelly and other pba uaap ncaa players outside the present gilas team would be there in gilas full time the whole year maybe a 4-5 months with honest preparation would do.
I think for the posters who do not want to be reprimanded just always attack the idea not the person.
I still do not believe kelly and other pba uaap ncaa players outside the present gilas team would be there in gilas full time the whole year maybe a 4-5 months with honest preparation would do.
I think for the posters who do not want to be reprimanded just always attack the idea not the person.
manu_bol
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^^ hopefully all the posters here thinks the way you and durden do
I still do not believe kelly and other pba uaap ncaa players outside the present gilas team would be there in gilas full time the whole year maybe a 4-5 months with honest preparation would do.
I think for the posters who do not want to be reprimanded just always attack the idea not the person.
ultimately, its the players who can decide for themselves.
let's not single out the PBA for not lending their investments. we could describe the same un-nationalistic actions to lee, rico, fajardo/UC, and maybe marcio and rabeh.
i don't think these gilas guys will stick with gilas if they are not given allowances by mvp. MONEY talks.
blame capitalism... but since we're all living comfortably under it, im not complaining.
D_I_A
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really? without insurance or assurance of something in return?
what if that most valuable possession of yours get irreparably damaged?
... and besides, it's not like we're at war...
it's just basketball...
realistically it is indeed not going through a war..
but if you'll consider the ordeal of these young lads, as if they are being sent to a war.. they're being trained like young soldiers which is tasked to defend our country's pride.
the problem with us is we always expect the to get something more or something in return for serving our country.
can we, once and for all serve our country without expecting something in return?
no wonder our country's a mess because we lack great sense of patriotism even to the extent that we include monetary or material considerations just to serve our country.
i wonder if these old line in the our old version of the national oath - "Panatang Makabayan" is still practiced or applied-
"Paglilingkuran ko ang aking bayan nang walang pag-iimbot at nang buong katapatan"
or selflessly and faithfully serve our country.
I still believe in the idea that our country's best and common interests should supersede individual interests when national interests and pride is at stake.
Borrowing JFK's words - "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country!"
Happy Independence Day!
Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!
Trans.: Onwards Philippine Basketball!!!
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reamily
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but as always this things are easier said than done even with us who tagged as the hope of our country (imo I think we sould not only carry the tag, it should be all the youth).
malayong lupain amin mang marating
Di rin magbabago ang damdamin , di rin magbabago ang damdamin
trans: No matter how far we would go our heart would still be..
malayong lupain amin mang marating
Di rin magbabago ang damdamin , di rin magbabago ang damdamin
trans: No matter how far we would go our heart would still be..
kaiziken_pinas
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realistically it is indeed not going through a war..
but if you'll consider the ordeal of these young lads, as if they are being sent to a war.. they're being trained like young soldiers which is tasked to defend our country's pride.
the problem with us is we always expect the to get something more or something in return for serving our country.
can we, once and for all serve our country without expecting something in return?
no wonder our country's a mess because we lack great sense of patriotism even to the extent that we include monetary or material considerations just to serve our country.
i wonder if these old line in the our old version of the national oath - "Panatang Makabayan" is still practiced or applied-
"Paglilingkuran ko ang aking bayan nang walang pag-iimbot at nang buong katapatan"
or selflessly and faithfully serve our country.
I still believe in the idea that our country's best and common interests should supersede individual interests when national interests and pride is at stake.
Borrowing JFK's words - "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country!"
Happy Independence Day!
Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!
Trans.: Onwards Philippine Basketball!!!
we would have been a first world country if everyone thinks like you do.
it's sad though,realistically speaking, that most do not.
manu_bol
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realistically it is indeed not going through a war..
but if you'll consider the ordeal of these young lads, as if they are being sent to a war.. they're being trained like young soldiers which is tasked to defend our country's pride.
the problem with us is we always expect the to get something more or something in return for serving our country.
can we, once and for all serve our country without expecting something in return?
no wonder our country's a mess because we lack great sense of patriotism even to the extent that we include monetary or material considerations just to serve our country.
i wonder if these old line in the our old version of the national oath - "Panatang Makabayan" is still practiced or applied-
"Paglilingkuran ko ang aking bayan nang walang pag-iimbot at nang buong katapatan"
or selflessly and faithfully serve our country.
I still believe in the idea that our country's best and common interests should supersede individual interests when national interests and pride is at stake.
Borrowing JFK's words - "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country!"
Happy Independence Day!
Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!
Trans.: Onwards Philippine Basketball!!!
first of all, playing basketball is not the only way to serve your country. Its not even an effective way to do it. Can you feed millions of hungry pinoys by winning the basketball gold in london? Can you help the economy that way? Can you eradicate graft and corruption thru success in sports? you can be a good filipino citizen even if you refuse to play for your national team.
as with my previous post, do you think that these gilas players will play for gilas without the allowances mvp is giving them?
besides, pride has a monetary equivalent. pacquiao brings pride to RP but earns a billion pesos in return. lea salonga and charice brings honor to our country but are they singing for free?
RP team basketball pride is for the pinoy basketball fans only. Losing (even to indonesia) is not the end of the world for the country. Other pinoys who are not interested in basketball don't even care about our national team. does it make them less nationalistic than us?
one more thing, who has given more SACRIFICE? PBA teams and players who play for free abroad with the risk of injuries (and losing their livelihood/PBA teams losing their multi-million investments) or smart gilas players who receive compensation for playing in the NT?
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