Philippine NT might be suspended again!!!
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c_d
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This was a well planned action by Ching, Dato Yeoh and their BAP cohorts. If the Philippines is barred from participating in Tianjin, it's Dato Yeoh's team, Malaysia, that will take our slot. This will be a big test for us guys and our young basketball federation.
In case we get suspended again, my wish for the SBP is for it to continue to exist as a private organization and maintain its age-group teams just like how a private club team would maintain its teams. It just probably has to change the names of its teams like Nokia-RP Youth to Nokia-NBTC and Smart Gilas-RP to just simply Smart Gilas.
In case we get suspended again, my wish for the SBP is for it to continue to exist as a private organization and maintain its age-group teams just like how a private club team would maintain its teams. It just probably has to change the names of its teams like Nokia-RP Youth to Nokia-NBTC and Smart Gilas-RP to just simply Smart Gilas.
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RetiredJordanStopper
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They can only suggest, but government intervention is against the charter of the IOC.
TrueBluePinoy
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If RP gets suspended, I'll be rooting for this NT:
VERY NICE.
VERY NICE.
donmar
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"Kazakhstan!, greatest country in the world.. all other countries are run by little girls (one of them is GMA
)... "
RetiredJordanStopper
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if we do get suspended, it would be a consolation if FIBA does it sooner than later. With FIBA Asia Touney coming up, time is indeed of the essence. I hope there are still ample time to seek an audience with the Court of Arbitration For Sports and for its ruling before the tournament takes place.
nardy
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the President of FIBA is Australian but am not sure if Dr. Carl Men Ky Ching was instrumental in having Bob Elphinston elected as his replacement. His term is from 2006 upto 2010.
This gives me an idea, if ever we survive this threat of suspension this year, why not make our own MVP make himself available for the position of FIBA President come election at the 2010 World Basketball Championship in Istanbul, Turkey.
http://www.malaya.com.ph/jun25/spor3.htm
EVEN at the risk of courting another suspension from the International Basketball Federation, Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas president Manny Pangilinan said they will not attend the meeting called by the FIBA next month to tackle what the world body said is an "internal dispute" in local basketball.
During a press briefing in Makati, Pangilinan said the SBP will not recognize the authority of the special commission tasked by the FIBA to mediate in the meeting set on July 20-22 at the FIBA headquarters in Geneva unless the world body explained the reason behind the creation of the special commission. The invitation for the meeting was sent last June 20.
Aside from the SBP, also invited to meeting the meeting are officials of the Basketball Association of the Philippines, among them Graham Lim, whose reinstatement to the FIBA Youth Commission is being challenged by the SBP.
FIBA secretary-general emeritus Borislav Stankovic has been tasked to head the commission, with FIBA legal commission chief Ken Madsen and FIBA honorary president Carl Ching Menky as members.
"We were given a letter last year where FIBA affirmed its support to us," Pangilinan said. "SBP should stand up to this kind of treatment and expose them for what they really are.
"We’re asking you, FIBA, to tell us what went wrong," Pangilinan said. "Tell us, why are you doing this? We’re not questioning your powers, or your authority to investigate, but we want to know, what are the charges? Why are you bringing me to court with the threat of suspension?
"We wrote them a letter, saying ‘no’ to their invitation in Geneva unless they explain why we should go there. I think we deserve respect. We need to know what this is all about."
The country has been suspended thrice before by the world body, the last time in 2005.
Pangilinan’s major concern is the participation of Powerade-Team Pilipinas in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China on Aug. 6-16, the qualifier for the 2010 World Championship in Turkey.
Pangilinan said FIBA should instead hold an investigation after the FIBA-Asia meet.
"Our participation in Tianjin is being hostaged," Pangilinan said. "If that’s what they want, then let’s do it after Aug. 16."
Menky is a close friend of Lim, the former BAP secretary-general, and controversial sports leader Go Teng Kok, a former BAP president.
this is bullshit! where are you bauhmann??? say something!!! sbp was just following your orders... these chinese triumvirates should all burn in hell!!!
EVEN at the risk of courting another suspension from the International Basketball Federation, Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas president Manny Pangilinan said they will not attend the meeting called by the FIBA next month to tackle what the world body said is an "internal dispute" in local basketball.
During a press briefing in Makati, Pangilinan said the SBP will not recognize the authority of the special commission tasked by the FIBA to mediate in the meeting set on July 20-22 at the FIBA headquarters in Geneva unless the world body explained the reason behind the creation of the special commission. The invitation for the meeting was sent last June 20.
Aside from the SBP, also invited to meeting the meeting are officials of the Basketball Association of the Philippines, among them Graham Lim, whose reinstatement to the FIBA Youth Commission is being challenged by the SBP.
FIBA secretary-general emeritus Borislav Stankovic has been tasked to head the commission, with FIBA legal commission chief Ken Madsen and FIBA honorary president Carl Ching Menky as members.
"We were given a letter last year where FIBA affirmed its support to us," Pangilinan said. "SBP should stand up to this kind of treatment and expose them for what they really are.
"We’re asking you, FIBA, to tell us what went wrong," Pangilinan said. "Tell us, why are you doing this? We’re not questioning your powers, or your authority to investigate, but we want to know, what are the charges? Why are you bringing me to court with the threat of suspension?
"We wrote them a letter, saying ‘no’ to their invitation in Geneva unless they explain why we should go there. I think we deserve respect. We need to know what this is all about."
The country has been suspended thrice before by the world body, the last time in 2005.
Pangilinan’s major concern is the participation of Powerade-Team Pilipinas in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China on Aug. 6-16, the qualifier for the 2010 World Championship in Turkey.
Pangilinan said FIBA should instead hold an investigation after the FIBA-Asia meet.
"Our participation in Tianjin is being hostaged," Pangilinan said. "If that’s what they want, then let’s do it after Aug. 16."
Menky is a close friend of Lim, the former BAP secretary-general, and controversial sports leader Go Teng Kok, a former BAP president.
this is bullshit! where are you bauhmann??? say something!!! sbp was just following your orders... these chinese triumvirates should all burn in hell!!!
nardy
Active member
They could only suspend us if we do not show-up on July 20-22 for the meeting with the special committee formed by the FIBA at Geneva, Switzerland.
If we get suspended on the last week of July there is no more time to get an appeal before the August 6 opening at Tianjin.
It's like 1983 all over again but in a larger scale .... we are being set-up again.
I do hope the other countries would see this as an eye-opener in which what's happening to us could also happen to them. I do feel we need to get support from the other Basketball Federations especially from the Top teams of the world.
paolylo
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i liken Prospero Pichay to Waterworld. Filipinos will remember him as the guy who has the most expensive senate campaign in Philippine history... just like that stupid movie about some Muro-Ami wannabe with gills on his ears looking for dry land, no one voted for him. loser.
i'd prefer he stick to chess or surfing instead. Philippine basketball is better off without him and that Taiwanese jerk.
i'd prefer he stick to chess or surfing instead. Philippine basketball is better off without him and that Taiwanese jerk.
i hope fiba will understand the sbp. threatening them by means of suspension is just unfair. where's the due process here? just explain to them the reasons... and why not ask Mr. Baumann about his letter dated last year (May 13, 2008) that was sent to the SBP stating that:
(i) FIBA is fully supporting the SBP and its President Manuel V Pangilinan and its Board of Trustees;
(ii) FIBA will disregard any communication coming from the former BAP “as it has no rights with FIBA”; and
(iii) FIBA is dismissing Mr. Graham Lim with immediate effect from his membership in the FIBA Youth Commission, citing his “continuous actions to disrupt the proper functioning of the SBP as “unacceptable”.
time to stand up bauhmann!
(i) FIBA is fully supporting the SBP and its President Manuel V Pangilinan and its Board of Trustees;
(ii) FIBA will disregard any communication coming from the former BAP “as it has no rights with FIBA”; and
(iii) FIBA is dismissing Mr. Graham Lim with immediate effect from his membership in the FIBA Youth Commission, citing his “continuous actions to disrupt the proper functioning of the SBP as “unacceptable”.
time to stand up bauhmann!
rhk111
Contributor
The Philippines is NOT the problem, as far as basketball organizations are concerned.
Basketball in the Philippines is king, so how the hell could it have a problem when it comes to basketball? You have countries like Malaysia and Hong Kong, where basketball is sh.. in terms of popularity, and then FIBA is going to say the Philippines has a problem?
This is bullsh..
The problem, is FIBA itself. It has allowed its ranks to be corrupted by certain unscrupulous personalities, personalities linked to organized crime and corruption, personalities who are used to thinking that just because they are in power, then can get away with anything they want in their countries.
It really pis... me off to think that the country is under the threat of suspension again, just because of the political manipulation of some unscrupulous characters within FIBA itself. The bastar.. stir up trouble in the Philippines, then suspends the whole country just because of the trouble they stirred up.
This is just totally unacceptable.
A basketball crazy country, being treated like a rag, while other, more affluent countries where basketball is sh.. ends up getting away with politicking.
Totally unacceptable.
Basketball in the Philippines is king, so how the hell could it have a problem when it comes to basketball? You have countries like Malaysia and Hong Kong, where basketball is sh.. in terms of popularity, and then FIBA is going to say the Philippines has a problem?
This is bullsh..
The problem, is FIBA itself. It has allowed its ranks to be corrupted by certain unscrupulous personalities, personalities linked to organized crime and corruption, personalities who are used to thinking that just because they are in power, then can get away with anything they want in their countries.
It really pis... me off to think that the country is under the threat of suspension again, just because of the political manipulation of some unscrupulous characters within FIBA itself. The bastar.. stir up trouble in the Philippines, then suspends the whole country just because of the trouble they stirred up.
This is just totally unacceptable.
A basketball crazy country, being treated like a rag, while other, more affluent countries where basketball is sh.. ends up getting away with politicking.
Totally unacceptable.
businessmirror.com.ph
The “usual suspects” are back for a sequel.
After lurking in the shadows for a while, Graham Lim and long-time ally Go Teng Kok emerged to share the spotlight anew, being named the culprits in a new controversy that again puts the country’s campaign in international basketball events in peril.
Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) president Manny Pangilinan said on Wednesday there is an “implicit threat” from the Fiba of suspending the country anew in international tournaments for what the world governing body of the sport perceives as a failure by SBP to iron out unity issues in local basketball.
Local basketball’s governing body pointed to Lim and Go, who played big roles in the operations of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) before the SBP was given recognition by Fiba, as the culprits.
Last month, years since SBP took over as the national association for the sport, Fiba created a “Special Commission for the Philippines” that is tasked to iron out the SBP’s “constitutional legitimacy.”
The group is composed of Fiba secretary-general emeritus Borislav Stankovic, vice president of legal commission Ken Madsen and Carl Menky Ching, a known ally of Lim and Go.
In a press conference in his PLDT office in Makati City, Pangilinan was visibly upset while discussing Fiba’s June 20 letter summoning him and other officials of the SBP to a meeting with Fiba brass from July 20 to 22 in the world governing body’s headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland.
The SBP main man said Fiba is asking them to attend a meeting, with an implicit threat of suspension while providing no further detail regarding the agenda.
SBP vice chairman Ricky Vargas expressed doubts on the composition of the commission and the decision that will be reached by the group is expected to favor BAP.
Vargas believes that because BAP has nowhere to run after Philippine courts decided with finality that the SBP is the sole legitimate basketball body in the country, the other group’s last resort was to use its influence in Fiba.
“This is a ‘barkada system’ in Fiba. While we try to deal with them professionally, apparently they want more than professionalism to that barkada system that Graham Lim has offered to them over the years,” said Vargas.
Pangilinan said they will not attend the meeting.
“This is really unfair not only to the national team but also to the country, which has been the victim of this ongoing debate by the SBP and BAP. It’s not right, not fair and I don’t think it’s just,” said Pangilinan.
“Unless they [Fiba] tell us what’s the reason for this [meeting], our [letter] to them is no, we will not attend,” he added.
“We deserve to know. They may have the power in [suspension] but I’m assuming they have the basis of suspending a member and must be of grave reason. You just can’t abuse your authority and say I have the power of suspension and when I wake up one day, I want to suspend you because I don’t like your face.”
The first casualty could be the Powerade-Philippine basketball team that will compete in the Fiba-Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China, from August 6 to 16.
“Those dates [of the Geneva meeting] were clearly chosen ahead of the Tianjin tournament to force SBP to bend to the terms of Fiba,” Pangilinan said.
“No question of motives here, coercing an existing and legitimate member which they have recognized to be forced or coerced to submit into terms that it may or may not like. May precedent na ito sa nangyari sa BAP Bapi [BAP Inc.] that led to the demise of Bapi and possibly could also happen to SBP.”
“We will not be cowed by this because we are professionals. We made a commitment to run Philippine basketball as professional as we can,” he added. “We have a sense of pride as Filipinos.”
Vargas added that attending the meeting in Geneva would be an insult to the SBP as he felt that they are being punished without being told the allegations.
“Siguro ang Fiba kailangan na rin magbago,” said Vargas. “It’s now time for us to stand up and tell them [Fiba] hindi kami natatakot because we know what we are doing is right.”
Pangilinan described the special commission as a “hang jury” and the meeting will just be a “moro-moro” as Baumann has not responded to their 10-page letter to Fiba on the issue.
“We should be outraged by this kind of approach, behavior or treatment. I think the SBP should stand up and expose them for what they really are,” Pangilinan said.
PBA chairman Joaqui Trillo even urged the public to get mad and make a stand on the issue.
“We have to show these guys that they are clowns,” said Trillo.
pachador
Active member
does fiba even know the obvious that graham is not a filipino citizen and should have already been deported ? Does FIBA rules state that only a citizen of the country can represent that country ? If that is the case, then FIBA should not even talk to graham since he is not a filipino citizen. Does FIBA know of the crime connections of his friend ? Did SBP already pursue this line of attack in letting FIBA and IOC know what Graham is a not a filipino citizen, and that the Philippine supreme court has already rule he should be deported?
ma4ma
Member
SBP assails Fiba special body inquiry
By Nelson Beltran Updated June 25, 2009 12:00 AM
SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan discusses the SBP stand against the FIBA special commission. Others in photo are, from left, PBA chair Joaqui Trillo, SBP vice-chair Ricky Vargas, PBL chair MIkee Romero and SBP executive director Noli Eala. Jun Mendoza
| Zoom MANILA, Philippines – The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, under the leadership of telecoms main man Manny V. Pangilinan, yesterday stressed it will not participate in any proceedings to be undertaken by a “Fiba Special Commission” formed by the Fiba Central Committee to help “resolve ongoing controversy” in Philippine basketball.
In a press conference at the PLDT office in Makati, Pangilinan and the SBP board deplored the Fiba move, which they considered “unwarranted intrusion to the affairs of a national federation.”
The SBP president said they should protest this move even as he expressed concern the country may be suspended again by the Fiba and the Powerade Team Pilipinas be barred from competing in the Fiba Asia championship in Tianjin, China on Aug. 6-16.
In the same conference, the SBP distributed copies of an 11-page letter it sent to the Fiba on June 12, maintaining its stand not submit itself to the jurisdiction of the special commission.
Fiba secretary general Patrick Bauhmann had a short reply on June 18, strongly urging the SBP “to participate in these meetings which are held exclusively in the interest of the future of Philippine basketball.”
Two days later, special commission chairman Boris Stankovic summoned the leaders of the SBP and the Basketball Association of the Philippines to a meeting in Geneva on July 20-22.
But Pangilinan stressed they’re not coming unless the Fiba “clears to us the real mandate, jurisdiction and scope of authority by the special commission.”
“Why would we enter that when we know it’s a hang jury. They should tell us first the rules of court, how do they judge us,” said Pangilinan.
SBP vice chairman Ricky Vargas questioned the formation and composition of the commission.
“By his admission on news reports, athletics chief Go Teng Kok arranged the meeting between BAP and Fiba leaders in Hong Kong. Then came the announcement of the formation of the commission and who will form the commission? We will not be cowed by this barkada ( buddy) system. They’re using a lot of influence. Siguro kailangan na rin magbago ng Fiba (I think there’s a need for a change in Fiba , too) ,” rued Vargas.
SBP executive director Noli Eala said they will write Fiba another letter, asking the international federation to tell them what this meeting is really all about.
Pangilinan felt the dates of the meeting were clearly chosen for “the SBP to be held hostage.”
“It was set ahead of the Aug. 6 Tianjin tourney to force SBP to bend to the wishes of Fiba. I think it’s not fair, correct and just. The country is made victim and the team pawn to this kind of controversy,” Pangilinan said.
Pangilinan and the SBP trustees were confused and saddened by Fiba’s turnaround from its previous decision, giving full support to the BAP-SBP under Pangilinan, the expulsion of BAP and dismissal of Graham Lim as member of the Fiba Youth Commission.
The Fiba secretary general clearly stated these in a letter to Pangilinan on May 13, 2008.
“In that light, Fiba should have advised the SBP as to the circumstances and events which may have occurred since May 13 as to cause such a fundamental change in the Fiba Central Board’s position in respect of the issues concerning the legitimacy of SBP and Mr. Graham Lim’s suitability to serve as a member of the Fiba Youth Commission,” the SBP said.
The SBP assailed the Fiba for entertaining BAP’s continuous complaints when the world body, in a decision on May 13, said it would no longer recognize any communications coming from the BAP.
“The fact is that the SBP has never been advised of these “various correspondences and continuous complaints, much less furnished with copies of these supposed documents and given an opportunity to address or rebut them prior to Fiba making any decision in respect of the matter,” the SBP said.
The SBP stressed the Philippine Court of Appeals has already affirmed SBP’s compliance with the Bangkok Agreement and the Tokyo Communique.
“We should emphasize that it was the BAP which initiated the judicial action challenging the legitimacy of the June 12, 2008 SBP National Congress and elections. We regard this legal step by the BAP to be significant because it clearly demonstrates its intention and preference to have the matter decided by our Philippine judicial system,” said Pangilinan.
By Nelson Beltran Updated June 25, 2009 12:00 AM
SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan discusses the SBP stand against the FIBA special commission. Others in photo are, from left, PBA chair Joaqui Trillo, SBP vice-chair Ricky Vargas, PBL chair MIkee Romero and SBP executive director Noli Eala. Jun Mendoza
| Zoom MANILA, Philippines – The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, under the leadership of telecoms main man Manny V. Pangilinan, yesterday stressed it will not participate in any proceedings to be undertaken by a “Fiba Special Commission” formed by the Fiba Central Committee to help “resolve ongoing controversy” in Philippine basketball.
In a press conference at the PLDT office in Makati, Pangilinan and the SBP board deplored the Fiba move, which they considered “unwarranted intrusion to the affairs of a national federation.”
The SBP president said they should protest this move even as he expressed concern the country may be suspended again by the Fiba and the Powerade Team Pilipinas be barred from competing in the Fiba Asia championship in Tianjin, China on Aug. 6-16.
In the same conference, the SBP distributed copies of an 11-page letter it sent to the Fiba on June 12, maintaining its stand not submit itself to the jurisdiction of the special commission.
Fiba secretary general Patrick Bauhmann had a short reply on June 18, strongly urging the SBP “to participate in these meetings which are held exclusively in the interest of the future of Philippine basketball.”
Two days later, special commission chairman Boris Stankovic summoned the leaders of the SBP and the Basketball Association of the Philippines to a meeting in Geneva on July 20-22.
But Pangilinan stressed they’re not coming unless the Fiba “clears to us the real mandate, jurisdiction and scope of authority by the special commission.”
“Why would we enter that when we know it’s a hang jury. They should tell us first the rules of court, how do they judge us,” said Pangilinan.
SBP vice chairman Ricky Vargas questioned the formation and composition of the commission.
“By his admission on news reports, athletics chief Go Teng Kok arranged the meeting between BAP and Fiba leaders in Hong Kong. Then came the announcement of the formation of the commission and who will form the commission? We will not be cowed by this barkada ( buddy) system. They’re using a lot of influence. Siguro kailangan na rin magbago ng Fiba (I think there’s a need for a change in Fiba , too) ,” rued Vargas.
SBP executive director Noli Eala said they will write Fiba another letter, asking the international federation to tell them what this meeting is really all about.
Pangilinan felt the dates of the meeting were clearly chosen for “the SBP to be held hostage.”
“It was set ahead of the Aug. 6 Tianjin tourney to force SBP to bend to the wishes of Fiba. I think it’s not fair, correct and just. The country is made victim and the team pawn to this kind of controversy,” Pangilinan said.
Pangilinan and the SBP trustees were confused and saddened by Fiba’s turnaround from its previous decision, giving full support to the BAP-SBP under Pangilinan, the expulsion of BAP and dismissal of Graham Lim as member of the Fiba Youth Commission.
The Fiba secretary general clearly stated these in a letter to Pangilinan on May 13, 2008.
“In that light, Fiba should have advised the SBP as to the circumstances and events which may have occurred since May 13 as to cause such a fundamental change in the Fiba Central Board’s position in respect of the issues concerning the legitimacy of SBP and Mr. Graham Lim’s suitability to serve as a member of the Fiba Youth Commission,” the SBP said.
The SBP assailed the Fiba for entertaining BAP’s continuous complaints when the world body, in a decision on May 13, said it would no longer recognize any communications coming from the BAP.
“The fact is that the SBP has never been advised of these “various correspondences and continuous complaints, much less furnished with copies of these supposed documents and given an opportunity to address or rebut them prior to Fiba making any decision in respect of the matter,” the SBP said.
The SBP stressed the Philippine Court of Appeals has already affirmed SBP’s compliance with the Bangkok Agreement and the Tokyo Communique.
“We should emphasize that it was the BAP which initiated the judicial action challenging the legitimacy of the June 12, 2008 SBP National Congress and elections. We regard this legal step by the BAP to be significant because it clearly demonstrates its intention and preference to have the matter decided by our Philippine judicial system,” said Pangilinan.
sickcurtain_16
Active member
Hope we get the support of the MEDIA especially the INTERNATIONAL MEDIA. Calling the DEAN and his FRIENDS on the INTERNATIONAL SPORTS MEDIA.
You know guys.. Im just an ordinary poster here in IBN and just like all of you im very excited with the recent basketball developements since SBP came about. My day is not complete with out reading the news on the latest happenings involving the national team. Needless to say i will be very dissapointed if Philippines gets suspended for the second time but sometimes there are more to life than just getting what we want, what we need and what we deserve and that to me is standing up to what you believe is right and just no matter what the consequence. So if FIBA chooses to abuse its authority and suspends Philippnes for the second time then so be it. I will always choose a suspended SBP with MVP as the president with all of its short comings over a FIBA recognized BAP with dirt bags Graham LIM, Go Teng Kok, Pichay and Villafuerte anytime anyday.
God bless Philippine basketball and God bless SBP!
God bless Philippine basketball and God bless SBP!
durden_tyler
Active member
i guess that's enough time for SBP to meet with FIBA even before that "special committee" meeting. Even before that time comes, they should be able to settle whatever the differences, or at least, air SBP's side regarding the matter.