PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. II)

[bognut2]

Douthit has been playing overseas as a pro. So this means that he's not eligible to join the draft, coz it's for amateurs.

I think Adducul was drafted in the PBA and he played many years in the defunct MBA.

I think Douthit joining the PBA will be great! atleast for Slaughter and Fajardo when they enter the PBA. They'll have Dawtit as their competition.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

My understanding on the rule of the PBA treating pro players from other leagues is that they have to go through the rookie draft like anyone else. Which explains why Jason Castro and Rudy Lingganay went through the draft, which also explains why former MBA MVP John Ferriols went through the draft as well when he turned pro.

Just to refresh, the PBA enforced the rule of treating pro players from other leagues to become automatic free agents with the advent of the MBA. Threatened by the MBA's popularity, the knee-jerk reaction of the league was to allow MBA players to become free agents right away, making it easier for them to join the PBA. Hence, guys like Rudy Hatfield, JJ Helterbrand and Dondon Hontiveros found themselves playing for teams like Tanduay and Ginebra. That was also the reason for the direct hire rule, which allowed different PBA teams to secure players from the MBA without going through the rookie draft.

But the PBA altered the rule when the MBA folded up in 2002. Hence, at the start of the 2002 season, MBA players who went to the PBA had to go through the rookie draft. Former MBA MVP winners like 2000 winner Romel Adducul (2nd overall pick of 2003), 1998 winner John Ferriols (12th overall pick of 2003) and 2001 winner Eddie Laure (3rd overall pick of 2003) all went through the PBA rookie draft. It only showed that the direct hire rule implemented in 2000 was merely an offshoot of the threat that the MBA posed to the league.

Hence, the rule on pro players not going through the draft anymore isn't applicable. Every player will have to go through the draft - Douthit or otherwise.

 

[nardy2]

Douthit has been playing overseas as a pro. So this means that he's not eligible to join the draft, coz it's for amateurs.

Am sorry that's not correct as that is not how the the Rookie Draft works. After the FIBA declared Basketball as an OPEN competition, the term 'amateur' had become passe.

Remember the MBA players, after the initial influx of players as direct hires especially the Fil-foreign players, these MBA players have to pass thru the draft in order to get into the PBA.

In the 2001 PBA Draft, the Express held the first overall pick in the draft. Initially, the FedEx expressed its desire to draft MBA MVP Rommel Adducul, but his MBA team the Batangas Blades denied Adducul's request for a release. With this, FedEx nabbed Saint Francis of Assisi College System 6-foot-9 center Yancy de Ocampo as their first-ever pick as a PBA team. Rommel Adducul finally made his PBA debut after his years with the Metropolitan Basketball Association. Barangay Ginebra selected the former San Sebastian College - Recoletos Stag as the No. 2 pick in the 2003 draft. Adducul while playing in the MBA is earning more than PhP 500,000 a month with the LBC-Batangas Blades at that time. He is not an "amateur" player at the strictest terms as he is actually earning much-much more than a number of players at the PBA during that time, when Romel entered the league, the PBA had set a maximum salary limit of PhP 350,000 per month.

Other 'Professional' MBA players who entered the PBA via the PBA Rookie Draft are Donbel Belano (1999 Draft 14th pick overall), Willie Miller (2001 Draft #1), Gilbert Demape (2001 #4), Francis Adriano (2001 #6), Joey Mente (2001 #10), Jovy Sese (2001 #14), Ato Morano (2001 #20), Rafi Reavis (2002 #2), Omanzie Rodriguez (2002 #3), Chris Calaguio (2002 #4), Homer Se (2002 #5), Junel Mendiola (2002 #20), Eddie Laure (2003 #3), etc.

Even Lou Gatumbato—the oldest rookie in the history of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) came from the MBA as he was a star of the the Iloilo Megavolts. In 2004, he applied for the PBA Draft, along with a stellar list of hopefuls like James Yap, Paul Artadi, Wesley Gonzalez, Rich Alvarez, Marc Pingris, Gary David, amongst others. “There were a lot of big names and Fil-Ams who were the same position as Lou like Kim Valenzuela and Denver Lopez. Lou said, “I know I did well in the camp. Even coach Norman (Black) thought I’d get picked”. Unfortunately, he did not get drafted.

Just like Stanley Pringle who is currently playing as a Professional Import Player in Poland for ASK KS Siarka Tarnobrzeg, he still has to pass thru the PBA Rookie Draft if he wants to play in the PBA. And since he is a Fil-foreigner and under 26 years of age, he is also now required to still play at the PBA D-League in order to qualify for the PBA Rookie Draft.

 

[theImbaguy2]

I think Adducul was drafted in the PBA and he played many years in the defunct MBA.

I think Douthit joining the PBA will be great! atleast for Slaughter and Fajardo when they enter the PBA. They'll have Dawtit as their competition.

how can we improve our local's games if we don't play against better, taller and 'real' centers? We have been craving for taller imports but unfortunately our economy won't allow us-or atleast some pba teams doesnt have the ability to hire tall and quality imports.
It really sucks...
But I have a feeling someday we'll scrap this import height limit bs. It already happened, which tells us it's possible.

 

[ariel_muhlach2]

how can we improve our local's games if we don't play against better, taller and 'real' centers? We have been craving for taller imports but unfortunately our economy won't allow us-or atleast some pba teams doesnt have the ability to hire tall and quality imports.
It really sucks...
But I have a feeling someday we'll scrap this import height limit bs. It already happened, which tells us it's possible.

Our country must rise first from being a poor country. The time we were Lord of Asian Basketball, the Philippines was among the richest countries in Asia. That was the time we have Mercedes Benzes as our Taxi Cabs.

If it would happen in our lifetime I do not know .... I think we must first get rid of corrupt public officials then so many things are still to be done.

 

[theImbaguy2]

Our country must rise first from being a poor country. The time we were Lord of Asian Basketball, the Philippines was among the richest countries in Asia. That was the time we have Mercedes Benzes as our Taxi Cabs.

If it would happen in our lifetime I do not know .... I think we must first get rid of corrupt public officials then so many things are still to be done.

as long as we are competitive and consistently in the part of top 2-4 in the intl stage im fine with that.
There are only 2 things i want for the pba: 1st is to expand up to 14 teams so there will be more teams for our players. And 2nd is to remove the height limit. Just that and im fine with it.

 

[13wowowee2]

Atty. Salud could be right, the league can restrict anybody to play or any company to join. Being a private organization, they can set certain rules and restrictions who will be eligible to play. The same way they implement minimum age, minimum number of college units, height limit for imports, trade appovals and others. Even if somebody will insist that being a naturalized Filipino he is intitled to his rights as stated in the constitution, but for the reason of parity and for the best interest of the league, the PBA can do something.

Lets talk about Douthit's case. Though he's already naturalized, but still he has no Filipino blood. It's against the PBA rule. That's the first requirent to be eligible to play as a local. To have at least a part Filipino lineage.

Okey, for the sake of arguement, let's assume he will be allowed to play as a local. What will be the implications? Do you think, this will be beneficial to the league? Consider the following:

1. Since he will be allowed to play as a local, of course he will start as a rookie. How about his salary? Don't tell me, from US$15K (if I'm not mistaken) he will accept a maximum pay for rookie which is only P150K for the first year, P225K for the 2nd year and P350K in his 3rd year? I don't think so! So another problem will arise on this. Rules will be broken again. This may cause another precedence.

2. The team which will draft him will really have a huge advantage. Just like having a 6-11 import playing against an all-Filipino crew with a tallest player of only 6-7. This will create an imbalance to the league. In the current conference, if the rest of the 9 teams who have a 6-4 import, find it hard to win against Douthit's team, how much more if it's an all local team?

3. If ever he will be allowed to play as a local, do you think that other teams will simply allow to become an underdog just because of him? Instead, they will also make a move to naturalize their own choice players and make sure that they (foreign players) can play for their teams. So instead of focusing their attention in searching and developing for new talents and local breeds, teams will now invest and throw their resources on possible players to be naturalized. This will deny, if not lessen the oppotunities for our home grown players. A mockery of the rule again will blow on this.

With those 3 points I've mentioned above, the interest of the league will be greatly affected. So how can the PBA allow Douthit to play as a local? If so, it will be another step forward to their downfall!

no problem with the salary as long as the owner(MVP) has no problem paying the player... 150k on paper but giving the remainder of his true salary at home...

 

[ariel_muhlach2]

no problem with the salary as long as the owner(MVP) has no problem paying the player... 150k on paper but giving the remainder of his true salary at home...

Are you telling us that its right to do under the table deals ...... that's unlawful. That's a criminal act if discovered that could result in jail time.

That's not the proper way to tell new Filipino Citizen Marcus Douthit to do things.

It is the duty of a Good Citizen to file his Income Tax Return correctly and pay the right amount.

 

[nardy2]

Are you telling us that its right to do under the table deals ...... that's unlawful. That's a criminal act if discovered that could result in jail time.

That's not the proper way to tell new Filipino Citizen Marcus Douthit to do things.

It is the duty of a Good Citizen to file his Income Tax Return correctly and pay the right amount.

this reminds me of Willie Pearson who left the country in order to escape from being imprisoned by the BIR for Tax Evasion.

the same thing also happened to Rey Lazaro, due to Tax Evasion charges filed by the BIR he suddenly disappeared and hid in the US without contacting family and friends for several years in order to avoid being traced by Philippine Authorities.

On another note Rene Hawkins had a problem in Federal Express honoring the under the table contract he had with Tanduay after the Lucio Tan franchise was sold to Bert Lina's Group. Jayvee Gayoso is one of those who revealed Tanduay giving side contracts to its players in order to get around the salary cap. After his confession, Gayoso never gotten back to the PBA as a squealer has no more future in the PBA as it is a Private Boys Club which follows the "Honor Code Among Thieves".

 

[nardy2]

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This team that wants this guard has the coach directly talking with the subject.
1 hour ago

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Skidding team now aggressive in acquiring their target off guard. But trade might not happen in this conference.
1 hour ago

 

[nardy2]

Barako Bull won't return to PBA

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 03/17/2011 7:06 PM | Updated as of 03/17/2011 7:32 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Basketball club Barako Bull has informed the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) that it will not be returning to the league.
According to league commissioner Chito Salud, Barako Bull already clarified its intent to leave the PBA.


Barako Bull, which took a leave of absence from the league, has been under financial distress since 2009.


Team management had admitted they were having difficulties with the team's payroll.


The Energy Boosters' leave of absence paved the way for Smart Gilas-
Pilipinas to sign up for the league’s Commissioner’s Cup.


Phoenix Petroleum will reportedly take over Barako Bull’s franchise.

 

[nardy2]

snowbadua snow badua @
@diobert26 @TheLlamados @purefoodsbball He'll need a rest bro. Read between the lines... DAL Activated Jonathan Fernadez and dropped Allado
15 minutes ago

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Teams in dire need of a legitimate off guard... SMB, Derby Ace, Air 21, Rain or Shine!
2 hours ago

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This team that wants this guard has the coach directly talking with the subject.
2 hours ago

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Skidding team now aggressive in acquiring their target off guard. But trade might not happen in this conference.
2 hours ago

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DER$BY ACE GOV. PARDO: We activated Jonathan Fernandez because we needed a legitimate number 2.
7 hours ago

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RAFi Reavis is also scheduled for surgery on his foot fracture this week. Might also return next conference.
7 hours ago

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Rico Maierhoffer just underwent surgery in his ACL. Derby Ace hopefule that he'll be back in 5-6 months.
7 hours ago

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GOOD NEWS DERBY ACE FANS: No serious injury on calf muscle strain of James Yap. But he is still day to day.
7 hours ago

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Just between you and me: BARAKO FRANCHISE is said to be sold to Phoenix Petroleum for Php60M
8 hours ago

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COMMISSIONER SALUD: Barako Bull has already informed us that they can no longer return to the league. Story on Teledyaryo Sports tonight.
10 hours ago

 

[nardy2]

The Dugout

PBA: A Trade Gone Wrong?

SMB, Air21 have yet to win a single game after celebrated trade

By BRIAN YALUNG
March 17, 2011, 4:12pm


MANILA, Philippines – After last night’s games, you would have to ask yourself, was the SMB-Air21 trade a costly one? Two teams which figured in a blockbuster trade have not yet won a single game after exchanging players and considering that this is a short PBA elimination round tourney, the timing couldn’t have come at a better time.


Let us take the two team’s perspectives. First that of San Miguel.


There is no question that San Miguel is an aging lineup. And after two runner-up finishes, one can only wonder what is going on in the minds of the San Miguel management side. They are indeed a powerhouse team but against the younger, athletic, speedier and versatile players, they are sitting ducks.


Add to the fact that San Miguel has a tradition to keep. They are among the elite PBA ballclubs who have won many championships and sacrificing a conference or two is not that a big deal for the company. It is similar to saying that it is better to incur losses now, reap the profits later.


Such is the case with the influx of new blood in Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Noy Baclao and Rey Guevarra to go with existing prime stalwarts like Jay Washington, Arwind Santos, Joseph Yeo and Alex Cabagnot among others.


The current SMB lineup, barring any future deals, is the PBA team of the future. The rewards may not be felt now but it will certainly be the case once the young guns finally gain the experience and hit their mark.


As for Air21, we have a ballclub aching to make its mark in the PBA. They have yet to win a championship and with four high-caliber players in Danny Seigle, Dondon Hontiveros, Dorian Pena and Paul Artadi the dream of copping that PBA crown is within reach.


The Express are in the adjustment stage, something that was expected for a team that was not even favored prior to the tournament. At 1-3 they still do have a chance to make it to the next round but like the Beermen, they have to start winning their games.


For the Beermen who are now at 1-4, they are in danger of missing out the next round. The daunting task of having to win all of their remaining games seems to be a hard one and not even reinforcement Danny Young or perhaps another super import can save them from impending disaster.

Checking on the social networks, the fans are pretty much disappointed and restless. They question the trade and the timing of such a critical transaction. Many have hit management, particularly that of the San Miguel Beer squad for such a PBA trade which has placed their favorite team in an unlikely predicament.


But as stated earlier, this is likewise a PBA undertaking and traditions need to be kept. Sacrificing loyal and marquee players are included for such a big investment and if the price is right, profits and success will always be the important thing in the end.

 

[splitzapper2]

Barako Bull won't return to PBA

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 03/17/2011 7:06 PM | Updated as of 03/17/2011 7:32 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Basketball club Barako Bull has informed the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) that it will not be returning to the league.
According to league commissioner Chito Salud, Barako Bull already clarified its intent to leave the PBA.


Barako Bull, which took a leave of absence from the league, has been under financial distress since 2009.


Team management had admitted they were having difficulties with the team's payroll.


The Energy Boosters' leave of absence paved the way for Smart Gilas-
Pilipinas to sign up for the league’s Commissioner’s Cup.


Phoenix Petroleum will reportedly take over Barako Bull’s franchise.

Good bye to Red Bull/ Photokina Franchise and thanks for the memories.
My two all time favorite series involving Red Bull were the SMB Championship and Purefoods Championship. Laban talaga.

 

[13wowowee2]

Are you telling us that its right to do under the table deals ...... that's unlawful. That's a criminal act if discovered that could result in jail time.

That's not the proper way to tell new Filipino Citizen Marcus Douthit to do things.

It is the duty of a Good Citizen to file his Income Tax Return correctly and pay the right amount.

para namang xa lang ang ganun dito sa pinas at sa PBA!!! c'mon...

trans: well thats the way other player/management does

 

[EaglesEye2]

para namang xa lang ang ganun dito sa pinas at sa PBA!!! c'mon...

trans: well thats the way other player/management does

But still it's wrong! Then assuming they will offer him side contract or under the table, good thing if that side contract is only worth P50K. But for Douthit's case, it's impractical for the team to offer him a contract worth only P150K then an under the table deal of P450K just to match his current salary of accordingly US$15K (equivalent to more than P600K). It's crazy to do such thing!

 

[nardy2]

Big risk–why the name change?

Ronnie Nathanielsz

Inside Sports

First Posted 01:10:26 18/03/2011


While we recognize the inherent right of San Miguel Corp. to change the name of its San Miguel Beer team in the Philippine Basketball Association to Petron, we are certainly baffled over the name change.
To millions across the nation who love the sport of basketball with a passion, San Miguel Beer was—and will always remain—a team they could identify with through the years as the flagship representative of San Miguel Corp.
It was inherently Filipino and carried the San Miguel Beer name with remarkable distinction. To change the name to Petron and to expect the same dedicated following is a tremendous risk that the corporation is taking.
Simply put, there is absolutely no synergy between beer and gasoline.
The fundamental reason why teams join the PBA is to help promote its products in the competitive marketplace and to keep its brand name in the public consciousness.
We may be wrong but we don’t believe that Petron, an oil-industry leader like Shell and Caltex, can push its product in the marketplace in the fashion that San Miguel Beer did against its competitors.
* * *
Besides, the timing could not have been worse.
The constant increase in gasoline prices, which has burdened the Filipino consumer and resulted in an upswing in the prices of essential products such as rice and bread to name but two, mitigates against drawing public support for a basketball team.
Questions are being asked on a daily basis on the various social networking sites about the rationale for the gasoline price increases measured against the reality of inventories purchased at lower prices but being sold based on current market prices.
Gasoline and other oil products are necessities that the public cannot do without and, therefore, there is no need to promote it except in a competitive sense. But whether it will work is doubtful.
* * *
Pilipinas Shell, some years ago, decided to leave the PBA at a time when the public was beginning to question the rationale for maintaining a costly basketball team while at the same time burdening the consumer with higher prices.
That reality is far more pronounced today than it was when Shell decided to do the sensible thing and pull out of the PBA.
We wonder whether the decision to change the San Miguel Beer name to Petron, which is largely owned by the San Miguel Corp., was precipitated by the planned entry of Phoenix Petroleum, a very small player in the market, which was in negotiations with Barako Bull to acquire its franchise.
* * *
Surely Petron cannot consider Phoenix a competitor in the accepted sense of the word because it is basically a small player in the Visayas and Mindanao regions.
What is even more perplexing is the effort to keep out Phoenix when the firm, to its credit, has invested in the PBA by sponsoring the out-of-town games which serve as one of the major boosts to the acceptance of the pro league in the provinces.
We believe that with San Miguel Corp.’s right to rename its team, it comes with the need to exercise responsibility in relation to the millions of fans of the San Miguel Beer basketball team.
The Beermen have a storied history and San Miguel Beer epitomizes a Filipino product of unmatched quality. We will grieve to see it removed from our cherished PBA memories.

 

[nardy2]

2011-03-18 13:10:59

The Final Score: Mark Caguioa battles Ginebra’s winds of change

By MICO HALILI

Caguioa is about to face Danny Seigle on a Wednesday night. I ask Caguioa if he's affected by Seigle's stunning transfer. He answers by remembering what happened before and guessing what lies ahead. Before, they were perceived as indispensable. That perception has changed. Caguioa believes the team around him, like many things, is changing too.

"I do feel it," Caguioa admits. "Even my Mom's telling me that. It's just different."

Is Caguioa no longer a punk? For years, he was the PBA’s primetime rogue. If he roared into the Araneta Coliseum parking lot in a wicked Harley Davidson, clad in leather, hiding behind the devil's shades, the image would’ve been perfect. Those days are gone. What’s left of the good times; a warrior’s mohawk and a proud man’s memories.

"Ginebra hasn't been the same since 2008, the last time kami nag-champion," Caguioa says. "Iba siyang team ngayon. It's not a run-and-gun team. I'm really worried kasi if we win games, it's not Ginebra. There's no fun."

Shouldn't Caguioa be happy with 14 points, 13 attempts and 26 minutes per game? He's not. Suddenly, he opens up with a rant that sounds more like a plea. He doesn't look me in the eye. Malayo ang tingin. He seems to look back; when Ginebra loved stepping on the gas. He also looks ahead; anxious where a team that prefers to step on the brakes is going.

"I just want to bring the old Ginebra back," Caguioa admits. "Look who's averaging the most for our team. Everything goes through Nate Brumfield. We really don't have nowhere to go. Everything is sa kanya. I feel bad because he has to do all the work and we can't help him."

Still, Caguioa believes the juggernaut years aren’t gone for good. They’re just off the radar, meant to be rediscovered. He isn’t sure, however, if he’s surrounded by the right people. He misses the old crew. He misses Jayjay Helterbrand, of course. He even misses the old supporting cast; Dimaunahan, Artadi, Pacana. He mentions their names, recalls their value in winning championships. He doesn’t sound like a punk. Unless, he's just pretending to be a sage.

Someone from Ginebra's staff approaches. It's nearing game-time so the staff member wants to whisk Caguioa away. He widens his eyes at Caguioa as if to say, "Time's up chief." But Caguioa ignores the cue. He has more to say. It can't wait.

"I don't know what it is, but, as a player you want that chemistry going," Caguioa says. "But it's different when you always have new players. We keep adjusting. It's hard right now. I don't know what's going on with the team. We really do have a problem."

Wednesday's worries won't change on Sunday. Caguioa will face San Miguel without Seigle, play for a Ginebra team without his kind of fire and look very far at how everything is supposed to be. -- GMA News

 

[lovejones2]

^^^This is what a great sports article is supposed to do - to give the reader a powerful character insight.

 

[ramjo2]

Big risk–why the name change?

Ronnie Nathanielsz

Inside Sports

First Posted 01:10:26 18/03/2011


While we recognize the inherent right of San Miguel Corp. to change the name of its San Miguel Beer team in the Philippine Basketball Association to Petron, we are certainly baffled over the name change.
To millions across the nation who love the sport of basketball with a passion, San Miguel Beer was—and will always remain—a team they could identify with through the years as the flagship representative of San Miguel Corp.
It was inherently Filipino and carried the San Miguel Beer name with remarkable distinction. To change the name to Petron and to expect the same dedicated following is a tremendous risk that the corporation is taking.
Simply put, there is absolutely no synergy between beer and gasoline.
The fundamental reason why teams join the PBA is to help promote its products in the competitive marketplace and to keep its brand name in the public consciousness.
We may be wrong but we don’t believe that Petron, an oil-industry leader like Shell and Caltex, can push its product in the marketplace in the fashion that San Miguel Beer did against its competitors.
* * *
Besides, the timing could not have been worse.
The constant increase in gasoline prices, which has burdened the Filipino consumer and resulted in an upswing in the prices of essential products such as rice and bread to name but two, mitigates against drawing public support for a basketball team.
Questions are being asked on a daily basis on the various social networking sites about the rationale for the gasoline price increases measured against the reality of inventories purchased at lower prices but being sold based on current market prices.
Gasoline and other oil products are necessities that the public cannot do without and, therefore, there is no need to promote it except in a competitive sense. But whether it will work is doubtful.
* * *
Pilipinas Shell, some years ago, decided to leave the PBA at a time when the public was beginning to question the rationale for maintaining a costly basketball team while at the same time burdening the consumer with higher prices.
That reality is far more pronounced today than it was when Shell decided to do the sensible thing and pull out of the PBA.
We wonder whether the decision to change the San Miguel Beer name to Petron, which is largely owned by the San Miguel Corp., was precipitated by the planned entry of Phoenix Petroleum, a very small player in the market, which was in negotiations with Barako Bull to acquire its franchise.
* * *
Surely Petron cannot consider Phoenix a competitor in the accepted sense of the word because it is basically a small player in the Visayas and Mindanao regions.
What is even more perplexing is the effort to keep out Phoenix when the firm, to its credit, has invested in the PBA by sponsoring the out-of-town games which serve as one of the major boosts to the acceptance of the pro league in the provinces.
We believe that with San Miguel Corp.’s right to rename its team, it comes with the need to exercise responsibility in relation to the millions of fans of the San Miguel Beer basketball team.
The Beermen have a storied history and San Miguel Beer epitomizes a Filipino product of unmatched quality. We will grieve to see it removed from our cherished PBA memories.

Yeah, I kinda can't understand this move by San Miguel as well. I mean, being the flagship brand and all, I was kinda thinking it was illogical that they will be changing its name rather than say, B-Meg.