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Victorious2
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Why can't I have a flag under my Avatar.
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Monolito2
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Not the truth.
1995 our nations signed the UN deal and we can read about the deal both on the UN page and wikipedia.
It says that FYR.Macedonia can use Rebublic of Macedonia as constitutional name inside their borders and referens FYR.Macedonia outs side the borders. But also in the agreement we did allow them to use Republic Macedonia and let the nations that recognize their constitutional name to use it too, some 160 nations did recognize their constitutional name.
Statue of Aleksandar wos never mentioned 1995, so technicaly aint illegal.
Blame our leaders who signed this document.
Does not matter what Nato say or what we say, technicaly we are wrong and that is what this day wos all about.
See me as an traitor I could care less, we are wrong.
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Victorious2
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Settings, Edit profile, country flag
Thanks.
To the guy posting as a Greek to make his point about this political issue sound more convincing. Just state your opinion as someone from the FYR of Macedonia. We won't bite, and perhaps we can take you more seriously next time. Your arguments matter, not your origin. Not that you sound very convincing.
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Monolito2
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I have no power or any will to discuss my orgin, rather irelevant and even if I prove to you that my orgin is Greek you will still see me as Fyr Macedonian.
I honestly do not know what can be more convincing for you than to read the document we signed.
To me it wos obvious that we will lose today in Hague because everything wos based on articel 11, they had no choice because the agreement 1995 is crystal clear.
Official from today and on they have the international right on their side and therefore it would be embarrassing not only to Greece but also Nato and EU if we do not stop blocking them.
They now have both international right and democracy on their side. It looks very bad don't you think?.
I see only two scenarios after the vredict today.
1. Nato and EU will put pressure on us to solve this until February nato sammit in Chicago or at least they will try to convince us to stop the blocking and that this is something that should be solved between us and that negotiations should continue between us with FYR Macedonia as mamber in Nato with FYR Macedonia.
2. The most dangerous for us is if Macedonia ask UN to terminate the agreement from 1995 and they will do so if keep on blocking them. From what I understand some 140 nations has recognized them under the constitutional name Republic of Macedonia with other words an huge majority.
America, Russia, China no one will block them and we do not have any veto in UN.
In this case we will for sure be the biggest loser. No more fyrom on this forum, etc.
Trust me this Gruevski is a man not afraid to take this step so let us be smart for onece.
I honestly do not know what can be more convincing for you than to read the document we signed.
To me it wos obvious that we will lose today in Hague because everything wos based on articel 11, they had no choice because the agreement 1995 is crystal clear.
Official from today and on they have the international right on their side and therefore it would be embarrassing not only to Greece but also Nato and EU if we do not stop blocking them.
They now have both international right and democracy on their side. It looks very bad don't you think?.
I see only two scenarios after the vredict today.
1. Nato and EU will put pressure on us to solve this until February nato sammit in Chicago or at least they will try to convince us to stop the blocking and that this is something that should be solved between us and that negotiations should continue between us with FYR Macedonia as mamber in Nato with FYR Macedonia.
2. The most dangerous for us is if Macedonia ask UN to terminate the agreement from 1995 and they will do so if keep on blocking them. From what I understand some 140 nations has recognized them under the constitutional name Republic of Macedonia with other words an huge majority.
America, Russia, China no one will block them and we do not have any veto in UN.
In this case we will for sure be the biggest loser. No more fyrom on this forum, etc.
Trust me this Gruevski is a man not afraid to take this step so let us be smart for onece.
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@monolito
first of all,you should be more informed about what you say in a public forum for such a matter that has to do with nations....
As concerns Hague's decision,you are totally wrong and there is no proof of what you say...
We all believed that you "translated" the fyromian media to check what they say...I mean, i dont know even a single Greek who checks fyromian news from fyromian sites.
Last but not least,it'd be better to take out the greek flag from your profile and put instead the fyromian one(without the Vergina sun as Hague decided)
first of all,you should be more informed about what you say in a public forum for such a matter that has to do with nations....
As concerns Hague's decision,you are totally wrong and there is no proof of what you say...
We all believed that you "translated" the fyromian media to check what they say...I mean, i dont know even a single Greek who checks fyromian news from fyromian sites.
Last but not least,it'd be better to take out the greek flag from your profile and put instead the fyromian one(without the Vergina sun as Hague decided)
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qiangdade2
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right... a greek who says "Aleksandar"... why do you even continue? just make a new account as a fyromian monoilitio
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Monolito2
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They use the name Aleksandar, we use the name Aleksandros and Americans use the name Aleksander.
Since I mentioned the statue in Skopje Aleksandar fits the most.
I will not waste my time on a kid that is born in Germany and the other one ultra nationalist no more.
Others who have enough IQ to understand that we lost yesterday keep silent, which is sad.
Since we block them under referens FYROM I will understand if they terminate the agreement and since 140 nations recognize their constitutional name we would be in a very bad position in a new UN voting since we have no veto.
If we do not faind an compromise before Nato sammit than this name issue will be all over.
Since I mentioned the statue in Skopje Aleksandar fits the most.
I will not waste my time on a kid that is born in Germany and the other one ultra nationalist no more.
Others who have enough IQ to understand that we lost yesterday keep silent, which is sad.
Since we block them under referens FYROM I will understand if they terminate the agreement and since 140 nations recognize their constitutional name we would be in a very bad position in a new UN voting since we have no veto.
If we do not faind an compromise before Nato sammit than this name issue will be all over.
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kalashnikov2
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Let's make 2 things clear about what the ruling said:
1) That Greece has violated the '95 agreement. (duh!)
2) Rejected all other parts of FYROM's case
So, in plain words, even though Greece has been found as a violator, there's no obligation on Greece to do anything about it. This includes:
- No compensation (seriously? man...this is not Judge Judy)
- No sanctions
or anything of that sort
Now, with regard to membership in International organisations, Greece has still the right to veto in the EU and NATO. And furthermore, TODAY's decision from the Council of the EU (at foreign ministers level) was unanimous among all 27 member states, to halt the beginning of EU-accession negotiations until the name issue has been resolved.
FYROM may decide to apply for UN membership. But don't forget that FYROM is already a member of the organisation under the name FYROM and until a commonly agreed name is found under the UN process. I'm not sure of what FYROM's UN-membership document writes, but perhaps things may not be that simple.
In any case, one thing I'm glad about is that the ruling has proved the obvious fact that the '95 Interim agreement is void and outdated and that the time is long overdue for a solution...
1) That Greece has violated the '95 agreement. (duh!)
2) Rejected all other parts of FYROM's case
So, in plain words, even though Greece has been found as a violator, there's no obligation on Greece to do anything about it. This includes:
- No compensation (seriously? man...this is not Judge Judy)
- No sanctions
or anything of that sort
Now, with regard to membership in International organisations, Greece has still the right to veto in the EU and NATO. And furthermore, TODAY's decision from the Council of the EU (at foreign ministers level) was unanimous among all 27 member states, to halt the beginning of EU-accession negotiations until the name issue has been resolved.
FYROM may decide to apply for UN membership. But don't forget that FYROM is already a member of the organisation under the name FYROM and until a commonly agreed name is found under the UN process. I'm not sure of what FYROM's UN-membership document writes, but perhaps things may not be that simple.
In any case, one thing I'm glad about is that the ruling has proved the obvious fact that the '95 Interim agreement is void and outdated and that the time is long overdue for a solution...
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Monolito2
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The question then is why did we block them under the referns fyrom ? you have any good explenation ?. What is it that we want in reality ?. To kill them ?.
Whats we did is wrong according to the international right according to Hague, you would agree with that ? and for sure black mail do not belong to democracy, I hope you would agree with that too.
The question is do we want to be europeans or not ?!? not just on the map but by mentality too. I am tired of the picture we have It is time to move on and enter the 21 century what we do is wrong.
10 years ago I started to get interested about the people on the other side of the border. I wanted to know my enemy littel bit more how they think and what they think, started to read and made several visits got to know a lot of good people and now I know that they are very friendly and do not hate us as much as it seems (which is strange after all we have done to them) they deserve to be let alone. They even listen to our music, etc.
They are simply much more europeans than us believe it or not.
I read Macedonian news and I know a lot about this Nikola Gruevski. If we do not faind any compromise before the next Nato sammit this man is capable to do some great damage, he is a man with huge balls.
I honetly would expect him to terminate the UN agreement from 1995 and this would make sense to me, they have no use of the referns fyrom since we block them so they have nothing to lose.
Only reason they accepted so they can enter international organizations. Right now they have no use of that referens so what do they have to lose ? honestly tell me ?.
I will tell you again if a new UN voting wos to be held after the next NATO sammit you have to understand that we will lose the name issue with out any compromise.
The situation wos different 1995 only 74 nations had recognize their constitutional name today they have the majority they have 140 nations that will back them up, their name will be Republic of Macedonia in UN with out a doubt, lets not play god because this will happen and then we will cry why did we not make any compromisse.
Whats we did is wrong according to the international right according to Hague, you would agree with that ? and for sure black mail do not belong to democracy, I hope you would agree with that too.
The question is do we want to be europeans or not ?!? not just on the map but by mentality too. I am tired of the picture we have It is time to move on and enter the 21 century what we do is wrong.
10 years ago I started to get interested about the people on the other side of the border. I wanted to know my enemy littel bit more how they think and what they think, started to read and made several visits got to know a lot of good people and now I know that they are very friendly and do not hate us as much as it seems (which is strange after all we have done to them) they deserve to be let alone. They even listen to our music, etc.
They are simply much more europeans than us believe it or not.
I read Macedonian news and I know a lot about this Nikola Gruevski. If we do not faind any compromise before the next Nato sammit this man is capable to do some great damage, he is a man with huge balls.
I honetly would expect him to terminate the UN agreement from 1995 and this would make sense to me, they have no use of the referns fyrom since we block them so they have nothing to lose.
Only reason they accepted so they can enter international organizations. Right now they have no use of that referens so what do they have to lose ? honestly tell me ?.
I will tell you again if a new UN voting wos to be held after the next NATO sammit you have to understand that we will lose the name issue with out any compromise.
The situation wos different 1995 only 74 nations had recognize their constitutional name today they have the majority they have 140 nations that will back them up, their name will be Republic of Macedonia in UN with out a doubt, lets not play god because this will happen and then we will cry why did we not make any compromisse.
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qiangdade2
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1) you use the name aleksandar. greeks use the name alexandros (αλεξανδρος). americans use alexander. again you are busted by righting it with a "ks"
2) i am pretty sure i am quite older than you. over twice your age probably. 10 times older judging by your intelligence.
3) a second account and again portraying a greek?? are you serious? moreover holding discussions with yourself?
4) just for the fun of it and it shouldn't be too difficult with google and so, since you're greek what does "prasin aloga" mean?
5) you are a great form of entertainment in euroleague off days. thank you monoilitio
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Monolito2
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Smart ass why do you aviod to replay the difficult parts ? stop with the focus on my orgin. If your that smart as you claime stop spamming this topic with empty air totaly irelevant.
I wos interested in blackmail, democracy, breaking UN agreements, etc.
Will soon faind out in the hard way what it means to have the support of 140 UN nations.
I wos interested in blackmail, democracy, breaking UN agreements, etc.
Will soon faind out in the hard way what it means to have the support of 140 UN nations.
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kalashnikov2
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Brought to you by the genious that:
- Fakes being Greek (fraud)
- Threatens people and sites with lawsuits (blackmail)
R E S P E C T
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Monolito2
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1. Kalashnikov my old mate, you need to relax from time to time, stop with your hate.
2. You told you will beat us in Hague ! how did it go ?
3. As a matter of fact I got even bigger inspertion after our win in the court hehe.
4. Maybe your Greeks will see the whole picture and what the point wos with Hague ?
5. Point wos to win it and now we can terminate the deal from 95 with out the world blaming us, Nikola Gruevski is smart.
6. This is what Nikola Gruevski wanted, he didint want any solution. After next Nato sammit we will have new UN voring hehe.
7. Of course this will be an motivation for Greece to solve the name issue. Your card is EU and Nato and our card is a new UN voting so this time you will hurry too.
8. See you at the Waterpolo EC, we will, spank your asses again. http://forums.interbasket.net/forumdisplay.php?47-Other-Sports
9. To bad you didint even Q for Handball WC.
10. http://www.ekipa.mk/Pictures/News/vardar proslava 5 golema.jpg
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The court judged the obvious. That there was a breach of an agreement. But with no consequences.
In the end, you are still FYROM, we are still Greece and this aint going to change until a commonly agreed name is found.
8,9...yeah....perhaps you should also look into women's Curling, matchbox castle building and other similar exciting sports. Meanwhile, I'll be in Poland for the Euro.
In the end, you are still FYROM, we are still Greece and this aint going to change until a commonly agreed name is found.
8,9...yeah....perhaps you should also look into women's Curling, matchbox castle building and other similar exciting sports. Meanwhile, I'll be in Poland for the Euro.
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Monolito2
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Last time I did cheak our constitutional name wos Republic of Macedonoa, our UN referens FYR Macedonia and our land code MKD.
Well the consequences are yet to come for you. I honestly have no clue what your media or politican say but after this Greek fiasko in hague the UN deal will get terminated and no one will complaine since you do not respect the UN deal anyway. You have less than 3 months to solve it.
I am telling you Nikola will deal with you after Nato sammit in a real way. It is up to you you will be fyrom and who will be Macedonia in Mars 2012.
Hague wos just the first puzzles and that step wos needed to be taken, you do not see the whole picture here hehe.
I agree waterpolo is a small sport but Handball aint small in europ. In fact among top 4 biggest team sports in europe. Might be small or noon existing in Greece but not in europe wide. In fact handball even has bigger audience than basketball at EC over the last 10 years.
Ye good luck in Poland you will need it, Greece are very lucky with the lottery over the last few years. First you playd with SUI and ISR than with HR and ISR and next time with BIH and SLK.
Well the consequences are yet to come for you. I honestly have no clue what your media or politican say but after this Greek fiasko in hague the UN deal will get terminated and no one will complaine since you do not respect the UN deal anyway. You have less than 3 months to solve it.
I am telling you Nikola will deal with you after Nato sammit in a real way. It is up to you you will be fyrom and who will be Macedonia in Mars 2012.
Hague wos just the first puzzles and that step wos needed to be taken, you do not see the whole picture here hehe.
I agree waterpolo is a small sport but Handball aint small in europ. In fact among top 4 biggest team sports in europe. Might be small or noon existing in Greece but not in europe wide. In fact handball even has bigger audience than basketball at EC over the last 10 years.
Ye good luck in Poland you will need it, Greece are very lucky with the lottery over the last few years. First you playd with SUI and ISR than with HR and ISR and next time with BIH and SLK.
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qiangdade2
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what? you're not greek anymore?
btw your last 3 points are contradicting your first.
ah! and since intelligence obviously isn't one of your biggest assets listen to this: when fyrom terminates the interim agreement of 1995 it also terminates the clause that says that greece has no right to veto fyrom's admition to peripheral organizations like the EU or NATO if under the name FYROM. Which in turn means that Greece will be able to legally keep you out of both for eternity (and they will). In case you don't know it, it's in the greek agenda and best interrest to terminate the agreement also, since then you will have no legal claim to file a lawsuit in Haague next time you are vetoed out of NATO/EU. Somalia will enter the EU before you do upholding that attitude, good luck with that...
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Monolito2
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Before you talk about IQ pls cheak out some facts before you speak. It is an advantage, believe me.
First of all who will be with out UN ???????? 1995 only 74 nations had recognize us under the constitutional name, pls cheek out how many it is today and what that will mean in the new UN voting. Do you have veto right in UN too -) I guess not hihi.
My friend soon we will deliver the new reality to you.
Yes it is true you will keep us out fron Nato/EU. But you do this even under he referens FYROM so what can we lose ????, better to have the name Macedonia in UN and bee with out EU than the referens FYROM and be with out EU.
Our people allready has free travel in europ, this is the only thing that is importent anyway, no visa.
EU aint any economy GUARANTEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you still need to fix your own economy as Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, etc.. Not all are lucky as Greece.
In 3 years from 2008 to 2012 we go from 250 euros avverage sallery to 450 euros, from 35% unemployed to 22%. Traget in 2012 is 500 euros and less than 19%.
And than soneone wonder why people vote on Nikola Gruevski.
Soon we will give you economic support.
First of all who will be with out UN ???????? 1995 only 74 nations had recognize us under the constitutional name, pls cheek out how many it is today and what that will mean in the new UN voting. Do you have veto right in UN too -) I guess not hihi.
My friend soon we will deliver the new reality to you.
Yes it is true you will keep us out fron Nato/EU. But you do this even under he referens FYROM so what can we lose ????, better to have the name Macedonia in UN and bee with out EU than the referens FYROM and be with out EU.
Our people allready has free travel in europ, this is the only thing that is importent anyway, no visa.
EU aint any economy GUARANTEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you still need to fix your own economy as Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, etc.. Not all are lucky as Greece.
In 3 years from 2008 to 2012 we go from 250 euros avverage sallery to 450 euros, from 35% unemployed to 22%. Traget in 2012 is 500 euros and less than 19%.
And than soneone wonder why people vote on Nikola Gruevski.
Soon we will give you economic support.