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Greece-FYROM quarrel: What do the people think?

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sixama23@

We will be given bananas if we keep talk politics on the OI basketball topic so lets aviod that.

I did not say you're lying just told that the LTU source is totaly wrong simply a lie.

This is the second lies in LTU media in the last few days. Doubtful whether it is a coincidence i think the ugly game has started.

I know there are gold nuggets in Greece too i have a mate from Odessa ;)

But not everybady are as him and you and i think that most of the greeks would like to see someone else host it.

Maybe because they think the audience will be against them maybe because they think we will have the star in the stands, etc.

But let me tell you nothing bad will happen to the Greek national team. Only game we will cheer against you is against us but that will happen to anyone else who play against us.

No violence no greek fans will be attacked. We are more europeans than what people think.

Well, i am sure that nothing bad will happen to our NT, i don't think that you are not civilized people. But for sure you will cheer against our team in any game and this is very logical. It is also logical, that our federation wants to play in a total neutral place just like Lithuania than playing in an arena where all the spectators will be cheering against us in any game. That's an obvious reason for us to support the Lithuanian bid. That's all!
 
Greek Stratos Koukoulekidis who train the Macedonian baaskeball club Strumica say that Greek federations has nothing to be worry about.

He is suprised how good treated and respected he is in Macedonia. Part from what Stratos told last night you should now that Greeks have few factorys in Macedonia, Casinos, and also Greeks make up the biggest Macedonian tourism about 240.000 Greeks visit Macedonian citys Bitola, Ohrid, Gevgelija, Strumica every year and most of them enter the nation at least 3 times per year.

They mostly shop food, meat is very popular.

Nothing bad has ever happened to anyone so one wonder what picture we have in Greece since even Startos Koukoulekidis is suprised by this.


Might be correct that some fans will cheer against Greece in all matches but also chances is that no one will show uop for your matches since tickets might be expensive as our federations will try to suck out every euro cuz of the current basketball interest.

Can also be solved that no Macedonians have the right to visit your matches, but that should not be necessary.

This can be solved your basketball federation only need to say what conditions they want.
 
Well, i am sure that nothing bad will happen to our NT, i don't think that you are not civilized people. But for sure you will cheer against our team in any game and this is very logical. It is also logical, that our federation wants to play in a total neutral place just like Lithuania than playing in an arena where all the spectators will be cheering against us in any game. That's an obvious reason for us to support the Lithuanian bid. That's all!

If you want a neutral place, you should really be pushing for Angola or Venezuela. I don't how many Greek fans were in Lithuania for EB2011, but when we played you guys, I could only hear Macedonian fans. But no Macedonians will go to Angola or Venezuela. :P
 
The Greek federation should make sure that Greece will assemble its best players for the qualification tournament, then Greece should get the ticket for the Olympics. I don't care about the place, just the roster.
 
If by the end of the month, Macedonia has a litigation

Athens responded with a countersuit in The Hague?

The first argument to defend Greece, the court has no jurisdiction, you will fail, says doctor "Harvard" Bosko Stankovski.

Macedonia and Greece will hear the verdict from the court in The Hague by the end of the month. Announcement of the verdict of a trial that Macedonia filed against Greece, which was supposed to be on November 16, is delayed.

Sources from the Macedonian side is optimistic that Macedonia can receive the case, given that George Papandreou mentioned Hague and asked to name the hardest moment for Greece. It is interpreted as a sign that Papandreou had information that the verdict is either balanced or Athens loses the dispute.
 
Macedonia in the EU following the example of Romania and Bulgaria!


If you have little information, decision-makers in the EU to exterminate the Greek opposition and will inform Athens that her stupid attitude towards Macedonia's name is a threat to security in the region and will no longer be tolerated, says CIA, David Kanin


European Union should recognize Macedonia as a member as soon as possible and with little control such as Romania and Bulgaria. If you have little information, decision-makers in the EU to exterminate the Greek opposition and will inform Athens that her stupid attitude towards Macedonia's name is a threat to security in the region and will no longer be tolerated. Greece and other Balkan countries will have to focus on their problems, because of weaknesses affecting Greece and Europe. Extensive analysis of the situation in the Balkans and improving the weaknesses in the region have led to this conclusion renowned professor of international relations at Johns Hopkins University "and a former senior intelligence analyst for the CIA, David Kanin. In the analysis of" Eurasia Review "Kanin stresses that Macedonia is unique among the countries of former Yugoslavia managed to avoid the use of force, perhaps the reason for the current status quo for the country.
- This piece of land is surrounded by countries that deny specific aspects of identity. Macedonia is an exception in the Balkans and a peacekeeping role, while the rest of the region is in crisis, because it deserves a quick admission to the EU. EU should redirect to the new monitoring article - Macedonia. By incorporating the country into the Union will be awarded all countries do their work and build the future, rather than before the EU to reward countries that manipulate large powers, collecting merit and are dangerous for all involved. The EU has a chance to get rid of this pathology, but only if it exceeds its rhetoric and accept that its effective strategy depends on identifying and expanding its significant limitations as an international actor, writes professor.

Despite weaknesses in the functioning of the Union, membership in the EU remains the main goal of any country in the region, although there is considerable public skepticism about the value to be within the Union notes Kanin. He said Europe should establish stricter parameters for admission into the European family, that exception should be Macedonia. EU should clearly made it clear that membership is only possible for those Balkan countries are not burdened with open conflicts of sovereignty, and to stop looking only solution, and to condemn others and definitely forget the rhetoric that tells the local population that the only way to move forward to meet the current requirements of Europe and America.
 
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@robimkd

i haven't quite gotten your opinion. are you a fan of antiquization? do you consider yourself as a descendant of alexander the great and the ancient macedonians? cause you bare an avatar and a signature of a movie that presents alexander as a greek...:confused:
 
Forced to say Greece few times. The man who made this film said he never ever been exposed to so much threat as he wos by Greeks and Greeks lobist.

He wanted to make this film based only on historyan facts but this wos impossible.

Historyans told that the term Greece or Greeks should not be used since it didint exist back then.

Greeks also made huge pressure on the flag but they did faind an compromiss.

Bothe me an Aleksander served/serve the same name and land no matter what language I speak or Aleksander.

It is not like we try to make him something he never wos, HE WOS MACEDONIAN and is part of the macedonian history just as we are.

Macedonia is mentioned 28 times in the bibel :), is Greece :D ;)

I solut him he is my king. He would be our king and we would go along with his army.

If Aleksander wos alive today there is no doubt that he would protect us since we cary on his traditions (Macedonian GOV, Army, Land, Flag, etc). Greeks on the other hand try to make him something he never wos HE NEVER WOS AND NEVER WILL BE GREEK HE WOS MACEDONIAN). He would probobly kill all Athenians that try to steal him and Macedonia, Just as Filip kill the whole Greek army.
 
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Macedonian priest Attack by greek teens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibvRBGnJDeU&feature=related

greek fascist provoking and attacking Macedonians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmcrica2514&feature=related

This nex clip belongs to the section BELIEVE IT OR NOT

Yes this suppose to be europe 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4kJXLbrCs&feature=related

On the clip you can see the Greek military parade in the middel of Athen and soldiers sing kill macedonians, turks and albanians.

People and the streets applaud and the most amazing thing is when this priest at 1.13 to 1.18 saluts this. Are not a priest suposed to act in a civilian manner ?? in front of god we are all the same ?.

I do not what is wrong with this poeple but obvious is that they have big problems and this is the once we have to deal with.

Of course this one did slip under the rader by all TV media in europe, this is simply way to embarrassing for EU to show on TV so they turned a blind eye.

But no matter what we will never fallow to this level cuz we are humans. We will never treat Greeks like that in Macedonia.
 
Robin....By now, we all know that your style of writing has at least 40 spelling errors/sentence. You are posting articles from some whatever nationalistic site/newspaper.

So, I'll make it simple for you:
1) At least, be man enough to give a citation for the person who sat and wrote this down!

2) If you haven't received any replies in your previous post, probably nobody cares what you have to say. Don't go spamming everyone. Not only in this topic...generally!

3) I've told you before, I'll tell you again. Cut down on the booze. This thing will kill you one day!
 
Forced to say Greece few times. The man who made this film said he never ever been exposed to so much threat as he wos by Greeks and Greeks lobist.

He wanted to make this film based only on historyan facts but this wos impossible.

Historyans told that the term Greece or Greeks should not be used since it didint exist back then.

Greeks also made huge pressure on the flag but they did faind an compromiss.

Bothe me an Aleksander served/serve the same name and land no matter what language I speak or Aleksander.

It is not like we try to make him something he never wos, HE WOS MACEDONIAN and is part of the macedonian history just as we are.

Macedonia is mentioned 28 times in the bibel :), is Greece :D ;)

I solut him he is my king. He would be our king and we would go along with his army.

If Aleksander wos alive today there is no doubt that he would protect us since we cary on his traditions (Macedonian GOV, Army, Land, Flag, etc). Greeks on the other hand try to make him something he never wos HE NEVER WOS AND NEVER WILL BE GREEK HE WOS MACEDONIAN). He would probobly kill all Athenians that try to steal him and Macedonia, Just as Filip kill the whole Greek army.

Robin I honestly hate greece and greeks, and their well-being is none of my concern. But what you write there is deranged. Ancient macedonians were as greek as Athenians, Spartans, Ionians, etc were. They were just a stronger greek tribe and managed to create a bigger kingdom. Under roman and byzantine rule they were fully assimilated greeks.

If you want to claim that the slavic people mixed with the indigenous greek macedonians and thus you are part of the greek macedonian heritage then that is probably correct. But you cannot claim macedonian heritage without claiming greek heritage also. If you would say to greeks "Hey we are descendants of ancient greek macedonians" without putting in doubt that the ancient macedonians were a greek tribe, i am assuming greeks would have no problems with that. and neither would you.

Same thing was with german tribes and austria. Austrians managed to create a separate strong kingdom and they were independent from the other german tribes who unified at some point. Doesn't mean they are not germans though.

I am assuming greeks would have no big problem with your country being called macedonia if you would quit antiquization...
 
I am assuming greeks would have no big problem with your country being called macedonia if you would quit antiquization...

I let go of the hate remark (which I find unacceptable and to be condemned by any reasonable person reading this forum).

But, the last statement is more or less accurate
 
I let go of the hate remark (which I find unacceptable and to be condemned by any reasonable person reading this forum).

But, the last statement is more or less accurate

I'm half greek, raised and living in greece. that makes my hate comment acceptable
 
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I solut him he is my king. He would be our king and we would go along with his army.

If Aleksander wos alive today there is no doubt that he would protect us since we cary on his traditions (Macedonian GOV, Army, Land, Flag, etc). Greeks on the other hand try to make him something he never wos HE NEVER WOS AND NEVER WILL BE GREEK HE WOS MACEDONIAN). He would probobly kill all Athenians that try to steal him and Macedonia, Just as Filip kill the whole Greek army.

You should listen to him:

...
3) I've told you before, I'll tell you again. Cut down on the booze. This thing will kill you one day!

Alcohol kills brain cells and you need any single cell you have left alive.

Btw, this clip, with the fake audio, is disgusting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4kJ...eature=related
Stop using it.
 
No wonder the youtube clip of yours is emty.

As expected no one of you say sorry for the behavior in the clips and instead try to make my racist.

And yet you re the one more civilian Greeks so what about the hardcore onece.

To me is obvious can be no solution and negotions should stop onece and for all.

I will go on on this topic and show the Greek face and what is going on.
 
Robin I honestly hate greece and greeks, and their well-being is none of my concern. But what you write there is deranged. Ancient macedonians were as greek as Athenians, Spartans, Ionians, etc were. They were just a stronger greek tribe and managed to create a bigger kingdom. Under roman and byzantine rule they were fully assimilated greeks.

If you want to claim that the slavic people mixed with the indigenous greek macedonians and thus you are part of the greek macedonian heritage then that is probably correct. But you cannot claim macedonian heritage without claiming greek heritage also. If you would say to greeks "Hey we are descendants of ancient greek macedonians" without putting in doubt that the ancient macedonians were a greek tribe, i am assuming greeks would have no problems with that. and neither would you.

Same thing was with german tribes and austria. Austrians managed to create a separate strong kingdom and they were independent from the other german tribes who unified at some point. Doesn't mean they are not germans though.

I am assuming greeks would have no big problem with your country being called macedonia if you would quit antiquization...


Fist af all the term Greece and Greek didint exist. I will never recognize this as long as i live cuz it is a huge fake made up just 200 years ago.

Secondly Macedonians was completely separated from the others in that region at the time. Treated as foreigners on the olympic games.

Own gov, own flag, own army, own king.

Ancient warriors-Macedonians (11.00-15.00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3S84XBa4Mg

This is the truth so stop manipulate the history.

Third, modern Greeks have nothing to do with old Athenians. Most of you are Egyptions that has been assimilated. This is prooven by DNA test.

So I will never recognize you as real Athenians, you are not like them not by DNA structure, not by bone structure noor by skin noor by metality, your dark and they were white.

I call you Egyptians.

This is funny to me that Egyptions should tech us history.


I am assuming greeks would have no big problem with your country being called macedonia if you would quit antiquization.

They started to block us from Nato and EU long before statue of Aleksandar wos built in Skopje. So you assuming very wrong.

One of the reson we built it is cuz of that.
 
Voluntarily left !?!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQB4VaRU4js


On the clip you can hear Egyptian politican say we voluntarily left !!!!!.


How Egyptians become majority in agean macedonia 1912 when Macedonia for the first time in history entered the "Greek" teritory.


This is what happend and still happen.
http://www.vecer.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=6595193E837BD64980CA0C6755DF0B14


Pictures of kids and mudered Macedonians:
http://www.vecer.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/C6CAE54C33AC0C49A50F001911691483.jpg
http://www.vecer.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/9BE2B007D8B2E54FA8E2DB4EFFE58D8E.jpg
http://www.vecer.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/52DC279C40457D49B07F55BB1B77AC43.jpg
http://www.vecer.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/2CAB8B2FD52BCD4280076D3327D985A4.jpg


Exclusive: FROM feuilleton "Macedonian revivalist XIX Century" (4)


From God's life suffers from Macedonia to Greece


Macedonian correspondent of the "newspaper of Constantinople" (3. III 1860) writes: "This country is Macedonia - and if you look at nature, nature, customs, the character of the people, their attitudes, their physiognomy, will fully recognize those same men in old compiled Alexandra phalanges of Macedonia ". Therefore, the master of Ohrid was appointed by the Municipality of Thessaloniki proudly proclaims "I am neither Bulgarian, Serb, Greek nor Cincarin and I am pure Macedonian, such as were Philip and Alexander the Macedonian and Aristotle philosopher "


In 1844. appears translation of a book on Alexander the Macedonian who had wide reception right in Macedonia. Even now the Macedonian name has become synonymous with the glory and pride. Oral traditions and legends of Philip and Alexander of Macedon, along with those Kings Volkasin and Marko, they found support in the printed word and the support of priests and teachers. That these "truths" have "all" in Macedonia to testify even knew Tues And. Grigorovich. After traveling in Macedonia 1844-1845, after he announces: "In vseh vidennih stranah Sun slehal drugih The krome Alexandra Tues and Mark-kraljevicha ...". No wonder that George krivopalanechkiot teacher Macedon in 1846. declares: "Slavic alphabet I learned from my father, Demetrius of Macedon, where so called, because we are Macedonians, not Greeks ... And I got his nickname of Macedon, not by my father and grandfather to We know that the Slavs of Macedonia ". A similar statement and Dimitri jerejot the same end in Macedonia in 1848: "For my appointment up to push Mr. Michael Macedonia, Macedonian, because I was born and service minded Mon Slav. Be written by God, my fatherland Macedonia suffers from the Greeks, so they do not give us peace today, although everyone knows that Macedonia was older than their state and Kingdom ...".




Archival photographs from the expelled Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia

This country is Macedonia

At the same time and the teacher in Kilkis, argued with Grkot of the individuality of the Macedonian nation. And because such interest, and collection of Miladinovci as first published stories of what we find Alexander of Macedon.

The same reflects the Macedonian correspondent of the "newspaper of Constantinople" (3. III 1860) when he writes: "This country is Macedonia - and if you look at nature, nature, customs, the character of the people, their attitudes, their physiognomy, will fully they recognize those men of old compiled phalanges of Alexandra Macedonia ". Therefore, the master of Ohrid was appointed by the Municipality of Thessaloniki (replacing the previous Bulgarian teacher) proudly proclaims "I am neither Bulgarian nor Greek noor Serb, nor Cincarin and I am pure Macedonian, such as were Philip and Alexander the Macedonian and Aristotle philosopher ". I at that time (16. II 1865) and Benjamin Macukovski looking for Stephen Verkovic "stories and songs for White Alexandra and Philip" and oppose Grkot for membership of Macedonia on the basis of coins Alexandra (19. VIII 1865). The Bulgarian national activist and writer Q. R. Slavejkov back in the 50s heard "from Macedonists they were not Bulgarians but Macedonians, descendants of ancient Macedonians" and that they "uporstvuvaat in his Macedonian origin."

THEY ARE TARGETS ... MACEDONIANS

"Finally - the article starts Slavejkov - Macedonian question has proved to notice and in the press. We say finally, because this issue is not new. We heard from a decade ago by some of Macedonia. At first we've taken these words young patriots as a joke and as a result of the raised temperature of our admittedly unlikely serious arguments. So we thought we until a year or two years, when new interviews with some Macedonians showed us that not only question the bare words, but many thought skaat to put into life. " His etnogeneza they temelele directly from the ancient Macedonians:
"When the ancient Macedonians lived in these same places - used to say - why not today's inhabitants are of Macedonian blood? They are Macedonians ... goals."

Answering the Slavejkova him, the young teacher and textbook writer Macedonian D. Tues Macedonian among others reminds him:
"Macedonians are not lost from the face of the earth, as you allow some to say, because, as we know, they sinned once, so the Zine and swallow."
Such was the consciousness of our world written in the middle of the XIX century. They argued with the Greeks on nationality and ethnicity of ancient Macedonians. But in this conflict with Hellenism, expressed primarily in the fight against the Greek churches and schools, appeared in Macedonia and the Slavic Orthodox Russia with its slovenizam but "slovenobugarsko" sound - according to the ideology of J. Venelin. And when schools begin to appear textbooks and teachers Bulgarian and Macedonian citizenship first came alive in touch with the Bulgarian and Bulgarian book, noted not only diversity, but tugjost. Even when through the authority of Russian science and policy have adopted landmark Bulgarian Macedonians opposed by highlighting its uniqueness and Bulgaria as taksiraa Shopi. Unable to use as a Slavic ethnic name just a name, because it showed undifferentiated ethnic Macedonians accepted the name of their homeland that tradition had continued and was associated with a glorious past, and to distinguish it from the Greeks by the European Science pretended the ancient Macedonian name and heritage, they came up with a sufficiently differentiated and combined term "slovenomakedonizam" (following the practices already "slavenosrbizam" and "slavanoblgarizam") is often identified with the term "nashizam."

So in our history in the same or in different figures from that period are found quite different and often conflicting declarations of the nationalities. To understand these processes more closely, we will point out the parallelism of some key phenomena and events primarily in the Slavic world. For example., Slovaks learned Shafarik Joseph and Jan Kolar became active fighters to create "Czechoslovak" language of "Czechoslovak" nation. Ljudevit crudest of action for separation as a separate Slovak literary language since it 1846. caused a decisive response. Let us recall that just at this time Struga Greek tutor Dimitri Miladinov after suggestion of a young Russian Slavist Tues And. Grigorovich, a first attempt at grammatical codification of the Macedonian language, when Slovenian poet France Preseren how to drop the official German language and revolutionary in 1848. has created its "crown Soneten" and just then and Montenegrin bishop and ruler Q. Q. Njegos announced his dramatic spev "Mountain vijenac" while in Prague was held and widely proclaimed Boys First Slavic Congress in Vienna and opened the first Slavic Department under the guidance of renowned Slavist Fr. Mikloshich. Just two years later, in 1850. Vienna was signed in Serbo-Croatian agreement on a common literary language of the Serbs and Croats.

EVENING transmits the newest book by academician Blaze Ristovski, chief editor of the first "Macedonian Encyclopedia". Publisher of dvotomnoto historical work is "three"

CONTINUED: Prlicev linked Cyril and Methodius by Philip and Alexander of Macedon
 
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I am assuming greeks would have no big problem with your country being called macedonia if you would quit antiquization...

They would still oppose our constitutional name and thus our entry into NATO/EU.

Ancient macedonians were as greek as Athenians, Spartans, Ionians, etc were.

I don't think they were as Greek as that, and they were not recognized as such by the other Greek entities.
 
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