tonia
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Having Obradovic is a blessing and a curse at the same time
At PAO's case, Obradovic left at the same time when DPG took over the team. So, it was a double blow, I'm not sure what hurt the most.
European Competitions 2023/24 - Signings & Rumours
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Having Obradovic is a blessing and a curse at the same time
At PAO's case, Obradovic left at the same time when DPG took over the team. So, it was a double blow, I'm not sure what hurt the most.
lol that got me.
tonia
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So, Partizan has unlimited budget but Lessort preferred PAO's money instead? Or the unlimited budget was not predefined before ABA finals?
Punter was about to prefer Barcelona's lower offer than PAO's, so I'm not sure if money is all that he cares about.
AmonRA
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i guess that u understand, that unlimited budget means that u can buy what has the price, and cant buy someone who doesnt wont to be bought..
exum wanted another chance in nba, so "price" of that is that he now getting less money in nba, then leday in partizan..
exum wanted another chance in nba, so "price" of that is that he now getting less money in nba, then leday in partizan..
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tonia
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I didn't bring up Exum because it is understandable that he would prefer to go to NBA, at any case.
If Lessort wanted to leave Partizan for different reasons than financial, then ok.
coinho
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After Obradovic era, Pao had average (above avareage) budgets.
Obradovic doesnt work with average (above average) budgets.
Last season (Punter,Leday,Exum,Lessort, Nunnaly, Pappapetru etc).. Season before that Punter, Leday, Lessort (Eurocup team bring f4 players).. This season Partizan budget will be the highest one. He works with some of the biggest budgets in competitions his clubs plays. This year Partizan will have a similar budget as your PAO (the very top of the Euroleague).
And what you said is the true, it is very blessing for Partizan to have Obradovic there, because the state wanted him here and gave him a guarantee about the budget.
tonia
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Obradovic wants to be a coach of a leading team. What is really the point to buy cheap players, manage to make a winning team, raise the players' value and not have the budget to keep them? Then he should start over each year. The bad thing is that European basketball is not a profitable sport. I hope the state can keep giving him the budget needed.
ronmercer80
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So one of the reasons why the budget is very high is Obradovic presence.
Ok, this is something that should be underlined. I wrote myself the opposite thing about Katash, he demonstrated to be a very good coach on court BUT he never demands anything and his presence, his character will be exploited by the owners who don't like to spend money.
Unfortunately the latest Maccabi news seem to confirm my prevision.
Edgar
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No one says that he is average coach but you need to be honest. I am fan of Panathinaikos. And I do think he is good but I don't look at him as a God. Truth is he had year by year the biggest budget in the Panathinaikos. He had backourt of DD13, Spanoulis, Saras and Nicholas. That is probably the best backcourt of all time in the Euroleague. Had Fotsis who was one of the best forwards and Batiste the best big guy. In one moment Batiste, Pekovic, Tsartsaris, Fotsis...I mean come on. Also, incredible fans behind. Panathinaikos was unbeatable in OAKA. DPG comes, he leaves. Why? Budget. Where he goes? In Fener. Fener gave him pretty nice budget and also has huge home court adventage because of the fans. Didn't do anything in the 1st couple of years even though he has great players and great budget. And then Fener gave him literally unlimited budget and he brought Udoh, Datome straight from NBA. 1 euroleague won. Could he do better? Definitely! I am not saying this was disaster but it's not great. He leaves when Fener cuts budget by a lot. Same story like his spell in Panathinaikos. He arrived in Partizan in the situation when Serbia gave money for the big budget. Where he was year before when Paige, Rashawn Thomas and Mika were best players? Then he arrived and immediately Leday and Punter who were at F4 came to the EC team. Avramovic who was one of best scorer in ACB league. This year he brought Papapetrou who was the captain of Panathinaikos and by performances one of the best forwards in the whole EL to keep him on the bench. I would like to see how would he do it in Zalgiris or Alba where you have very limited budget. Ataman when he finally got big budget won literally 3 EL(covid season he would win). Also played final year before. Not to mention that he transformed Micic who was backup in the Zalgiris in the MVP, Larkin didn't play in Baskonia nowhere near close like in Efes. Also Simon was okay guy in the Milano but he used him completely different and was his glue guy who would do absolutely everything. Utilized all his skills in the maximum way. That's why I don't understand critics towards Ataman from PAO fans and let's say crying for Obradovic...
Great post. Thank you.
Levenspiel
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This is interesting. Just wondering, don't the owners want to win, too? Mizrahi is attending every game, I would expect him to go to the coach and offer more budget.
ronmercer80
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Mizrahi is always ok, he loves the team, he suffers when they lose.
But he doesn't command any more. The problem are the Federmans, their industries suffered the financial crisis and lost a lot of money. Their main goal is to sell the tickets for the whole season and till now they have always managed to do that. The results are of secondary importance.
Mike maccabifan of course is better informed. The only man that could make the team great again is the older owner that the actual owners ousted, I never understood how. Ranaan Katz.
tonia
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If I'm not wrong, since 2020 Fener's budget has been steadily around 24 millions, which is similar to Partizan's budget. So, why leave Fener? Why didn't he prefer to sign to teams with the highest budgets, like Real or Barcelona?
Because they wouldnt let him do what he wants.
ronmercer80
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Are you sure that they tried to keep him? He lost the championship to Efes and Ataman playing quite poorly. After Udoh's departure the team worsened a lot. My impression was that both parts preferred to be separated.
tonia
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I'm not sure about it, I just don't think that the reason he left was that Fener reduced their budget, since Partizan has as budget as Fener had after Obradovic.
The reason was the reduction of the budget and nothing else. He wanted FB officials to kiss his butt to stay and they reacted too slowly. They probably were not very eager to secure him.
paspalj
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So you're saying that Obradovic didn't win before 2009? Or before he came to Pao? Or maybe you're suggesting that anyone with a big budget succeeds?
(I know you're not saying any of these things, I'm using these questions as a plot device because either purposefully or by accident you didn't mention his previous accomplishments)
Success in everything in life (including sports) is a mixture of hard work and luck. Obradovic was able to make the most from the opportunity that was given to him. Once he was at the top, he is able to demand what his working environment will look like.
Why would Obradovic stay with a team that can't be competitive? If you were a programmer and your company took away your fancy Macbook Pro to replace it with a Pentium II, wouldn't you be upset? Wouldn't this hinder your ability to work at the maximum of your potential?
If you're a teacher and your school can provide your classroom with iPads, and notebooks, and pens, and wifi, would you just accept it if they cut the budget and now you have to teach on the chalkboard?
If you're a driver for Alfa Romeo and you have the chance to go to Red Bull, wouldn't you do it?
There is a misconception which I addressed above. You say:
Which is precisely what I wrote that I wouldn't do:
Wanting the best working environment so that you can succeed is something that I find extremely natural. If what you're saying was a measure stick for everyone, then the big teams should have no players. Everyone should go play for smaller teams because only then their titles would mean anything.
Because Ataman never pulled something like what Pao did against Barcelona in 2011. Zeliko has shown signs of coaching genius. I'm not saying that Ataman is a bad coach but I haven't followed him closely and I haven't seen any "mastery" from the bench to steal games that he wasn't supposed to win.
PS1: Do you remember the lush period of 2003-2005 that Obradovic stayed with Pao? That wasn't so fancy now wasn't it?
PS2: I'm not even gonna comment on Papapetrou. We at Pao (some of the fans I mean, I'm not speaking on behalf of the team) really don't look forward at having him. He is greek though, and we need him, so it is what it is.
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What I didnt like about ZOC: he wants an environment where he can do as he likes. He sees your club as his home as long as you provide money to build his team. He likes to bring over his Serbian players to polish them into stars and he lets the club to pay ridiculous buyouts to support Serbian teams. The only good thing he left behind was Erdem Can.
There is not a single attempt to bring local Turkish players to the next level. I wont deny that at that time there were many ready guys but even then I am sure he wouldnt care. Its nothing wrong with that attitude if the club let you do but I consider him to be a parasite. I mean the attitude and its not an insult. The moment you cant provide what he wants he is in the flight.
There is not a single attempt to bring local Turkish players to the next level. I wont deny that at that time there were many ready guys but even then I am sure he wouldnt care. Its nothing wrong with that attitude if the club let you do but I consider him to be a parasite. I mean the attitude and its not an insult. The moment you cant provide what he wants he is in the flight.