European Competitions 2023/24 - Signings & Rumours

[paspalj]

What I didnt like about ZOC: he wants an environment where he can do as he likes. He sees your club as his home as long as you provide money to build his team. He likes to bring over his Serbian players to polish them into stars and he lets the club to pay ridiculous buyouts to support Serbian teams. The only good thing he left behind was Erdem Can.

There is not a single attempt to bring local Turkish players to the next level. I wont deny that at that time there were many ready guys but even then I am sure he wouldnt care. Its nothing wrong with that attitude if the club let you do but I consider him to be a parasite. I mean the attitude and its not an insult. The moment you cant provide what he wants he is in the flight.

There are coaches that leave a legacy for the team for years to come: development of promising young players, developing and using internal talent (through modern ways to run the youth team and the way it interacts with the mens team), good scouting team, setting the tone on how fans should behave and stuff like that.

Obradovic is not one of those coaches. He is only interested in winning. When he departs he doesn't leave something behind for the team to organically continue. So yeah Toruko, I don't disagree with what you're saying but at the same time I (personally) don't find it parasitic. I think it's closer to symbiotic.

 

[Toruko]

There are coaches that leave a legacy for the team for years to come: development of promising young players, developing and using internal talent (through modern ways to run the youth team and the way it interacts with the mens team), good scouting team, setting the tone on how fans should behave and stuff like that.

Obradovic is not one of those coaches. He is only interested in winning. When he departs he doesn't leave something behind for the team to organically continue. So yeah Toruko, I don't disagree with what you're saying but at the same time I (personally) don't find it parasitic. I think it's closer to symbiotic.

Oh I dont blame him. He always plays with open cards but I blame FB to not have a structure, a certain appoach, a sustainable system. Of course a club with 20 million fans will always be able to put 20 million euros on the table but the system remains unsustainable. Yesterday it was a Serbian coach and the backbone of the team were ex yugo player, today FB resembles the Greek NT.

And this is the answer of the question why ZOC didnt go to Barca or Real Madrid. He couldnt settle issues as he likes. Surely, with ZOC success comes, he is a great system coach but he leaves a mess behind when he goes.

 

[tonia]

What I didnt like about ZOC: he wants an environment where he can do as he likes. He sees your club as his home as long as you provide money to build his team. He likes to bring over his Serbian players to polish them into stars and he lets the club to pay ridiculous buyouts to support Serbian teams. The only good thing he left behind was Erdem Can.

There is not a single attempt to bring local Turkish players to the next level. I wont deny that at that time there were many ready guys but even then I am sure he wouldnt care. Its nothing wrong with that attitude if the club let you do but I consider him to be a parasite. I mean the attitude and its not an insult. The moment you cant provide what he wants he is in the flight.

We loved that he brought Rebraca to Panathinaikos. He also brought the players who turned out to be the best greek players (Diamantidis and Spanoulis) and also we could sign almost whoever player we wanted, thanks to his/our team's achievements and of course our presidents' money. According to you, we managed to provide him what he wanted for 13 years! Not bad!

 

[Toruko]

We loved that he brought Rebraca to Panathinaikos. He also brought the players who turned out to be the best greek players (Diamantidis and Spanoulis) and also we could sign almost whoever player we wanted, thanks to his/our team's achievements and of course our presidents' money. According to you, we managed to provide him what he wanted for 13 years! Not bad!

There is no problem. I am happy if you are happy.

 

[Edgar]

So you're saying that Obradovic didn't win before 2009? Or before he came to Pao? Or maybe you're suggesting that anyone with a big budget succeeds?
(I know you're not saying any of these things, I'm using these questions as a plot device because either purposefully or by accident you didn't mention his previous accomplishments)

Success in everything in life (including sports) is a mixture of hard work and luck. Obradovic was able to make the most from the opportunity that was given to him. Once he was at the top, he is able to demand what his working environment will look like.

Why would Obradovic stay with a team that can't be competitive? If you were a programmer and your company took away your fancy Macbook Pro to replace it with a Pentium II, wouldn't you be upset? Wouldn't this hinder your ability to work at the maximum of your potential?

If you're a teacher and your school can provide your classroom with iPads, and notebooks, and pens, and wifi, would you just accept it if they cut the budget and now you have to teach on the chalkboard?

If you're a driver for Alfa Romeo and you have the chance to go to Red Bull, wouldn't you do it?

There is a misconception which I addressed above. You say:

Which is precisely what I wrote that I wouldn't do:


Wanting the best working environment so that you can succeed is something that I find extremely natural. If what you're saying was a measure stick for everyone, then the big teams should have no players. Everyone should go play for smaller teams because only then their titles would mean anything.


Because Ataman never pulled something like what Pao did against Barcelona in 2011. Zeliko has shown signs of coaching genius. I'm not saying that Ataman is a bad coach but I haven't followed him closely and I haven't seen any "mastery" from the bench to steal games that he wasn't supposed to win.

PS1: Do you remember the lush period of 2003-2005 that Obradovic stayed with Pao? That wasn't so fancy now wasn't it?
PS2: I'm not even gonna comment on Papapetrou. We at Pao (some of the fans I mean, I'm not speaking on behalf of the team) really don't look forward at having him. He is greek though, and we need him, so it is what it is.

Ok, so let start. I never said he didn't win anything before 2009, but about which year you are talking about? 2002? Bodiroga, the best player. Kutluay, Middleton, Mulaomerovic, great Greek core (Lazaros, Alvertis, Kalaitzis...) that was incredible roster and very, very expensive. That's pure truth. 2007 same story. Diamantidis and Siskauskas backcourt. Becirovic, Batiste, Tomasevic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas...F4 at OAKA...I think with this squad me and you would play at the F4 as a coaches. You are talking about 03-05 period. Whose fault was that? I would say Obradovic's. He had Lakovic who had 2 monster seasons, he was playing like he was on the steroids. Scepanovic was pretty nice, Kutluay came back, Femerling, Tsartaris was really nice, Chatzivrettas also...Batiste just arrived but in the 2nd season he was already one of the best big guys. What he achived? 3rd place in 2005.season and that's it. Huge failure like it or not. You are not talking about 05-06 when he lost againat Baskonia game 3 at OAKA in the 1/4? Spanoulis was awesome, Diamantidis, Lakovic, Tomasevic, Batiste...incredible team. HUGE FAILURE. 2008 he has Batiste, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Saras and he can't get to the playoffs. Failure. 2010 also.
Of course I don't expect him to coach Samsunspor but you need to admit that terms and conditions were always great wherever he arrived. From the fans to the budget. It is what it is. I don't blame him but that's why I don't consider him as some God's creature like most PAO fans do.
I see you didn't mention a lot about his time in Fener. 1st season not even playoffs. His choice were Zoric, Bjelica, Kleiza...also had McCalebb, Bojan Bogdanovic...next season had Bogdan Bogdanovic, Goudelock who was European Mamba, brought Vesely from the NBA and again nothing. Also won Turkish league because Ataman decided to not come in Ulker arena and next season lost against Karsiyaka in the semis. That's just pure trash for money he had. And then he has more money and brought Datome, Antic, Udoh and also Dixon who was incredible. If 2017 finals wasn't in Istanbul I don't think we would ever seen Fener at the top of the Europe. Ataman when he got the budget beated him in the Turkey and the Europe. He left when budget decreased. You can't compare his squad with what Kokoskov had (O'Quinn, Alex Perez, Barthel, Ulanovas, Pierre....)
Oh yeah and the last part is brilliant. So you are telling me you adore Obradovic becouse of his 2011 series against Barca...hm, so if Pedoulakis managed next season to beat Barca while leading 2-1 he would be probably next to Obradovic in your opinion? That's just very weird reason to appreciate someone. I can't take from Obradovic how much he managed to improve Diamantidis and Spanoulis and practically made them who were they as a players but Ataman did the same with some guys. But I will give Zeljko adventage there. All I am saying is if Ataman had budgets like Zeljko did and teams, I think he would win actually more Euroleagues than Zeljko. Maybe I am crazy but that's my perspective and as a fan of Panathinaikos I am pretty thrilled to have him at the bench.

 

[paspalj]

Ok, so let start. I never said he didn't win anything before 2009, but about which year you are talking about? 2002?

No, I'm talking about 1992, 1994, and 1995

Bodiroga, the best player. Kutluay, Middleton, Mulaomerovic, great Greek core (Lazaros, Alvertis, Kalaitzis...) that was incredible roster and very, very expensive. That's pure truth. 2007 same story. Diamantidis and Siskauskas backcourt. Becirovic, Batiste, Tomasevic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas...F4 at OAKA...I think with this squad me and you would play at the F4 as a coaches.

So when winning it's the players' success. In failures, it's the coaches fault? Can't have it like that friend.

You are talking about 03-05 period. Whose fault was that? I

The olympic games and a decrease in budget.

What he achived? 3rd place in 2005.season and that's it. Huge failure like it or not. You are not talking about 05-06 when he lost againat Baskonia game 3 at OAKA in the 1/4? Spanoulis was awesome, Diamantidis, Lakovic, Tomasevic, Batiste...incredible team. HUGE FAILURE. 2010 also.

Yes, 2006 and 2010 were failures. No one will win every single time, I don't get your point.
How was 2005 a failure when CSKA had a 30-0 year? They were the complete favorites.

Of course I don't expect him to coach Samsunspor but you need to admit that terms and conditions were always great wherever he arrived.

No, he proved himself first, and then the terms and conditions were given to him.

I don't consider him as some God's creature like most PAO fans do.

I don't consider him a god's creature but he is by every metric the most successful coach in Europe in the history of the sport.

I see you didn't mention a lot about his time in Fener. 1st season not even playoffs. His choice were Zoric, Bjelica, Kleiza...also had McCalebb, Bojan Bogdanovic...next season had Bogdan Bogdanovic, Goudelock who was European Mamba, brought Vesely from the NBA and again nothing. Also won Turkish league because Ataman decided to not come in Ulker arena and next season lost against Karsiyaka in the semis. That's just pure trash for money he had. And then he has more money and brought Datome, Antic, Udoh and also Dixon who was incredible. If 2017 finals wasn't in Istanbul I don't think we would ever seen Fener at the top of the Europe. Ataman when he got the budget beated him in the Turkey and the Europe. He left when budget decreased. You can't compare his squad with what Kokoskov had (O'Quinn, Alex Perez, Barthel, Ulanovas, Pierre....)

Yeah man, people fail, what's your point?

Oh yeah and the last part is brilliant. So you are telling me you adore Obradovic becouse of his 2011 series against Barca...hm, so if Pedoulakis managed next season to beat Barca while leading 2-1 he would be probably next to Obradovic in your opinion? That's just very weird reason to appreciate someone. I can't take from Obradovic how much he managed to improve Diamantidis and Spanoulis and practically made them who were they as a players but Ataman did the same with same guys. But I will give Zeljko adventage there.

I never said I adore him. Also, I'm not sure if I'm being understood or you're just picking sentences out of context to build your point. I didn't say that that singular moment was the one tha made me like him. It's just one shining moment. I haven't noticed anything similar from Ataman. Obviously he is a top coach but the general consensus (correct me if I'm wrong) is that he gives a lot of freedom to his players. And you know what? If that works, that's fine by me.

All I am saying is if Ataman had budgets like Zeljko did and teams, I think he would won actually more Euroleagues than Zeljko. Maybe I am crazy but that's my perspective and as a fan od Panathinaikos I am pretty thrilled to have him at the bench.

Oh well, life is like that. You can never know and you can't really base your reality on such hypotheses. As I said, success is a mixture of work and luck. Some people (imagine every basketball player that had to compete during the Jordan era) are just unlucky. But that's not how history is written.

I'm excited for Ataman too don't get me wrong. After this many years, I'm not sure I would won't Zeliko back to be honest. But history has written who's the best coach and it's not even close.

 

[tonia]

Ok, so let start. I never said he didn't win anything before 2009, but about which year you are talking about? 2002? Bodiroga, the best player. Kutluay, Middleton, Mulaomerovic, great Greek core (Lazaros, Alvertis, Kalaitzis...) that was incredible roster and very, very expensive. That's pure truth. 2007 same story. Diamantidis and Siskauskas backcourt. Becirovic, Batiste, Tomasevic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas...F4 at OAKA...I think with this squad me and you would play at the F4 as a coaches. You are talking about 03-05 period. Whose fault was that? I would say Obradovic's. He had Lakovic who had 2 monster seasons, he was playing like he was on the steroids. Scepanovic was pretty nice, Kutluay came back, Femerling, Tsartaris was really nice, Chatzivrettas also...Batiste just arrived but in the 2nd season he was already one of the best big guys. What he achived? 3rd place in 2005.season and that's it. Huge failure like it or not. You are not talking about 05-06 when he lost againat Baskonia game 3 at OAKA in the 1/4? Spanoulis was awesome, Diamantidis, Lakovic, Tomasevic, Batiste...incredible team. HUGE FAILURE. 2008 he has Batiste, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Saras and he can't get to the playoffs. Failure. 2010 also.
Of course I don't expect him to coach Samsunspor but you need to admit that terms and conditions were always great wherever he arrived. From the fans to the budget. It is what it is. I don't blame him but that's why I don't consider him as some God's creature like most PAO fans do.
I see you didn't mention a lot about his time in Fener. 1st season not even playoffs. His choice were Zoric, Bjelica, Kleiza...also had McCalebb, Bojan Bogdanovic...next season had Bogdan Bogdanovic, Goudelock who was European Mamba, brought Vesely from the NBA and again nothing. Also won Turkish league because Ataman decided to not come in Ulker arena and next season lost against Karsiyaka in the semis. That's just pure trash for money he had. And then he has more money and brought Datome, Antic, Udoh and also Dixon who was incredible. If 2017 finals wasn't in Istanbul I don't think we would ever seen Fener at the top of the Europe. Ataman when he got the budget beated him in the Turkey and the Europe. He left when budget decreased. You can't compare his squad with what Kokoskov had (O'Quinn, Alex Perez, Barthel, Ulanovas, Pierre....)
Oh yeah and the last part is brilliant. So you are telling me you adore Obradovic becouse of his 2011 series against Barca...hm, so if Pedoulakis managed next season to beat Barca while leading 2-1 he would be probably next to Obradovic in your opinion? That's just very weird reason to appreciate someone. I can't take from Obradovic how much he managed to improve Diamantidis and Spanoulis and practically made them who were they as a players but Ataman did the same with some guys. But I will give Zeljko adventage there. All I am saying is if Ataman had budgets like Zeljko did and teams, I think he would win actually more Euroleagues than Zeljko. Maybe I am crazy but that's my perspective and as a fan of Panathinaikos I am pretty thrilled to have him at the bench.

If budget was the basic element for success, Barcelona and Real would win all trophies. We had spent tons of money before Obradovic. We signed coach Pavlisevic, Vrankovic, Gkalis, Radja, we brought Dominique and Byron Scott. But just 1 EL trophy until Obradovic.
I hope that you are right about Ataman. According to you, he has the required budget to overcome Obradovic. So, time will show.

 

[Edgar]

No, I'm talking about 1992, 1994, and 1995


So when winning it's the players' success. In failures, it's the coaches fault? Can't have it like that friend.


The olympic games and a decrease in budget.



Yes, 2006 and 2010 were failures. No one will win every single time, I don't get your point.
How was 2005 a failure when CSKA had a 30-0 year? They were the complete favorites.


No, he proved himself first, and then the terms and conditions were given to him.


I don't consider him a god's creature but he is by every metric the most successful coach in Europe in the history of the sport.


Yeah man, people fail, what's your point?


I never said I adore him. Also, I'm not sure if I'm being understood or you're just picking sentences out of context to build your point. I didn't say that that singular moment was the one tha made me like him. It's just one shining moment. I haven't noticed anything similar from Ataman. Obviously he is a top coach but the general consensus (correct me if I'm wrong) is that he gives a lot of freedom to his players. And you know what? If that works, that's fine by me.


Oh well, life is like that. You can never know and you can't really base your reality on such hypotheses. As I said, success is a mixture of work and luck. Some people (imagine every basketball player that had to compete during the Jordan era) are just unlucky. But that's not how history is written.

Obviously we have different opinions. I can't talk about 90s because I didn't watch basketball then unfortunately but I did since 00s. And that is the problem with measuring who is the best when you use stats and trophies. Of course they are imporant but Bill Russell has 11 rings, Wilt has all the records...are they the best ever? Nah. I do actually think that Ataman's philosophy of giving freedom to the players is actually pretty smart and shows that he is brilliant mind. You see Saras in Barca with his slow tempo offense where everyone does what he says...it's not working. Ataman saw that Larkin and Micic needs freedom and he made them champs and MVP. That Simon needs to do everything a little bit, changed Singleton completely from the guy he was in Pao or Barca to what he played in the Efes, Beubois used perfectly...etc. I do respect your opinion at the end of the day so no worries.

 

[Edgar]

If budget was the basic element for success, Barcelona and Real would win all trophies. We had spent tons of money before Obradovic. We signed coach Pavlisevic, Vrankovic, Gkalis, Radja, we brought Dominique and Byron Scott. But just 1 EL trophy until Obradovic.
I hope that you are right about Ataman. According to you, he has the required budget to overcome Obradovic. So, time will show.

Well I don't want to bet on that already but yeah, I do believe that with the players he wants and good support from the fans we can be at the F4. Without CSKA this year, Barca in some troubles, Olympiacos losing maybe both top 2 players, Efes in some rebuilding mode...yes, I think we should be there and it would be failure if we are just in the playoffs. Time will tell.

 

[paspalj]

Obviously we have different opinions. I can't talk about 90s because I didn't watch basketball then unfortunately but I did since 00s. And that is the problem with measuring who is the best when you use stats and trophies.

I completely agree that you can't compare figures from different eras. The whole thing might have seemed that it's Ataman vs Obradovic but the only thing that I wanted to talk about in the beginning is that Obradovic first won, *and then* high budgets were given to him. He didn't just land on a bunch of money out of nowhere. He succeded *first* and then he became sought after and was able to dictate the rules of his employment.

I do actually think that Ataman's philosophy of giving freedom to the players is actually pretty smart and shows that he is brilliant mind. You see Saras in Barca with his slow tempo offense where everyone does what he says...it's not working.

But there is a middle ground right? It's not one or the other.
Do you believe that Diamantidis didn't have the freedom to do what he wanted?
As I said, if it works, sure, do whatever you want. I hope his system works.

Let me clear, I 100% prefer Ataman to all the weirdos we've had. Like, that's not even a question. We're lucky to have him (as the second to last team in the EL). It's just that he has a couple of things that make me wish Laso had chosen to come to us. But he didn't and that's the end of story. I'll judge Ataman mildly at the end of his first season and more firmly at the end of his second season.

I do respect your opinion at the end of the day

Thanks, I respect your opinion too.

PS: For me personally, going to the playoffs and having a decent fight is a success. Teams are not built in a day. This would be an excellent first step. Next summer we can make whatever additions we need and aim for the F4.

 

[tonia]

Well I don't want to bet on that already but yeah, I do believe that with the players he wants and good support from the fans we can be at the F4. Without CSKA this year, Barca in some troubles, Olympiacos losing maybe both top 2 players, Efes in some rebuilding mode...yes, I think we should be there and it would be failure if we are just in the playoffs. Time will tell.

At his first year to the team, Obradovic managed to be champion with Panathinaikos. The least we should expect from Ataman would be our participation to the F4. However, I keep my expectations low and reaching top-8 would be enough for me. But if we don't, I expect DPG to send back Ataman to Istanbul by bus, nothing less ​​​​​

 

[Edgar]

I completely agree that you can't compare figures from different eras. The whole thing might have seemed that it's Ataman vs Obradovic but the only thing that I wanted to talk about in the beginning is that Obradovic first won, *and then* high budgets were given to him. He didn't just land on a bunch of money out of nowhere. He succeded *first* and then he became sought after and was able to dictate the rules of his employment.


But there is a middle ground right? It's not one or the other.
Do you believe that Diamantidis didn't have the freedom to do what he wanted?
As I said, if it works, sure, do whatever you want. I hope his system works.

Let me clear, I 100% prefer Ataman to all the weirdos we've had. Like, that's not even a question. We're lucky to have him (as the second to last team in the EL). It's just that he has a couple of things that make me wish Laso had chosen to come to us. But he didn't and that's the end of story. I'll judge Ataman mildly at the end of his first season and more firmly at the end of his second season.


Thanks, I respect your opinion too.

PS: For me personally, going to the playoffs and having a decent fight is a success. Teams are not built in a day. This would be an excellent first step. Next summer we can make whatever additions we need and aim for the F4.

No, no I get that Obradovic had results 1st and then he had all those opportunities in the Pao and Fener with combo fans-budget, but the thing is he actually had a lot of pretty I would even dare to say catastrophic seasons for someone I repeat most PAO fans consider top of the top. Ataman had fans in the Besiktas and Galatasaray but not the budgets at the top. In Efes had budget, fans also pretty good especially for the Efes and the results came. That's why I believe now he should and would be good for the Pao(if budget is like everyone is reporting). To be honest, part of me also wanted Laso but duo DPG and Ataman is a 1 time in life chance and I will tell my grandchildren I was watching this

 

[paspalj]

but duo DPG and Ataman is a 1 time in life chance and I will tell my grandchildren I was watching this

Indeed, at least if he fails we will maybe witness an amazing show.

 

[Edgar]

At his first year to the team, Obradovic managed to be champion with Panathinaikos. The least we should expect from Ataman would be our participation to the F4. However, I keep my expectations low and reaching top-8 would be enough for me. But if we don't, I expect DPG to send back Ataman to Istanbul by bus, nothing less ​​​​​

Yeah, DPG and Ataman will either go incredible good or so, so bad that they 2 will have fight in the lockeroom in october
Hopefully 2 guards we are waiting will be good, not Bryn damn Forbes and forwards are crucial. If Papapetrou is our starting SF after this season at the Partizan and Mantzoukas as a backup PF then we are in deeeep problems. Hopefully he will sign 8 foreigners. 2 just for the EL. Similar he had in the Efes. For Greek Championship technically we do need 6 Greek players, but 3, 4 for the rotation should be enough and Ataman always crucial games plays with short rotation. So I would like a lot more to spend more money at the foreigners and just forget about that Greek quota. Kalaitzakis, Papapetrou, Moraitis with Kostas is enough. I don't want Papagiannis for that money at all.

 

[tonia]

Yeah, DPG and Ataman will either go incredible good or so, so bad that they 2 will have fight in the lockeroom in october
Hopefully 2 guards we are waiting will be good, not Bryn damn Forbes and forwards are crucial. If Papapetrou is our starting SF after this season at the Partizan and Mantzoukas as a backup PF then we are in deeeep problems. Hopefully he will sign 8 foreigners. 2 just for the EL. Similar he had in the Efes. For Greek Championship technically we do need 6 Greek players, but 3, 4 for the rotation should be enough and Ataman always crucial games plays with short rotation. So I would like a lot more to spend more money at the foreigners and just forget about that Greek quota. Kalaitzakis, Papapetrou, Moraitis with Kostas is enough. I don't want Papagiannis for that money at all.

I think we need a good center, besides Lessort (Kostas should be the back up of the back up center). We just need a point guard who will be passing the ball to Papagiannis, the way Calathes used to do. If we don't keep Papagiannis, then who other can we sign? On the other side, Olympiakos has a really strong frontline with Fall, Milutinov and probably Mirotic..
Papapetrou didn't also play well during his last season to Panathinaikos, but I would like him to return as a back up small forward. We need our captain back

 

[LuDux]

Zalgiris signs C/F Danielius Lavrinovicius. No known connection to Lavrinovic twins, most likely 13th player for local league

 

[Levenspiel]

Bodiroga, the best player. Kutluay, Middleton, Mulaomerovic, great Greek core (Lazaros, Alvertis, Kalaitzis...) that was incredible roster and very, very expensive. That's pure truth. 2007 same story. Diamantidis and Siskauskas backcourt. Becirovic, Batiste, Tomasevic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas...F4 at OAKA...I think with this squad me and you would play at the F4 as a coaches.

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I saw a Kutluay chat the other day, and he was talking about his days in PAO. Growing up as a star player in his previous clubs, he said he was used to taking many shots, regardless if he had a defender on his face or not. At PAO, though, he was surprised to realize he was always open! For the first time in his career, he was getting the balls at the best possible place all the time, with no defender around. And obviously, he credits this all to Obradovic, who made the bball machinery near perfect, even if it was with expensive players.

 

[tonia]

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I saw a Kutluay chat the other day, and he was talking about his days in PAO. Growing up as a star player in his previous clubs, he said he was used to taking many shots, regardless if he had a defender on his face or not. At PAO, though, he was surprised to realize he was always open! For the first time in his career, he was getting the balls at the best possible place all the time, with no defender around. And obviously, he credits this all to Obradovic, who made the bball machinery near perfect, even if it was with expensive players.

Something like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSPazt3kmA

 

[maccabeo]

mta is targeting petrusev. good player.nothing special. i think nobody in tel aviv consider the way this team must be revolutioned

 

[saras]

Obradovic used to be the best coach in Europe. Now there are many better than him,one of whom is ataman. Basketball is evolving, obradovic started to adapt to 2023 basketball this season a bit.

However he still remains the most successful coach, which has nothing to do with being good right now. He is good, but he is not the best anymore. Obradovic left cause of the decreased budget. Comments about leaving due to DPG are funny, cause he left from a team with a crazy owner and went to another team (fener) with a lunatic president who was fighting with opponent's team president ona woman's game and was even sentenced and served time in prison. But obradovic had no problem with cause he had unlimited budget, while PANATHINAIKOS was playing with diamantidis at his last days and some cheap (ukic was the highest paid after diamantidis on something like 700K/year contract)