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VEF Riga released Derek Williams and Raitis Grafs
pohani komarac
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after Delas, Marcus Johnson is leaving Cibona
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Typical US POINTguard with high EGO who can destroy all the system on the floor...
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thats the issue....
we havent see any system from Saron especially on 5/5 game...
When the team cant run he just give the ball to Tucker or Tapoutos and let them decide what to do.
In this point of view brown's addition is great in the sense that now we have another one guy with nice offensive skills.
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Vujcic was far from a nobody, he was one of the most touted youngsters in Europe, i remember Real Madrid being very interested in him before he joined Maccabi.
vujcic nobady.....just like benetton done grat scouting with moteijunas or bologna with lorbek
vujcic for surley wasn't nobady, he was always known as one of best prospect in europe, very hyped, dominated youth competitions along with giricek and sesar, had great season with kk split wich made something in iternational stage and was member of croatian national team alredy for 4 years in starting 5 along with kukoc, mulamerovic, giricek.....that surley isn't description of unknown player.....grat scouting is when you take some kid from 2nd german league as lotto pick and that guy becomes future hall of famer, not somebody who was sucsefull in iternational stages for years. maybe you consider that becose those days forums, ilegal streams, prospects hype sites were not so popular vujcic nobady
Examples like that of Nowitzki happen very seldom. Hi luck was having landed in Don Nelson' system. An other coach would have misused him as center and thus would not let him show his true potential. Nelson applied the same playing system like in the 1980ies Milwaukee Bucks and let Dirk shoot from outside and mid-range.
Vujcic was not a superstar he became. One can say, he wasn't a nobody since he starred for your teams (which is an equivalent of being nobody on men's level) and has laready proven himself in Split. Surely, he was on a different level of being known than Parker and especially Baston. However, you cannot compare him to Saras. He had good statistics on a mediocre team with a lot of freedoms. It's sth. different than being an important part of an all-star squad. But when this all-star squad came together, none of them culd be considered as an All-Star. Yet they've won right away.
Olympiacos had CSKA, TAU and Montepaschi in front of it during the regular season. Those three made it to the Final 4. Olympiacos eliminated Real MAdrid and made it to the quarterfinals, where it los 1-2 to the eventual champion CSKA Moscow, taking the game in Moscow. The second year roster however was much weaker than first year's one. The fact that he has not won a title doesn't make those seasons a failure. At least, he came much closer to winning the Greek league than Yannakis with a much more star-studden and expensive roster.
seahawk35
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what r u talking abt now??
He got fired on the end of the regular season after a disaster 7-7.
Yannakis was the coach against Madrid and Cska.
With such a big budget something else than 2nd place in the group behind Cska was not acceptable and he managed to finish in the last qualifing place of the group even worst than Zalgiris though....
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damn, he wasn't superstar with 21-23, like he was with 25
.....and split that year wasn't split is today, it was actually better split then cibona was 2 years ago. they lost from maccabi in qf if i remeber it well. he played in croatian senior nt big role, wich surley isn't "nothing"...it was so hard to recognize kid who is batling with fucka and playing along with kukoc. he had offers from all round europe, and decided from maccabi...it was great scouting like siena one with bo maccalebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7XGfqpeDY
Monumental memory collapse. Stupid me. Gershon was replaced after the regular season.
Still, a reshuffled roster in the second season and a very strong group were the reason, although Olympiacos was expected to record a few wins more. Again, three teams from this group played in the Final 4 that year and their budgets were quite high, too. It would be better to look at the next couple of seasons, monstrous budgets by Olympiacos, real All-Star rosters and still no titles.
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and their competition csk, pao, barca don't have monsterus budgets
when gershon won titles with maccabi, maccabi was one of richest teams in europe and still is among top 10 with money...they beat buch of youngsters from bologna wich surley didn't have bigger budget then maccabidamn, he wasn't superstar with 21-23, like he was with 25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7XGfqpeDY
He did nothing big at the NT. Just a random player on a not so soccussful NT. Please. When he came to Maccabi, he was not the arrived superstar like Jasikevicius. This is what it is all about. Not that he was a bad player or anything else. It's not that Maccabi made him. But Maccabi gave him the chance to maximize his strength and he won titles there, becoming a living legend in Europe.
The original talk started about Gershon being unable to work with a roster not full of All-Stars successfully. He was doing so before Maccabi (Galil Elyon), with Maccabi and after Maccabi (Bulgarian NT). In Maccabi, he coached two teams with totally different playing styles to championships in Europe. One wa all about defense and nobody knew its players. The other was all about offense with just one arrived superstar, lots of role players and a couple of guys who proved to be not only great but legendary. I was just opposing a wrong allegation.
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Just for the records let me remind that Pavisevic has won 2 euroleague titles too....
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it's Pavlicevic btw.
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the fact that team wasn't sucsefull is question for it's self, and has nothing to do with his quality, just like serbia 05.
he was just good decision and sing of one hyped player who alredy done something, not big, but also not anything, that didn't turn to be a bust. he wasn't star like saras, but was far from nobady like you said
neither gershon is bad coach, neither is bad for scouting but is far from how you describe him
and their competition csk, pao, barca don't have monsterus budgets
Olympiacos has failed against any of those teams because of having the wrong coach for this squad. Olympiacos could have outscored anybody in Europe but they had a defensive-minded coach with no clue about offense.
Maccabi is one of the richest clubs in Europe overall but in reality it might ranging somewhere in the middle of the EL. ULEB Cup has (had) teams with a bigger budget. Not a single MTA player is earning a million dollars.
A bunch of youngsters from Bologna? Their average age was 24.6. Maccabi's average age was 26.5 and that includes Deon Thomas who has played 45 seconds in that game. Without him it's 25.9. Not that much of a difference. Besides, before monumentally destroying Skipper, they have beaten the competition on the way to the final. The final was just the cherry on the cake. Next season, Maccabi repeated the trick, leaving the competition no chance. One year later, it was on the brink of recording a three-peat but a meltdown by Vujcic cost them the final. There is no reason to belittle what Maccabi has done and who guided it as a coach. In 2001 MTA got the title with guys they've made great. Huffman, Parker, Burstein etc.
I already corrected myself by making my point more precise.
Croatia had a mediocre NT back then and he was averaging five points on bad shooting percentage. But that doesn't matter. You got it right, he was nowhere in Jasikevicius' league, when he got to Maccabi. It wasn't about Vujcic at all. I just said that Maccabi has signed an arrived superstar ONCE, when Gershon has been winning titles.
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