2012 PBA Governors Cup

[durden_tyler2]

even though the league had earlier said only a tie for 2nd place after the semifinals would warrant a playoff .... with so many scenarios that could result to at most 3 teams having a chance to be the 2nd finalist, I wonder how Commisioner Chito Salud would handle said situation which it seems they never anticipated to happen, would it be fair to have the quotient system to decide the matter.

Actually Nards, you have to stop speculating on fair or not fair since it's the rules are already in black and white i know you are anticipating TNT's eventual challenge for a Fianls seat-- understandable since you work there

But here are the rules:

B. After semifinals (for 2nd Finals berth)

1. 2-way tie for 2nd - In the event of a two (2) way tie for 2nd position, the two teams playoff: The winner advances to the Finals.
2. One team wins 4-of-5 semifinal games but fails to land in top 2 - In the event that a team wins 4 of its 5 semifinals games but fails to land in the Top 2, this team
gains the right to challenge the 2nd placed team in a playoff. The winner advances to the Finals.
3. 2-way tie for 2nd and a lower ranked team wins 4 of 5 semifinal games. In the event of a two (2) way tie for 2nd position, the two teams playoff. The winner shall play the team which wins 4 of its 5 games in a knockout game. The winner advances to the Finals.
4. 2-way tie for 2nd and 2 lower-ranked teams win 4 of 5 semifinal games. In the event of a two (2) way tie for 2nd position and two lower ranked teams win 4 of its 5 games in the semifinals, the two teams tied at no. 2 playoff. The two lower ranked teams which win 4 of its 5 games shall likewise figure in a knockout game. The winners shall play in the final playoff game. The winner advances to the Finals.

5. 3-way tie for 2nd and one lower-ranked team wins 4 of 5 semifinal games. In the event of a three (3) way tie for 2nd position and a lower ranked team wins 4 of its 5 games in the semifinals, the PBA quotient shall be applied to the tied teams. The team with the 2nd highest quotient and the team with the lowest quotient shall play in a knockout game, with the winner facing the team with the highest quotient in another knockout game. The winner shall then play the team which won 4 of its 5 semis games in the final playoff game. The winner advances to the Finals.

With these rules, the PBA has done a commendable job in ties being decided by quotient alone-- but rather with playoff knockout games.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

I can't see TNT losing tonight. Not because ROS will not give them problems but TNT's the type of team that thrives in these situations. I can't imagine TNT as well getting eliminated when they still have two games left in their schedule. They may lose and not make it to the Finals, but it won't happen as early as tonight.

If ever TNT wins, the team standings would now be:

ROS - 9-4
BML - 9-4
TNT - 8-5
BGK - 8-5

Imagine if B-Meg defeated Meralco last Friday, they would have a commanding lead by this time and would have been the odds-on favorites to get the first semis berth. But it didn't happen so you know Wednesday's twinbill would be huge.

The TNT-BGK game would automatically become a sudden-death affair - the winner getting a Finals playoff while the loser getting eliminated. The B-Meg vs. ROS game would decide who would take the automatic Finals first seat, the loser setting up a playoff game against the winner of the TNT-BGK setto.

What happens if ROS wins? Then, the standings would be:

ROS - 10-3
BML - 9-4
BGK - 8-5
TNT - 7-6

TNT is eliminated. Only 3 teams are left. B-Meg needs to beat ROS by at least 6 points on Wednesday to earn the first Finals seat, otherwise, ROS enters the Finals first. BGK needs to beat TNT to earn a playoff for the 2nd Finals seat. A loss would eliminate the Gin Kings and a ROS-B-Meg finals would ensue.

Which is why a ROS win tonight will be huge for Yeng Guiao. They can still afford to lose against B-Meg on Wednesday by 5 points or less and still make it straight to the Finals. They also eliminate the perennial favorites, TNT, and will concern themselves with only two teams to contend with.

While I like ROS' chances, I still have some doubts. There's no doubt Yeng can do it but I don't know how his young upstarts can do it. I have faith in Jameel Cornley but he can be defended, as proven in the BGK game. I hope ROS proves me wrong because I sincerely want to see the E-Painters go all the way this time. One thing for sure though - the PBA did come up with a great schedule that allowed all the games to be relevant up to the final date.

 

[nardy2]

Actually Nards, you have to stop speculating on fair or not fair since it's the rules are already in black and white i know you are anticipating TNT's eventual challenge for a Fianls seat-- understandable since you work there

But here are the rules:



With these rules, the PBA has done a commendable job in ties being decided by quotient alone-- but rather with playoff knockout games.

Ok this answers my question.

but where is the scenario wherein there's one team getting 2nd place while 2 teams getting 4-of-5 semifinal games but will not happen anymore since Ginebra lost to BMeg yesterday and earlier TNT beat Meralco because if such were not the case, a scenario BMeg getting 2nd place and TNT and Ginebra both winning 4 out of 5 could have happen.

but correction, I don't work for TNT as I just help out the SBP to make it clear.

With your post and that of Jay, I rest my case and I'll just enjoy watching the rest of the games.

 

[reamily2]

Ros having infinite chances here after all said and done in semis only at most three teams will remain

 

[killmebusy2]

Actually Nards, you have to stop speculating on fair or not fair since it's the rules are already in black and white i know you are anticipating TNT's eventual challenge for a Fianls seat-- understandable since you work there

But here are the rules:



With these rules, the PBA has done a commendable job in ties being decided by quotient alone-- but rather with playoff knockout games.

see, this is what confused me..every rule is for a tie at 2nd...no mention for a tie at first then a lower team gets 4 of 5. hmmm...assuming ros wins tonight they'll go up to 10-3 while tnt gets eliminated. thing is if bgk beats tnt on wed they win 4 of 5 and if bmeg beats ros they tie them at 10-4...what then? 2 teams are tied at 1st with 10-4 records while the 3rd got the 4 of 5 rule.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Yes, that's correct KMB. What will happen therefore is that the quotient system would take place to determine who will end up first overall, thereby earning the first Finals berth. The second-placed team will meet the team that earned the 4 of 5 incentive in a playoff that will decide who will meet the first finalist.

It really isn't complicated. The setup was used in the past, dating back in the 80's when Commissioner Rudy Salud used this rule as an incentive for teams that suddenly emerges in the semifinal round. This doesn't happen everytime though - the 4 of 5 incentive is only applicable when the team standings are retained entering the semifinals. Otherwise, when everything is back to zero, then the incentive rule is not applicable.

It can actually be very exciting because there will be sudden-death games. A lot of sudden-death games in the mid to late 80's were borne out from this rule - the SMB-Anejo game of 1988 was a true classic that saw Joey Loyzaga feeding off Romy Mamaril for a twinner, and the game winner.

 

[killmebusy2]

Yes, that's correct KMB. What will happen therefore is that the quotient system would take place to determine who will end up first overall, thereby earning the first Finals berth. The second-placed team will meet the team that earned the 4 of 5 incentive in a playoff that will decide who will meet the first finalist.

It really isn't complicated. The setup was used in the past, dating back in the 80's when Commissioner Rudy Salud used this rule as an incentive for teams that suddenly emerges in the semifinal round. This doesn't happen everytime though - the 4 of 5 incentive is only applicable when the team standings are retained entering the semifinals. Otherwise, when everything is back to zero, then the incentive rule is not applicable.

It can actually be very exciting because there will be sudden-death games. A lot of sudden-death games in the mid to late 80's were borne out from this rule - the SMB-Anejo game of 1988 was a true classic that saw Joey Loyzaga feeding off Romy Mamaril for a twinner, and the game winner.

ok , got it..so the higher standing team is still prioritized over the 4 of 5 incentive team...thanks JPM! i thought it was the other way around coz the broadcast team always referred to the 4 of 5 incentive as an automatic finals berth.

 

[neo2]

ok , got it..so the higher standing team is still prioritized over the 4 of 5 incentive team...thanks JPM! i thought it was the other way around coz the broadcast team always referred to the 4 of 5 incentive as an automatic finals berth.[/QUOTE]

automatic playoff for a finals berth...

best case scenario:

ros will beat tnt.ros will lose to bmeg. tnt will lose to bgk.bmeg gets superior quitient. ros will lose to bgk. bmeg vs bgk in finals. bgk crowned as governors cup champion.caguioa mvp. raymundo finals mvp

 

[neo2]

on second thought, ros with 3 consecutive defeats? uum very unlikely.so i guess ros must beat tnt but should lose to bmeg, both in game and quotient and bgk beats tnt then ros in the playoff.

 

[Cryotek2]

on second thought, ros with 3 consecutive defeats? uum very unlikely.so i guess ros must beat tnt but should lose to bmeg, both in game and quotient and bgk beats tnt then ros in the playoff.

What if RosE beats TNT tonight and won again against Bmeg, while TNT finished-off BGK...it means there will no playoff scenario and we will have a Guiao-Cone finals duel!

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

What if RosE beats TNT tonight and won again against Bmeg, while TNT finished-off BGK...it means there will no playoff scenario and we will have a Guiao-Cone finals duel!

If that happens, the final team standings would be:

ROS - 11-3
B-Meg - 9-5
BGK - 8-6
TNT - 8-6

No playoff indeed. BGK and TNT won't get to avail of the 4 of 5 incentive since they only won 3 games. No team will actually end up with 4 wins as the semis standings would be:

ROS - 3-2
BML - 3-2
TNT - 3-2
BGK - 3-2
MB - 2-3
PBB - 1-4

The top 2 placers would automatically cop the 2 Finals seats.

 

[Joe Yabuki2]

no! no! no! Yeng, why do you let Lee guard, Castro/Alapag. You know both guys are faster/can outwit Lee on the court.

 

[Cryotek2]

We'll be having a do-or-die game on Wednesday!

 

[durden_tyler2]

We'll be having a do-or-die game on Wednesday!

The best-case scenario for the PBA! Great games but i'd have to pass and settle for a 36 year old Jason Williams playing at the MOA Arena-- i mean this is very hard to pass up being a White Chocolate fanboy Still, GO ROS!

 

[nardy2]

We'll be having a do-or-die game on Wednesday!

we have two games which have significant consequences on the Championship.

2012 GOVERNORS CUP

July 18, 2012

IMPORTANCE OF FIRST GAME IS THAT THE WINNER TOPS THE SEMIFINALS AND AUTOMATICALLY GETS THE FIRST SLOT TO THE BEST-OF-SEVEN CHAMPIONSHIP

SMART ARANETA COLISEUM
5:15 PM Game 61

Rain or Shine Elasto Painters

vs

B-MEG Llamados

IMPORTANCE OF SECOND GAME IS THAT THE WINNER GETS THE 4-OUT-5 SEMIFINAL WINS INCENTIVE AND GETS TO PLAY THE LOSSER OF THE FIRST GAME FOR THE SECOND SLOT TO THE BEST-OF-SEVEN CHAMPIONSHIP

SMART ARANETA COLISEUM
7:30 Game 62

Brgy Ginebra Kings

vs

Talk N Text Tropang Texters


The PBA did a great job with the re-scheduling as this blockbuster games at the SMART ARANETA Coliseum runs smack versus the All star Game at the SM MOA Arena powered by PLDT.

Now as a die-hard basketball fan where will you go and watch ..... going to Mall of Asia or going to Cubao

DT made his choice how about you guys hehehe!

 

[durden_tyler2]

we have two games which have significant consequences on the Championship.

2012 GOVERNORS CUP

July 18, 2012

IMPORTANCE OF FIRST GAME IS THAT THE WINNER TOPS THE SEMIFINALS AND AUTOMATICALLY GETS THE FIRST SLOT TO THE BEST-OF-SEVEN CHAMPIONSHIP

SMART ARANETA COLISEUM
5:15 PM Game 61

Rain or Shine Elasto Painters

vs

B-MEG Llamados

IMPORTANCE OF SECOND GAME IS THAT THE WINNER GETS THE 4-OUT-5 SEMIFINAL WINS INCENTIVE AND GETS TO PLAY THE LOSSER OF THE FIRST GAME FOR THE SECOND SLOT TO THE BEST-OF-SEVEN CHAMPIONSHIP

SMART ARANETA COLISEUM
7:30 Game 62

Brgy Ginebra Kings

vs

Talk N Text Tropang Texters


The PBA did a great job with the re-scheduling as this blockbuster games at the SMART ARANETA Coliseum runs smack versus the All star Game at the SM MOA Arena powered by PLDT.

Now as a die-hard basketball fan where will you go and watch ..... going to Mall of Asia or going to Cubao

DT made his choice how about you guys hehehe!

'twas an easy decision Nards. i may never get to see Jason Williams again if i miss the MOA game-- after all he's the reason why i became really, really, really addicted to this game. So yeah, boxscore viewing on one and real viewing on the other

 

[nardy2]

'twas an easy decision Nards. i may never get to see Jason Williams again if i miss the MOA game-- after all he's the reason why i became really, really, really addicted to this game. So yeah, boxscore viewing on one and real viewing on the other

White Chocolate played last with the Memphis Grizzlies is 2011 before he retired and expect him to be still in shape and can still dish-out those magical passes and make a dribbling exhibition. Wish it'll be an awesome game.

DT, Hope you get a good seat as I know you'll enjoy the game.

I would have loved to watch as I was getting free patron tickets but have to pass-up the opportunity as its my mother's 88th birthday and of course family comes first.

 

[trig2]

I had no plans on watching the legends game as its a wednesday game and its a bit far. But the 50% off ensogo deal is too good to pass up. 610 pesos is totally worth it. I'm looking forward to seeing Pippen, Rodman and Jwill go up against pba legends

 

[all_about2]

Count me in to watch the All Star Basketball Challenge live at Mall of Asia Arena. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to see former NBA players like Pippen, Rodman, Ritchmond, Horace Grant, Cliff Robinson and Jason Williams play against PBA legends. What a treat it will be.

 

[nardy2]

July 17 Game vs Westports Malaysia Dragons of the ABL