FIBA vs ULEB

[Boom_shakalaka]

no, it alredy caused oposite efect.....as we alredy saw in samples of who had their licsese and privlges Partizan, Olimpija and Cibona no magic bilioner will show up.....Fmp is no different story....keep dreaming, my "dream nightmare" are reality tough

If a team like Žalgiris from "small" and "poor" town Kaunas, Lithuania can get Euroleague license, then why not Crvena Zvezda, Partizan, Olimpija or Cibona?

Magic millionaire will not show up, because they don't want to constantly lose money without returns, but if they will sense a business opportunities in Euroleague, they will be willing to take part. And this is where i hope Jordi's Euroleague project is heading.


Žalgiris also doesn't have magic millionaire. Lithuanian municipal taxpayers apparently are willing to fund that franchise from their own pockets which Serbian, Slovenian or Croatian ones wouldn't agree to do.

If I was a multimillionaire I would call Jordi asap, and make a team in Riga, Latvia (similar metro population to Zagreb for example) and ask to provide long term Euroleague license and a spot for a next season. Wouldn't even bother playing in local Latvian league (Lol), or some artificial one like VTB league.

Imho euroleague right now needs some large scale investment which would tip the teams into not taking part in national leagues.

[Jon_Koncak]

yeah but when euroleague becomes a truly closed league fans from rich markets of europe where basketball is non existant will suddenly start following the sport.Furthermore in a dilemma between watcing Steph Curry or Branko Lazic they'll chose the latter.And just like that Crvena Zvezda will have a 30 million budget AND still make a profit totally realistic

[Boom_shakalaka]

Since first war of Jordi and FIBA what we have??? Greek league destroyed, ex yugo leagues destroyed, italian league destroyed.......who benifited? turkish and acb? but for how long? will juventud invest if there is no barca in acb? no....and no juventud and estudiantes, no spanish basketball

Greek and ex-yugo leagues were destroyed not because Jordi vs Fiba war, but because of internal demographic-economical developments of those states for the last 20 years. Even without Jordi's euroleague and its conflicts with FIBA, there would be a slow agony. How do you imagine to have competitive Serbian or Greek league if large clubs from local metropolis (in demographic and economic terms) like Belgrade and Athens have to compete in local national league with clubs from 30k "villages".

TV money is what makes professional team sport profitable. Do you think that Chinese and Arabs buy TV rights of La Liga to watch Osasuna play Levante? Well in Basketball NBA sets the trends, and Europe (Euroleague, FIBA whatever) can't emulate European football model because of that.

[Boom_shakalaka]

yeah but when euroleague becomes a truly closed league fans from rich markets of europe where basketball is non existant will suddenly start following the sport.Furthermore in a dilemma between watcing Steph Curry or Branko Lazic they'll chose the latter.And just like that Crvena Zvezda will have a 30 million budget AND still make a profit totally realistic

Its not like closed Euroleague will be ever able to compete with NBA, but if the wages are good enough so that the best European players will consider moving to NBA only in case of guaranteed starting lineup spot, then it would be success.

Which large European markets? Don't think that there will ever be an Euroleague team in London, UK. We already have example of Moscow, great Team, zero local interest considering size of population in that city, and success of that team. But the business model or lack of it in case of CSKA will never work or actually be allowed to happen in country like UK.

[Jon_Koncak]

Its not like closed Euroleague will be ever able to compete with NBA, but if the wages are good enough so that the best European players will consider moving to NBA only in case of guaranteed starting lineup spot, then it would be success.

Which large European markets? Don't think that there will ever be an Euroleague team in London, UK. We already have example of Moscow, great Team, zero local interest considering size of population in that city, and success of that team. But the business model or lack of it in case of CSKA will never work or actually be allowed to happen in country like UK.

well i agree with all of this.What i dont understand is what makes you think that just by closing the league and changing the competition system there will suddenly be such a surge of interest for Jordi Cup in Europe that teams will start making profits.That's just unrealistic.

[Boom_shakalaka]

well i agree with all of this.What i dont understand is what makes you think that just by closing the league and changing the competition system there will suddenly be such a surge of interest for Jordi Cup in Europe that teams will start making profits.That's just unrealistic.

Well attendance of Euroleague games is rising, so is the TV and online audience which is the most important. Closed league will not happen overnight, but this license thing is a way into that direction. What is currently needed is gradually more teams obtaining A level licenses over the fallowing years. Afaik there are only 11 teams with such licenses. For example can't really understand why Žalgiris has licence while Crvena Zvezda has not, apparently there is only an issue of minimum allowed team budget, which in Žalgiris case is higher thanks to Kaunas tax payers.

[pohani komarac]

If a team like Žalgiris from "small" and "poor" town Kaunas, Lithuania can get Euroleague license, then why not Crvena Zvezda, Partizan, Olimpija or Cibona?

they had A licsense, after they also had ufair 3 year point system. this is not something new, this was already tested. Cibona for sample had 2 times A licese for 3 years, after there was 3 year unfair poit system

all of that lead that Cibona, Split, Zadar, Olimpija, Partizan and also Red Star ending up in huge depts (manover that Zvezda did to avoid bakropt can oly be done in balkans, the real Red Star, not FMP)

In Latvia there can be championship without Riga or Israeli without Maccai maybe, we saw what happend to Serbian or Croatian league where best clubs participated only for 2 months....evryone else that didn't play adriatic league lost intrest, stoped investing, players keept avoiding playing in those leagues. same would happend in Spain without Barcelona and Madrid, Greece without Pao and Oly etc....

Get your fact straight, this is not america, this is not USA, we live in Europe, we have different system of value, different culture, different tradition, we function on different frequency...We need to do things our way, as simple as that

[Stevnsgade]

Wow... Euroleague has not accepted FIBAs new calendar and basically just said "too little, too late"...

[mojo13]

Wow... Euroleague has not accepted FIBAs new calendar and basically just said "too little, too late"...

Wild news today with France naming its EL players to its WC Qualification squad.

http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/european-qualifiers/news/france-announce-preliminary-squad-for-november-world-cup-qualifiers

Andrew Albicy
Fabien Causeur
Nando de Colo
Boris Diaw
Antoine Diot
Moustapha Fall
Thomas Heurtel
Edwin Jackson
Charles Kahudi
Louis Labeyrie
Adrien Moerman
Vincent Porier
Kevin Seraphin
Axel Toupane
Leo Westermann

Along with 9 back ups (24 total) in case the EL guys are not released.
The players on standby are Axel Boutelille, Mouhammadou Jaiteh, Axel Julien, Alain Koffi, Lahaou Konate, Paul Lacombe, Mathias Lessort, Amine Noua and Elie Okobo.

I am not sure what the heck is going on. Maybe a play to put pressure on the EL to change its dates. Since the deadline for the 24 man roster is now not until Nov 6th they have plenty of time to make chnages.

[Stevnsgade]

Wild news today with France naming its EL players to its WC Qualification squad.

http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/european-qualifiers/news/france-announce-preliminary-squad-for-november-world-cup-qualifiers

Andrew Albicy
Fabien Causeur
Nando de Colo
Boris Diaw
Antoine Diot
Moustapha Fall
Thomas Heurtel
Edwin Jackson
Charles Kahudi
Louis Labeyrie
Adrien Moerman
Vincent Porier
Kevin Seraphin
Axel Toupane
Leo Westermann

Along with 9 back ups (24 total) in case the EL guys are not released.
The players on standby are Axel Boutelille, Mouhammadou Jaiteh, Axel Julien, Alain Koffi, Lahaou Konate, Paul Lacombe, Mathias Lessort, Amine Noua and Elie Okobo.

I am not sure what the heck is going on. Maybe a play to put pressure on the EL to change its dates. Since the deadline for the 24 man roster is now not until Nov 6th they have plenty of time to make chnages.

France has an ordinary squad without its NBA and Euroleague players. It is sad if it will have consequences for them... Italy and Poland just announced their rosters too, and they have included Euroleague players too..

[mojo13]

France has an ordinary squad without its NBA and Euroleague players. It is sad if it will have consequences for them... Italy and Poland just announced their rosters too, and they have included Euroleague players too..

Turkey, Slovenia and Finnland too.


And then this.....


Leading European Federations condemn Euroleague’s attack on National Teams
Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Turkey issued the following joint statement

https://www.sportando.com/en/cups/euroleague/250662/leading-european-federations-condemn-euroleagues-attack-on-national-teams.html

[pohani komarac]

Turkey, Slovenia and Finnland too.


And then this.....


Leading European Federations condemn Euroleague’s attack on National Teams
Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Turkey issued the following joint statement
https://www.sportando.com/en/cups/eu...nal-teams.html

Why they don't attack NBA? It's bullshit. Teams are also crippled of not haveing NBA players too.....As much as I hate Jordi FIBA is not really helping in any way to get rid off that bitch

Untill basketball becomes like football and erth stops spinning when national teams play, national teams shold stick with summer

[mojo13]

Why they don't attack NBA? It's bullshit. Teams are also crippled of not haveing NBA players too.....As much as I hate Jordi FIBA is not really helping in any way to get rid off that bitch

Untill basketball becomes like football and erth stops spinning when national teams play, national teams shold stick with summer

Exactly...stick to summer. I'd like to call it hypocrisy, but FIBA is being a rational actor here. FIBA is too weak to attack the NBA, it does't have a chance to win that fight. Further people in North America care far, far less about FIBA and its competitions than elsewhere in the world. I am not sure how much it would matter to the average American bball fan if NBA players didn't participate at all in the WC or the Olympics. So FIBA tries to bully EuroLeague before it grows too much and while FIBA still has a chance to flex its power. FIBA is fighting for its money and power, that is all.

In my opinion who ever is paying the players should have the final say if that employee can work for another organization or not. Why should FIBA make money off the backs of these players if they are not paying for their services. Like the NCAA in the USA, it is just another corrupt organization trying to line their pockets off the backs of free labor.

[Picek]

I'm one of those who actually didn't want and still don't want euroleague in this format for many reasons of course and have been saying that after one season of closed EL format there will be evident lost of interest into Jordi's project.
on a small pattern so far but still enough for a debate about it, the average attendance on EL games actually shows a drop of 3,6% in attendance so far in comparison with the entire 2016/2017. season

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/2017%E2%80%9318_EuroLeague#/Attendances

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/2016%E2%80%9317_EuroLeague#/Attendances

only five teams actually have a higher average this year then they had last year (whole season) and those are: Žalgiris, Fenerbahce, Bamberg, Efes and Barcelona.
look at the fall on CSKA's attendance so far. so far they are down by 20,8% in comparison with last year but that will probably decrease a little after todays game.
it would be interesting to see TV ratings so far, but we are not in US.

[saras]

I'm one of those who actually didn't want and still don't want euroleague in this format for many reasons of course and have been saying that after one season of closed EL format there will be evident lost of interest into Jordi's project.
on a small pattern so far but still enough for a debate about it, the average attendance on EL games actually shows a drop of 3,6% in attendance so far in comparison with the entire 2016/2017. season

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/2017%E2%80%9318_EuroLeague#/Attendances

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/2016%E2%80%9317_EuroLeague#/Attendances

only five teams actually have a higher average this year then they had last year (whole season) and those are: Žalgiris, Fenerbahce, Bamberg, Efes and Barcelona.
look at the fall on CSKA's attendance so far. so far they are down by 20,8% in comparison with last year but that will probably decrease a little after todays game.
it would be interesting to see TV ratings so far, but we are not in US.

csska has played some games in their small court this year. for example last year against panathinaikos(early in the season) they played in the big stadium and had like 10000+ fans,while this year against panathinaikos they played in the small one with 5(?)-6 thousands. also panathinaikos has played only 3 games in OAKA,which is crucial considering the fact that we average more than 10000/game(and this year we had a record breaking in season tickets sales with more than 7000). i also dont agree with euromafia that bertomeu is in charge of,but i think the attendance will be higher this season compared to last season and it will be proven later in the season