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capitantiago2
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ok. properly noted. let's move on. hehehe
ok. properly noted. let's move on. hehehe
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tiffac2
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Oh your talking about that team... I thought you meant the current one, my bad man sorry.
Asi, no he has no Filipino blood but you gotta forgive the big fella coz he showed more patriotism when playing for the NT than the real Filipinos, as for Mick I always thought it was proven he has Filipino lineage just like Hartfield did.
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Brother patay-butiki is right, nothing will come out of the conversation.
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c_d2
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NoliEala FIBA has launched a completely new ranking system. The USA now tops all categories, incld the newly added youth rankings 4 Boys & Girls.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
RP now ranked 53rd in the Men's and 50th in Women's. Both rankings were +3 frm the previous rankings. RP boys is ranked 43rd n girls 44th.
22 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Among top asian teams, RP Men's had the 2nd biggest jump in rank with +3 nxt to Jor w/c had +6, while Women's had the best imprvmnt of all.
17 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Overall Combined ranking RP is 54th or an improvement of +3 and 11th in Asia.
11 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Considering we started ranked 61st in the Men's when SBP took over, we are thankful for the improvement. Lots of work still to do though.
10 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Can't accept though that India n Kuwait are ranked higher than our Men's while Syria, Jpn, Taipei n Malaysia are higher than our Boys team.
8 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Guess its how d rankings r computed using a 2 olympic cycle. When a new tourney s played, d oldest championship of that category drops out.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
So d fruits of our labor in all genders, ages and categories will come to fruition in 2012 when we complete another full cycle.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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interxavierxxx2
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How much points did our boys team get after the Youth Olympics?
THE11thROCK™2
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Philippines pulls-up to 12th in FIBA Asia rankings
Philippines pulls-up to 12th in FIBA Asia rankings
Philippines pulls-up to 12th in FIBA Asia rankings
Philippines basketball, now spearheaded by Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), proved that the pains of undertaking a national basketball program is worth all the effort in gaining back the respectability that the basketball-crazed country once commanded. After the recent staging of the 2010 FIBA World Basketball Championships, the latest FIBA World rankings had been released anew. RP Men's Basketball now ranks 53rd in the World and 12th in Asia after climbing-up three places in the rankings.
It is a stark contrast from when the Philippines had been stagnant and drowning in the rankings, as it was erstwhile managed by the controversial Basketball Association of the Phiippines (BAP). In 2005, the nation was ranked 65th in the World and 18th in Asia. Ridiculous, knowing that RP basketball is nowhere that level.
Though Philippines basketball has got a long uphill climb in the rankings, the current improvement in regional standings is commendable. SBP is ever present in all regional basketball tournaments, which includes not only the Men's basketball but the Youth and Women's as well. Even delegates of World basketball power Serbia is impressed in the current state of our national basketball program.
Yes, we could all take this new development than let an alien in Graham Lim and the BAP once again litter the national hoops scene. No more rag-tag teams and no-name players. No more to whipping boys and disrespect.
BAP was like an ogre unleashed to devour anyone on its' path. It was a nightmare for Philippine basketball.
For the uninitiated, it is good to read a few BAP horror stories. Not too long ago, BAP formed a Lhuillier sponsored team bound for SEA Games 2005 which horribly lost to former Parañaque Vice Mayor Anjo Yllana’s rag-tag team in the NBC pre-finals. Yllana even teased with gusto the national team in television program Eat Bulaga. His team was a concoction of politicians, former professional players, celebrities and ordinary weekend warriors assembled weeks before the tournament. It was so much of a viral news that it stirred the nation into frenzy. This dilemma caught the attention of the Basketball stakeholders in the country and questioned the capability of BAP to form national teams.
Months later, to show it's unnerving defiance it installed Boysie Zamar as head coach of SEABA RP team after rejecting proposals by POC to make Chot Reyes coach of RP five. Zamar was the very same mentor of that infamous SEA Games team.
It was an eye-opener for those who supported the BAP's cause. Some said it was too late to regain respect for Philippine basketball. Left unchecked, BAP had already wreaked havoc for so many years. Yet, it was only the gist of the story.
One bland caffeine shot by BAP was the 15th place finish of Cebuana Lhuiller in the prestigious 2003 FIBA-Asia Championships which featured 16 national teams. The catch was that RP must secure a top-two berth in the upcoming SEABA Championships to even qualify for the FIBA-Asia Championships 2005.
Through BAP's leadership, Lhuiller also manned the Philippine squad which figured in a terrible 8th place finish in 2004 William Jones Cup out of nine teams all-in-all. They lost their games with an average margin of 20 points or more.
To add another stain, BAP changed shoes and let Cebuana Lhuiller rest with the international entry of Philippine College of Criminology varsity to the 2004 FIBA Stankovic Cup. The result: RP was massacred, finished 8th out of 8 teams and lost all the games with an average margin of less than 40 points. Hell, we even lost to India by 18.
The list of horrific achievements goes on. The last stand of BAP was when it took hostage the nation as it created unscrupulous tales to discount the formation of another national basketball organization. It was in 2005 that the basketball stakeholders no longer wanted to tolerate BAP's grandstanding. However, BAP never wanted to let go of it's years of tyranny and shady deals. Still a recognized entity then to FIBA, the BAP caused the national team to be suspended in 2005. It effectively terminated any chances for the nation to join any FIBA sanctioned tournament.
PBA had a ready All-Pro national team prepared for FIBA Asia Championships. The problem was, they were not allowed to play anywhere FIBA had authority. The PBA-formed RP Team then was a strong contender for at least the top five team slots in any Asian tournament. Because of the suspension, the nationals were not given the green light and seated out the FIBA Asia 2005 tilt and the Asian Games basketball the following year.
This was when the call for the reinstatement for Philippine Basketball was heeded. This author, together with several Basketball forums members and social communities of concerned Filipinos, started the signature campaign so that FIBA will allow the Philippines to play basketball again in all its' sanctioned tourneys. This campaign which included this website PhilippineBasketballTeam, and other sites like MyPBA, Interbasket, InTheZone, PinoyExchange and several notable personalities like Patricia Hizon and others, expressed their support for the Philippine basketball as a whole.
In March 2007, FIBA reinstated the Philippines with the merger of BAP and SBP. It was a blessing in disguise that through the power struggles of the two organizations, the BAP was permanently ousted of its' grip in Philippines basketball. This came in conjunction with the deportation of BAP kingpin Graham Lim, a Chinese national who manhandled and disfigured RP basketball for a very long time. BAP still tried to make a case for itself in the eyes of FIBA in 2009 but SBP eventually wrestled the decision. Like worms, BAP took the battle to the Philippine courts but to no avail. It was also only later of this year that the Supreme Court adjudged with finality the validity of SBP's claim as the national basketball authority.
With all the chaos that the Philippine basketball went through, one may wonder if it's still possible to regain its' lost glory. Though the SBP is still laying down most of the groundwork, the result of its' labor is already satisfactory if not outright exemplary.
In 2007 Tokushima FIBA Asia, Team Pilipinas only lost by a few points against fated finalists Iran NT. The latest was a fourth place finish of Smart Gilas Pilipinas in the 2010 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup. It could have been higher if not for the one-point loss against eventual champions Lebanon. Although the Philippines has yet to capture another medal either in FIBA Asia and the Asian Games basketball after 1998, all the other Asian contenders know that RP is now a team to beat. Even NBA legend Bill Walton once said that the Philippines is the darkhorse of Asia. The Philippine team is now earning back that respect from its' perennial rivals, even though it has yet to achieve its' ultimate goal of Worlds and Olympics appearance.
The Women's and the RP Youth basketball is also currently making waves. It was only early this year that RP youth placed ninth in the Youth Olympic Games in Singapore. Though they were relegated to the classification phase, they did not bow out without scaring World superpowers Spain and Croatia by a losing margin of only two points average.
Going back to the rankings, some points in the ranking itself is confusing. It's funny how non-basketball countries like India and Kuwait are placed a notch higher than the Philippines. We should at least be placed in the fifth or sixth position though it would be subject to debate. But a 12th place rank below countries one which is known more for cricket is surprising. As explained in his twitter message, SBP President Noli Eala mentioned that the algorithm for rank calculation by FIBA is computed using two Olympics cycle. "So d fruits of our labor in all genders, ages and categories will come to fruition in 2012 when we complete another full cycle.", stated Eala.
The FIBA ranking itself is not the ultimate gauge of RP basketball. However, it is a testament to the continuing progress of Philippine basketball as a whole, both locally and internationally. With a new found stature SBP can stir the Philippines back into Asian supremacy. With power it can uplift RP, and with the same power it can bring our favorite national sport back to its' gloomy days. One can only hope that the current organization will not fall into the same trap that the BAP succumbed into. After all, power corrupts us all.
www.philippinebasketballteam.com
Philippines pulls-up to 12th in FIBA Asia rankings
Philippines pulls-up to 12th in FIBA Asia rankings
Philippines basketball, now spearheaded by Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), proved that the pains of undertaking a national basketball program is worth all the effort in gaining back the respectability that the basketball-crazed country once commanded. After the recent staging of the 2010 FIBA World Basketball Championships, the latest FIBA World rankings had been released anew. RP Men's Basketball now ranks 53rd in the World and 12th in Asia after climbing-up three places in the rankings.
It is a stark contrast from when the Philippines had been stagnant and drowning in the rankings, as it was erstwhile managed by the controversial Basketball Association of the Phiippines (BAP). In 2005, the nation was ranked 65th in the World and 18th in Asia. Ridiculous, knowing that RP basketball is nowhere that level.
Though Philippines basketball has got a long uphill climb in the rankings, the current improvement in regional standings is commendable. SBP is ever present in all regional basketball tournaments, which includes not only the Men's basketball but the Youth and Women's as well. Even delegates of World basketball power Serbia is impressed in the current state of our national basketball program.
Yes, we could all take this new development than let an alien in Graham Lim and the BAP once again litter the national hoops scene. No more rag-tag teams and no-name players. No more to whipping boys and disrespect.
BAP was like an ogre unleashed to devour anyone on its' path. It was a nightmare for Philippine basketball.
For the uninitiated, it is good to read a few BAP horror stories. Not too long ago, BAP formed a Lhuillier sponsored team bound for SEA Games 2005 which horribly lost to former Parañaque Vice Mayor Anjo Yllana’s rag-tag team in the NBC pre-finals. Yllana even teased with gusto the national team in television program Eat Bulaga. His team was a concoction of politicians, former professional players, celebrities and ordinary weekend warriors assembled weeks before the tournament. It was so much of a viral news that it stirred the nation into frenzy. This dilemma caught the attention of the Basketball stakeholders in the country and questioned the capability of BAP to form national teams.
Months later, to show it's unnerving defiance it installed Boysie Zamar as head coach of SEABA RP team after rejecting proposals by POC to make Chot Reyes coach of RP five. Zamar was the very same mentor of that infamous SEA Games team.
It was an eye-opener for those who supported the BAP's cause. Some said it was too late to regain respect for Philippine basketball. Left unchecked, BAP had already wreaked havoc for so many years. Yet, it was only the gist of the story.
One bland caffeine shot by BAP was the 15th place finish of Cebuana Lhuiller in the prestigious 2003 FIBA-Asia Championships which featured 16 national teams. The catch was that RP must secure a top-two berth in the upcoming SEABA Championships to even qualify for the FIBA-Asia Championships 2005.
Through BAP's leadership, Lhuiller also manned the Philippine squad which figured in a terrible 8th place finish in 2004 William Jones Cup out of nine teams all-in-all. They lost their games with an average margin of 20 points or more.
To add another stain, BAP changed shoes and let Cebuana Lhuiller rest with the international entry of Philippine College of Criminology varsity to the 2004 FIBA Stankovic Cup. The result: RP was massacred, finished 8th out of 8 teams and lost all the games with an average margin of less than 40 points. Hell, we even lost to India by 18.
The list of horrific achievements goes on. The last stand of BAP was when it took hostage the nation as it created unscrupulous tales to discount the formation of another national basketball organization. It was in 2005 that the basketball stakeholders no longer wanted to tolerate BAP's grandstanding. However, BAP never wanted to let go of it's years of tyranny and shady deals. Still a recognized entity then to FIBA, the BAP caused the national team to be suspended in 2005. It effectively terminated any chances for the nation to join any FIBA sanctioned tournament.
PBA had a ready All-Pro national team prepared for FIBA Asia Championships. The problem was, they were not allowed to play anywhere FIBA had authority. The PBA-formed RP Team then was a strong contender for at least the top five team slots in any Asian tournament. Because of the suspension, the nationals were not given the green light and seated out the FIBA Asia 2005 tilt and the Asian Games basketball the following year.
This was when the call for the reinstatement for Philippine Basketball was heeded. This author, together with several Basketball forums members and social communities of concerned Filipinos, started the signature campaign so that FIBA will allow the Philippines to play basketball again in all its' sanctioned tourneys. This campaign which included this website PhilippineBasketballTeam, and other sites like MyPBA, Interbasket, InTheZone, PinoyExchange and several notable personalities like Patricia Hizon and others, expressed their support for the Philippine basketball as a whole.
In March 2007, FIBA reinstated the Philippines with the merger of BAP and SBP. It was a blessing in disguise that through the power struggles of the two organizations, the BAP was permanently ousted of its' grip in Philippines basketball. This came in conjunction with the deportation of BAP kingpin Graham Lim, a Chinese national who manhandled and disfigured RP basketball for a very long time. BAP still tried to make a case for itself in the eyes of FIBA in 2009 but SBP eventually wrestled the decision. Like worms, BAP took the battle to the Philippine courts but to no avail. It was also only later of this year that the Supreme Court adjudged with finality the validity of SBP's claim as the national basketball authority.
With all the chaos that the Philippine basketball went through, one may wonder if it's still possible to regain its' lost glory. Though the SBP is still laying down most of the groundwork, the result of its' labor is already satisfactory if not outright exemplary.
In 2007 Tokushima FIBA Asia, Team Pilipinas only lost by a few points against fated finalists Iran NT. The latest was a fourth place finish of Smart Gilas Pilipinas in the 2010 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup. It could have been higher if not for the one-point loss against eventual champions Lebanon. Although the Philippines has yet to capture another medal either in FIBA Asia and the Asian Games basketball after 1998, all the other Asian contenders know that RP is now a team to beat. Even NBA legend Bill Walton once said that the Philippines is the darkhorse of Asia. The Philippine team is now earning back that respect from its' perennial rivals, even though it has yet to achieve its' ultimate goal of Worlds and Olympics appearance.
The Women's and the RP Youth basketball is also currently making waves. It was only early this year that RP youth placed ninth in the Youth Olympic Games in Singapore. Though they were relegated to the classification phase, they did not bow out without scaring World superpowers Spain and Croatia by a losing margin of only two points average.
Going back to the rankings, some points in the ranking itself is confusing. It's funny how non-basketball countries like India and Kuwait are placed a notch higher than the Philippines. We should at least be placed in the fifth or sixth position though it would be subject to debate. But a 12th place rank below countries one which is known more for cricket is surprising. As explained in his twitter message, SBP President Noli Eala mentioned that the algorithm for rank calculation by FIBA is computed using two Olympics cycle. "So d fruits of our labor in all genders, ages and categories will come to fruition in 2012 when we complete another full cycle.", stated Eala.
The FIBA ranking itself is not the ultimate gauge of RP basketball. However, it is a testament to the continuing progress of Philippine basketball as a whole, both locally and internationally. With a new found stature SBP can stir the Philippines back into Asian supremacy. With power it can uplift RP, and with the same power it can bring our favorite national sport back to its' gloomy days. One can only hope that the current organization will not fall into the same trap that the BAP succumbed into. After all, power corrupts us all.
www.philippinebasketballteam.com
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brod782
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^^ Hopefully we will eventually be placed at the right rank
with the SBP in command, barring major as@#@# moves
by certain individuals/factions. For me, it doesnt matter
how long it takes as long as we are in the right path....
Borrowing a line from PNoy, with SBP in command..
"..pwede na uling mangarap"
with the SBP in command, barring major as@#@# moves
by certain individuals/factions. For me, it doesnt matter
how long it takes as long as we are in the right path....
Borrowing a line from PNoy, with SBP in command..
"..pwede na uling mangarap"
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dxjayrock20082
Guest
^^ Hopefully we will eventually be placed at the right rank
with the SBP in command, barring major as@#@# moves
by certain individuals/factions. For me, it doesnt matter
how long it takes as long as we are in the right path....
Borrowing a line from PNoy, with SBP in command..
"..pwede na uling mangarap"
Our dreams will be fulfilled no matter what happens. Lol.
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all_about2
Guest
It`s good to know that the Philippines has improved its ranking in Asia being number 12. Hopefully, we can still progress and develop to a higher rank.
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yogaflame2
Guest
Nice, keep it up. Better ranking means better seeding which means better group away from group of death in Fiba competition.
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usausa2
Guest
Draws are totally based on the rankings, only the pots are.The draw itself is random, like the FIBA WC.
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Eaglefan972
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Philippine fiba ranking explained.
Philippine fiba ranking explained.
I've noticed that there are a lot of questions and misconceptions about how the Philippines is ranked on the FIBA scale. A lot of my fellow Filipinos who haven't followed the FIBA ASIA ranking system might not be familiar with how it works. Here's a step by step explanation.
*I've posted this elsewhere but it seems to deserve its own thread for the benefit of my fellow Filipino fans.
Currently, we're ranked 53rd (with 7.5 points) in the world.
Some Filipinos are wondering: Why are we ranked so low? How come there are teams on the rankings above us whom we know we can beat, and HAVE easily beaten in the past. (Like India and Kuwait, no disrespect meant to those teams intended.)
But here are some things to consider: Most of the tournaments where we have played well recently, don't count. The Asian Games, The Stankovic cup, the Champions Cup and the Jones Cup...they DO NOT count in the rankings.
That is why we slipped in the 90s even if we place 2nd, 4th, 3rd and 4th again all the Asian Games from 1990 to 2002. Because in the games which DID count (the Asian Basketball Confederation games) We were sending teams that had scrubs. (Once again, thank you BAP...)
And it's not based on just WHO we beat. But rather, how we finish.
Now before we continue, it is important to remember that in 2005, because of stupid politics and infighting between the Philippine Basketball politicians and stakeholders, FIBA suspended us from international competition. As you will see, this will still affect our rankings even after this tournament.
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For a brief explanation on FIBA rankings, and to better understand the system. CLICK HERE.
So (after checking the link) essentially, the only games which will count are:
FIBA World Championships
Olympic Basketball Tournaments
FIBA Africa Championships
FIBA Americas Championships
FIBA Asia Championships
Eurobasket Championships
FIBA Oceania Championships
The points are computed over two Olympic cycles (8 years) which covers 4 FIBA ASIA tournaments. Our current ranking is based on our performance over the past four Asian Championships:
Each place, from gold to 18th has corresponding points.
When we don't qualify or are suspended. We get 0 points.
That is then multiplied with the "WEIGHT POINT" of the tournament
(Asian Championships is 0.3)
We currently have 7.5 points for 53. here's the breakdown of our performances:
2003- 15th
2005- Suspended
2007- (PBA squad) 9th (Chot Reyes squad)
2009- (Powerade Philippines) 8th (Yeng Guiao Squad)
Total points 4+0+10+11=25 x.03 =7.5
That makes up our score as seen HERE.
*for the record, the 2003 team starred eventual PBA veterans Celino Cruz, Marc Pingris, Nelbert Omolon, Ricky Calimag and Willie Wilson. And IIRC, the 2001 team endured a suspension due to the BAP Jalasco-Puyat politics...
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Our NEXT ranking will be...
2005-Suspended
2007- 9th
2009- 8th
2011- ???
If we don't beat Chinese Taipei and finish 8th: We end up with 9.6 points (from 2005-2011) which is roughly good for a ranking of 50
If we beat Chinese Taipei and finish 4th: We end up with 10.8 points which would put us in the vicinity of 45 or 40.
If we somehow manage a bronze, that puts us at 15.3 points which may put us at 39 or 38.
It's tough because that "0" in 2005 will still count until AFTER the 2013 championships.
Because of that, even if we win it all (that means beating CT, IRAN AND CHINA) our point total will be 21.3 which is only good for around 35th.
But then with the Olympic stint, we'd have an additional 90 points (assuming we don't win a single game then) and we'd rank 20th, with 111.3 points.
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That "0" in 2005 is even more painful when you realize that we had a very well prepared team of PBA all-stars in 2005 who had been together since 2003. We also had Jimmy Alapag and Asi Taulava in their prime, they had played well in their US tour against US NCAA I teams. But the suspension kept them from playing. In fact: If they had played and finished 9th. (modest estimate. I believe they could have finished higher.) Then we'd have a ranking of 46 today.
By the time they played again in 2007, they had gone back to their respective PBA teams and were out of sync. Plus the big men had lost a step or two.
===
So if we do well in 2011 AND in 2013, we'll be right back where we belong.
And that is why we need SMART GILAS to continue NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS with the next few games.
Philippine fiba ranking explained.
I've noticed that there are a lot of questions and misconceptions about how the Philippines is ranked on the FIBA scale. A lot of my fellow Filipinos who haven't followed the FIBA ASIA ranking system might not be familiar with how it works. Here's a step by step explanation.
*I've posted this elsewhere but it seems to deserve its own thread for the benefit of my fellow Filipino fans.
Currently, we're ranked 53rd (with 7.5 points) in the world.
Some Filipinos are wondering: Why are we ranked so low? How come there are teams on the rankings above us whom we know we can beat, and HAVE easily beaten in the past. (Like India and Kuwait, no disrespect meant to those teams intended.)
But here are some things to consider: Most of the tournaments where we have played well recently, don't count. The Asian Games, The Stankovic cup, the Champions Cup and the Jones Cup...they DO NOT count in the rankings.
That is why we slipped in the 90s even if we place 2nd, 4th, 3rd and 4th again all the Asian Games from 1990 to 2002. Because in the games which DID count (the Asian Basketball Confederation games) We were sending teams that had scrubs. (Once again, thank you BAP...)
And it's not based on just WHO we beat. But rather, how we finish.
Now before we continue, it is important to remember that in 2005, because of stupid politics and infighting between the Philippine Basketball politicians and stakeholders, FIBA suspended us from international competition. As you will see, this will still affect our rankings even after this tournament.
====
For a brief explanation on FIBA rankings, and to better understand the system. CLICK HERE.
So (after checking the link) essentially, the only games which will count are:
FIBA World Championships
Olympic Basketball Tournaments
FIBA Africa Championships
FIBA Americas Championships
FIBA Asia Championships
Eurobasket Championships
FIBA Oceania Championships
The points are computed over two Olympic cycles (8 years) which covers 4 FIBA ASIA tournaments. Our current ranking is based on our performance over the past four Asian Championships:
Each place, from gold to 18th has corresponding points.
When we don't qualify or are suspended. We get 0 points.
That is then multiplied with the "WEIGHT POINT" of the tournament
(Asian Championships is 0.3)
We currently have 7.5 points for 53. here's the breakdown of our performances:
2003- 15th
2005- Suspended
2007- (PBA squad) 9th (Chot Reyes squad)
2009- (Powerade Philippines) 8th (Yeng Guiao Squad)
Total points 4+0+10+11=25 x.03 =7.5
That makes up our score as seen HERE.
*for the record, the 2003 team starred eventual PBA veterans Celino Cruz, Marc Pingris, Nelbert Omolon, Ricky Calimag and Willie Wilson. And IIRC, the 2001 team endured a suspension due to the BAP Jalasco-Puyat politics...
===========
Our NEXT ranking will be...
2005-Suspended
2007- 9th
2009- 8th
2011- ???
If we don't beat Chinese Taipei and finish 8th: We end up with 9.6 points (from 2005-2011) which is roughly good for a ranking of 50
If we beat Chinese Taipei and finish 4th: We end up with 10.8 points which would put us in the vicinity of 45 or 40.
If we somehow manage a bronze, that puts us at 15.3 points which may put us at 39 or 38.
It's tough because that "0" in 2005 will still count until AFTER the 2013 championships.
Because of that, even if we win it all (that means beating CT, IRAN AND CHINA) our point total will be 21.3 which is only good for around 35th.
But then with the Olympic stint, we'd have an additional 90 points (assuming we don't win a single game then) and we'd rank 20th, with 111.3 points.
===
That "0" in 2005 is even more painful when you realize that we had a very well prepared team of PBA all-stars in 2005 who had been together since 2003. We also had Jimmy Alapag and Asi Taulava in their prime, they had played well in their US tour against US NCAA I teams. But the suspension kept them from playing. In fact: If they had played and finished 9th. (modest estimate. I believe they could have finished higher.) Then we'd have a ranking of 46 today.
By the time they played again in 2007, they had gone back to their respective PBA teams and were out of sync. Plus the big men had lost a step or two.
===
So if we do well in 2011 AND in 2013, we'll be right back where we belong.
And that is why we need SMART GILAS to continue NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS with the next few games.
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durden_tyler2
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It's just a number.
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kerouac822
Guest
Whenever I look at FIBA rankings, I remember this run-in I had with that vimjonk character from PEx who intruded into IBN territory. Dude said that if one compared the Azkals' FIFA ranking and our FIBA rank and did a ratio-proportion calculation, the Azkals would actually come out as better-ranked. He conveniently forgot that FIFA includes the results of all games, friendlies included, in the rankings, whereas FIBA includes only tournaments where continental championships are at stake, or higher. This means that countries like Thailand and Cambodia, which almost never make it out of SEABA, have zero points and are thus unranked. This doesn't mean they don't have basketball there.
Wala lang. Of course, the douche took my words back to PEx and attempted to refute me there. Just a case of not having the balls to engage a group of informed basketball diehards. I wonder what he's thinking now that we're on the verge of getting a semifinals slot, and if everything pans out, our first Olympic berth.
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potz052
Guest
Hanggang dito ba naman!? 
Trans.
Man move on with that freakin' number! We all see what are team is doing right now. Even us die hard bball fans don't care much about the RP's rankings.
Trans.
Man move on with that freakin' number! We all see what are team is doing right now. Even us die hard bball fans don't care much about the RP's rankings.
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nardy2
Guest
the only way we'll jump high in the rankings at the earliest is if we win in Wuhan and we garner a respectable placing in London.
A 4th place or lower in FIBA-Asia only has minimal effect since the weight given to a FIBA-Asia Championship is only a lowly 30%.
1. Event selection and weight
FIBA World Championships 500%
Olympic Basketball Tournaments 500%
FIBA Africa Championships 20%
FIBA Americas Championships 80%
FIBA Asia Championships 30%
Eurobasket Championships 100%
FIBA Oceania Championships 10%
2. Competition Ranking Scoring System
Gold 50 pts
Silver 40 pts
Bronze 30 pts
4 15 pts
5 14 pts
6 13 pts
7 12 pts
8 11 pts
9 10 pts
10 9 pts
11 8 pts
12 7 pts
13 6 pts
14 5 pts
15 4 pts
16 3 pts
17 2 pts
18 etc... 1 pt
3. Cycle
The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle (including qualifying competitions at FIBA Zone level). Here are the number of competitions that are taken into account:
2 FIBA World Championships
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments
4 FIBA Africa Championships
4 FIBA Americas Championships
4 FIBA Asia Championships
4 Eurobasket Championships
4 FIBA Oceania Championships
Whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship of that category drops out. The FIBA Ranking is then recalculated.
A 4th place or lower in FIBA-Asia only has minimal effect since the weight given to a FIBA-Asia Championship is only a lowly 30%.
1. Event selection and weight
FIBA World Championships 500%
Olympic Basketball Tournaments 500%
FIBA Africa Championships 20%
FIBA Americas Championships 80%
FIBA Asia Championships 30%
Eurobasket Championships 100%
FIBA Oceania Championships 10%
2. Competition Ranking Scoring System
Gold 50 pts
Silver 40 pts
Bronze 30 pts
4 15 pts
5 14 pts
6 13 pts
7 12 pts
8 11 pts
9 10 pts
10 9 pts
11 8 pts
12 7 pts
13 6 pts
14 5 pts
15 4 pts
16 3 pts
17 2 pts
18 etc... 1 pt
3. Cycle
The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle (including qualifying competitions at FIBA Zone level). Here are the number of competitions that are taken into account:
2 FIBA World Championships
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments
4 FIBA Africa Championships
4 FIBA Americas Championships
4 FIBA Asia Championships
4 Eurobasket Championships
4 FIBA Oceania Championships
Whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship of that category drops out. The FIBA Ranking is then recalculated.
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reamily2
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really would have agood boost in rankings.. slowly but surely guys
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Servinio2
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Recalculated FIBA-Aisa rankings after the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's Championship at Wuhan, China:
Rank (Previous Rank)
1 (1) China 219.7
2 (2) Iran 83.1
3 (3) Lebanon 47.4
4 (6) Jordan 33.8
5 (5) South Korea 26.1
6 (7) Japan 23.8
7 (4) Qatar 22.4
8 (9) Chinese-Taipei 14.4
9 (12) Philippines 10.8
10 (8) Kazakhstan 10.2
11 (10) India 6.6
11 (15) Indonesia 6.6
13 (13) Uzbekistan 6.0
14 (18) United Arab Emirates 5.7
14 (11) Kuwait 5.7
16 (13) Syria 5.4
17 (17) Saudi Arabia 3.3
17 (19) Malaysia 3.3
19 (15) Hong Kong 3.0
20 (-) Bahrain 1.2
21 (20) Sri Lanka 0.9
Note: Points earned during the 2003 FIBA-Asia Men's at Harbin, China were discarded and points earned during the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's at Wuhan, China were added.
Rank (Previous Rank)
1 (1) China 219.7
2 (2) Iran 83.1
3 (3) Lebanon 47.4
4 (6) Jordan 33.8
5 (5) South Korea 26.1
6 (7) Japan 23.8
7 (4) Qatar 22.4
8 (9) Chinese-Taipei 14.4
9 (12) Philippines 10.8
10 (8) Kazakhstan 10.2
11 (10) India 6.6
11 (15) Indonesia 6.6
13 (13) Uzbekistan 6.0
14 (18) United Arab Emirates 5.7
14 (11) Kuwait 5.7
16 (13) Syria 5.4
17 (17) Saudi Arabia 3.3
17 (19) Malaysia 3.3
19 (15) Hong Kong 3.0
20 (-) Bahrain 1.2
21 (20) Sri Lanka 0.9
Note: Points earned during the 2003 FIBA-Asia Men's at Harbin, China were discarded and points earned during the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's at Wuhan, China were added.
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yogaflame2
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What a joke Taipei still higher than us
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reamily2
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they ranked higher than us in 2007 and 2009 so nothing to whine for us even though we OWN them everytime
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durden_tyler2
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they ranked higher than us in 2007 and 2009 so nothing to whine for us even though we OWN them everytime
Exactly. That's why it's just a number
Rankings like this are very, very subjective year-by-year.You're only as good as your last game, so they say.
