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Originally posted by Jay P. Mercado View PostPhilippine National Team 1993
1993 SEA Games Singapore
#4 Onchie Dela Cruz
#5 Long David
#6 Mike Orquillas
#7 Harmon CodiƱera
#8 Rodney Santos
#9 Eric Gascon
#10 Criz Bade
#11 Gilbert Castillo
#12 Peter Naron
#13 Siot Tanquingcen
#14 Poch Juinio
#15 Montoy Singson
Coach: Tembong Melencio
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Originally posted by el scorcho View PostWasn't this the hastily assembled team that most people thought would not win the Gold? Probably the most celebrated SEA Games Gold since it was not expected.
But this 1993 team was at least, playing on "neutral" ground in SG. I was never a fan of Tembong as a coach (I love him as a player) but it was his leadership, his grittiness, will to win, and ability to perk up his wards that were responsible for this team to win the gold. Siot was a revelation in this tournament and was the unsung hero because of his pure heart. Onchie and Harmon were the two ex-pros who reinforced this lineup (by this time, pro players can now play in the amateur tourneys) as Tembong had difficulty securing the best players in the PBL at that time (Marlou, Duremdes, Cantonjos, Espino, Locsin, Evangelista, Victoria, Feihl, etc.). This was a ragtag team hastily formed by Melencio and the then BAP as the PBL, in a dispute with the BAP, opted not to lend their players.
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Philippine National Team 1982
1982 Asian Games, New Delhi
Santiago Cabatu
Ramon "Onchie" DL Cruz
Artemio Gancayco
Dante Gonzalgo
Federico "Bokyo" Lauchengco
Ernesto "Joey" Loyzaga
William Pearson
Reynaldo Perez
Jesus Jay Ramirez
Ranulfo "Noni" Robles
Adonis Tierra
Jojo Villapando
Coach: Nathaniel Canson
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Originally posted by Jay P. Mercado View PostLoved this team! True, expectations were low and many were afraid we would suffer another debacle, not unlike 2 stagings back in KL when we got ripped off by our then arch rivals in SEA basketball. If memory serves me right, the teams were doing their pre-game warmup and round robin and the officials slapped a technical foul against us even before the start of the game (!) because our players were dunking the ball with authority. Anything to mess up the mental game of our players.
But this 1993 team was at least, playing on "neutral" ground in SG. I was never a fan of Tembong as a coach (I love him as a player) but it was his leadership, his grittiness, will to win, and ability to perk up his wards that were responsible for this team to win the gold. Siot was a revelation in this tournament and was the unsung hero because of his pure heart. Onchie and Harmon were the two ex-pros who reinforced this lineup (by this time, pro players can now play in the amateur tourneys) as Tembong had difficulty securing the best players in the PBL at that time (Marlou, Duremdes, Cantonjos, Espino, Locsin, Evangelista, Victoria, Feihl, etc.). This was a ragtag team hastily formed by Melencio and the then BAP as the PBL, in a dispute with the BAP, opted not to lend their players.
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Originally posted by Lebasketball View PostHi guys,
Im sharing with you the game between Lebanon and Philippines in the Fiba Asia 1999.
https://youtu.be/AI55geMZST4"How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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What I remember during the PBA centennial team, we were too proud of carrying the PBA brand and we were still dreaming that we are the best league in Asia. We have good up and coming semi amateurs back then with 6'9 Taulava and 6'7 Menk playing in the PBL and was fresh from his European stint as an import.around 97-98 if I remember correctly. We also have a dominant collegiate player in 6'6 Rommel Adducul who I think is as good as Espino already during that time if not better. 6'7 Danny Siegle was of course on his last year in college in Wagner and we have a young 6'2 Don don Hontiveros already but I think he might still be in the MBA during those time.
Andy Seigle and EJ Feihl could have been easily replaced by Taulava and Menk and Adducul could have replaced Limpot. Danny Seigle would easily take the place of Lastimosa while Dondon can play as a taller point guard replacing Racela. Here we have young,tall players that would have made us more competitive against the US div.1 college teams and would have made us more competitive against Korea and China.
We have these set of players who could have changed the complexion of the Centennial team but since the PBA is sponsoring the team, I doubt we would see non PBA players. We really lack the foresight back then and maybe even now and our talent scouting was really not at par as our Asian adversaries.Last edited by Alex07; 08-02-2020, 09:56 AM."How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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Originally posted by Lebasketball View PostHi guys,
Im sharing with you the game between Lebanon and Philippines in the Fiba Asia 1999.
https://youtu.be/AI55geMZST4LA Clippers(bcoz of PG13)
Morayta
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Originally posted by Alex07 View Post... We also have a dominant collegiate player in 6'6 Rommel Adducul who I think is as good as Espino already during that time if not better. 6'7 Danny Siegle was of course on his last year in college in Wagner and we have a young 6'2 Don don Hontiveros already but I think he might still be in the MBA during those time.
Andy Seigle and EJ Feihl could have been easily replaced by Taulava and Menk and Adducul could have replaced Limpot. Danny Seigle would easily take the place of Lastimosa while Dondon can play as a taller point guard replacing Racela. Here we have young,tall players that would have made us more competitive against the US div.1 college teams and would have made us more competitive against Korea and China.
We have these set of players who could have changed the complexion of the Centennial team but since the PBA is sponsoring the team, I doubt we would see non PBA players. We really lack the foresight back then and maybe even now and our talent scouting was really not at par as our Asian adversaries.sigpic
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Originally posted by shootingbwakaw View PostTheir professional careers don't lie. Adducul was no way better than Espino. He had a very limited offensive skill set and relied purely on brute force. This was exposed in his pre-cancer career. Norman Black said, he's not gonna overpower anyone in the PBA. Dondon, as good an offensive player that he is, lacks the handles and instincts to be a point guard. You can't convert a player who has never played the 1 position to orchestrate like a natural in a few short practices.
Dondon has decent handles although not in the level of Abbarientos and Racela.The good thing about Hontiveros is that he will be a bigger player to guard who I believe was the South Korean point guard back then, Kang Dong Hee and Dondon could also contribute and be our outside sniper aside from Caidic.
Taulava(if he have already fixed his citizenship documents) would have been our undisputed Center even though Aquino would have been the more popular player around that time.Taulava,Menk and Seigle in the 1998 team, given a good preparation time along with the other players in the US of course, would have been a different scenario against South Korea.I think with excellent defense against The Koreans, we have a very good chance to beat them as well as China.Yao vs Taulava might be one sides but Taulava might have a better chance against Wang Zhizhi or Mengke Bateer.Taulava vs Seo Jang Hoon will be a very enetartaining match up."How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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Originally posted by Alex07 View PostWhat I remember during the PBA centennial team, we were too proud of carrying the PBA brand and we were still dreaming that we are the best league in Asia. We have good up and coming semi amateurs back then with 6'9 Taulava and 6'7 Menk playing in the PBL and was fresh from his European stint as an import.around 97-98 if I remember correctly. We also have a dominant collegiate player in 6'6 Rommel Adducul who I think is as good as Espino already during that time if not better. 6'7 Danny Siegle was of course on his last year in college in Wagner and we have a young 6'2 Don don Hontiveros already but I think he might still be in the MBA during those time.
Andy Seigle and EJ Feihl could have been easily replaced by Taulava and Menk and Adducul could have replaced Limpot. Danny Seigle would easily take the place of Lastimosa while Dondon can play as a taller point guard replacing Racela. Here we have young,tall players that would have made us more competitive against the US div.1 college teams and would have made us more competitive against Korea and China.
We have these set of players who could have changed the complexion of the Centennial team but since the PBA is sponsoring the team, I doubt we would see non PBA players. We really lack the foresight back then and maybe even now and our talent scouting was really not at par as our Asian adversaries.
Cariaso should be on that team too in lieu of Lastimosa.
I would disagree with Adducul though, he's undersized at center and relied mostly on putbacks and power plays. The team was stacked with bigs already and he was no obvious better than Limpot and Espino.
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Originally posted by alfrancis View PostTaulava was already playing for Blu Detergent in the 1997 PBL Vis Min Cup. I was hoping he'll be included in the Centennial team but didn't happen. He could have had taken the slot of Feihl who looked more like clown on the floor. Taulava was a monster in 2002, how much more at 4 years younger. He surely could have made a difference.
Cariaso should be on that team too in lieu of Lastimosa.
I would disagree with Adducul though, he's undersized at center and relied mostly on putbacks and power plays. The team was stacked with bigs already and he was no obvious better than Limpot and Espino.
Last edited by Alex07; 08-03-2020, 02:10 AM."How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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