UAAP's 2013 2-Year Residency Rule (The Jerie Pinggoy Rule)

[kerouac822]

Come to think of it, isnt the UAAP also positioning themselves as private institutions who are pushing exclusivity? Nobody's barring the kids from studying. But these are exclusive schools with sky high tuition fees. now if events and exclusive restaurants reserve the right to refuse entry, then how are these schools any different? at this juncture, Pinggoy just looks like a kid who was refused entry to a restaurant because they exercised their right to refuse entry. Sure Pinggoy still has the freedom to eat and digest food, he just has to pick another place. Now if he should bring up that restaurant in a senate inquiry is the senate's call. Adds comic relief? Sure. But using tax money that i just filed two days ago for this is a bit of an overkill. just to me at least.

"Sure you can study some place else, but just not here." - That's my take away.

How does Pinggoy's right to study differ from my freedom to eat and drink at a restaurant that refused me entry? It would all go back to that argument with the UAAP being private. Of course there will be parties who will be up in arms. But that's how it is even in the government. The RH Bill had it's share of pros and cons too.

Exactly the reason schools offer scholarships -- these kids have the potential to succeed in athletics, academics, or both, but cannot afford to pay the tuition fees. UAAP schools have the right to determine who to admit, but it seems the UAAP, in its infinite wisdom, has given itself the power to dictate where a person can enroll.

 

[greenarcher2]

The arguments are going round and round. All the arguments now have been discussed already. Just read the 1st 8 pages of this thread, and the UAAP recruits thread.

 

[kerouac822]

The arguments are going round and round. All the arguments now have been discussed already. Just read the 1st 8 pages of this thread, and the UAAP recruits thread.

Still funny how people can't explain how the rule will be beneficial to the student-athlete, when the UAAP Board claims it is the primary reason the rule was passed.

 

[killmebusy2]

If Pingoy received an offer from competing schools he should have the option to choose freely where he goes, if he is a minor his parents have the prior right. Now if it was only FEU who offered then he has to choose them if he wants to play and study for free. If he really wants to study in Ateneo, but they did not offer, either he pays or try out and hope he gets accepted.

And as if a player like Pingoy and Ravenna will get totally snubbed, UAAP is not the only game in town.

like i said, it is only the pingoys and ravenas who can choose where to enroll...and they did. And yeah, nobody is forcing them not to go to the NCAA/NAASCU/CESAFI.

 

[killmebusy2]

While it is common knowledge that all UAAP schools have Team Bs, not everyone can afford to fund scholarships for those sitting out their residency. At most, they can only afford to give scholarships to basketball players.

But what about those who play other sports, such as tennis, table tennis, football, or fencing? What if a fencer from UE wanted to study business economics at UP and had no assured place in UE's college fencing team? He will be forced to sit out two years, with the possibility of not being able to even study at UP at all due to the dearth of available scholarships there.

While this rule is focused on basketball (and to a certain extent, volleyball), other sports will be affected, some more than others.

Hence, the release clause...

 

[kerouac822]

Hence, the release clause...

So, you're in fact agreeing that the new residency rule is aimed at stopping blue-chip players from "transferring" to other UAAP schools. Got it.

 

[killmebusy2]

So, you're in fact agreeing that the new residency rule is aimed at stopping blue-chip players from "transferring" to other UAAP schools. Got it.

Yes certainly that will be one of the fallouts. Blue chippers won't be stopped on doing what they want anyway sicne they'd still be the ones who will decide their fates, look at pingoy.

Conclusion is...the UAAP has the right to choose who plays in THEIR league and the member schools have the right to choose who to give THEIR scholarships to...MY game, MY rules.

If senator cayetano wants to start her own collegiate league then so be it. She could have done it the right way in fact, become the UP board member then fight it from the inside instead of from the outside looking in (and looking so miron-ic and epal-ish in doing so).

 

[kerouac822]

Yes certainly that will be one of the fallouts. Blue chippers won't be stopped on doing what they want anyway sicne they'd still be the ones who will decide their fates, look at pingoy.

Conclusion is...the UAAP has the right to choose who plays in THEIR league and the member schools have the right to choose who to give THEIR scholarships to...MY game, MY rules.

If senator cayetano wants to start her own collegiate league then so be it. She could have done it the right way in fact, become the UP board member then fight it from the inside instead of from the outside looking in (and looking so miron-ic and epal-ish in doing so).

1. Not true. This could actually deter children with athletic potential from enrolling in UAAP high schools as the rule will restrict their right to choose their college. This will also push the recruitment battle to a much earlier stage, like grade school.

You fail to see the bigger picture here. With or without the release clause, this rule curtails the movement of ALL student-athletes, not just basketball players. A university can choose not to grant a javelin thrower his release because... wala lang. Trip lang nila. There is always the danger of abitrary implementation of this rule.

2. That is a bully's mentality. The Soc Rivera rule was already wrong; this is ten times more stupid and malicious. The UAAP is, in reality, dictating its members to stop giving scholarships to graduates of other UAAP high schools.

Your suggestion, that of Senator Cayetano having to fight the rule from the inside, is similar to telling the police to stop interfering in matters of domestic violence, simply because they are private in nature. Might as well stop prosecuting things such as pyramid scams and embezzlement of company funds.

 

[ghostr!der2]

Para walang away, Ateneo & UP should just leave the UAAP and form another league together with San Beda, Letran & San Sebastian.

 

[arkuo142]

Para walang away, Ateneo & UP should just leave the UAAP and form another league together with San Beda, Letran & San Sebastian.

Game. Where do i sign? When's the first game?

It's all internet talk unless someone goes ahead and acts on it.

 

[Epithetless2]

Yet pingoy is being penalized for exercising a fundamental right.

 

[Epithetless2]

Yes certainly that will be one of the fallouts. Blue chippers won't be stopped on doing what they want anyway sicne they'd still be the ones who will decide their fates, look at pingoy.

Conclusion is...the UAAP has the right to choose who plays in THEIR league and the member schools have the right to choose who to give THEIR scholarships to...MY game, MY rules.

If senator cayetano wants to start her own collegiate league then so be it. She could have done it the right way in fact, become the UP board member then fight it from the inside instead of from the outside looking in (and looking so miron-ic and epal-ish in doing so).

For the most part that is true, but in this case the rule constrains a fundamental right.

 

[arkuo142]

Yet pingoy is being penalized for exercising a fundamental right.

Jerie could learn a thing or two from his fellow Atenean Mike Arroyo. If you got sh!t on him, file a case, then take it to court. Yun lang naman e. But in all honesty, i feel that he would graduate college and all, wala pa sa Supreme Court yan. Petitions, after petitions, after petitions.

 

[killmebusy2]

Para walang away, Ateneo & UP should just leave the UAAP and form another league together with San Beda, Letran & San Sebastian.

lol...letran and baste are the proponents of the no import rule which was approved by the NCAA Mancom so I doubt they will form a new league together with san beda and vice versa. Will the collegiate basketball scene survive without ateneo-dlsu and beda-letran? actually I like this idea but the school choices are wrong...gives more weight to the PCCL then.

 

[ghostr!der2]

Or another alternative would be to require all students to take a standardized test like the NSAT or NCEE. Grades are graded on a bell curve. Those performing 90% and up wouldn't need residency. Those in the 89-80% need one year residency. Finally, those in the 79-70% bracket need two year residency.

Tests will be Singaporean math ( including calculus), English, Filipino, Science (chemistry, physics, botany) and Asian history.

Needless to say, those who flunk aren't allowed to play.

Another safeguard could be maintenance of a graduation rate for team sports. If 90% of your team doesn't graduate, team is penalized by limiting the number of roster slots. I.E. If 90% of Ateneo's basketball team don't graduate, then instead of 16 slots in team A, they can only have 15 with no imports allowed.

This way the league will have true student athletes.

 

[BLUE HORSE2]

The graduation rate system is now used by the US NCAA. A lot of schools were shamed at their graduation rates that it is now a common practice for the coaches contract to have a clause that stipulates a salary bonus for improving the graduation rates of the student athletes. Not meeting the minimum would be cause for job termination. Case in point, the mens basketball program of Connecticut. Jim Calhoun was forced to resign when the school was suspended from participating in post season games and loss of scholarships this past season. Program changer was that their current players were allowed to opt out of their scholarship and play for another school without the mandatory 1 year residency, starting big man Alex Oriakhi transferred and played for Missouri. Worse case scenario is if school does not see any improvement, NCAA can hand down the "death penalty" to the school wherein the actual sports program is closed for a number of years where the school can not field a team.

 

[ghostr!der2]

KMB,

Any comments to the proposal to tie residency to academic performance of the athletes and team roster slots to the Academic Performance Rate (APR) / graduation rate of school teams? This way, we can actually weed out the fake athletes and eliminate the alleged corruption/pirating of players.

 

[greenarcher2]

If academics become a criteria for eligibility then there'll be no one left to play sports. How many Chris Tiu's are there?

 

[ghostr!der2]

If academics become a criteria for eligibility then there'll be no one left to play sports. How many Chris Tiu's are there?

You'd be surprised. Joma Adornado is Comptech, Tomas Ramos is Electronics and Computer Engineering, Fran Asuncion is Management Engineering, Karim Abdul is an Engineering student. The list goes on and on.

Using the argument of the UAAP Board, the weaker (academically) students will be allowed to enroll but have to serve residency in order to allow them to adjust to collegiate academics. Using the forced ranking method will weed out the slackers and really force the schools to ensure that their students are up to par academically with the rest of the region (Singapore, Malaysia, Japan & South Korea). It will put an end to pirating and mercenary students, which is what we all, supposedly want.

It will be truly a league composed of student-athletes.

 

[killmebusy2]

Stupid TRO...this is exactly what i am saying that pinoys always want to look for that loophole...always looking to bend the rules...why not just follow? Btw, bartolome already got her scholarship...so the issue about fundamental rights and studying and all that are out of the picture. Besides i don't really get what that fundamental right is...to compete? Or to study? I agree with the latter but competing is a different thing.