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Straight forward2
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Larkin and Sanli coming? Unlikely I think. Specially for the latter. He had some injuries and needs to get along with Barsa's system.
Larkin and Sanli coming? Unlikely I think. Specially for the latter. He had some injuries and needs to get along with Barsa's system.
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Katastroika2
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As first game is without EL players 100% as on same day and following day EL is being played i expect Efes and Fener player for second game. First game will be tough one with this roster to be honest. But second one it wlil be upgraded with domestic EL players and Larkin and should look overall two classes better.
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Toruko2
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Well, the Turkish EL players will play in the second game for sure. I dont expect Sanli to come over either tbh but he is not the biggest problem right now. We have enough center of enough quality for Belarus. Play making is another story. Efes and Fener would have let go of some even for the first game if the situation was a bit more positive but...
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Toruko2
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Larkin wont be in the first game in Minsk, Sanli wont be available for both games and one of Mahmutoglu or Hazer wont be available in the first game either.
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Katastroika2
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Frustrating situation, I really consider this unfair like for many other teams.
It's really a pervert situation that best teams are those with most Eurocup players like Latvia, Italy etc. and punishment goes to teams that create good players.
We are all in the same boat and at least there is some hope that this insanity will end from February ongoing. I really hope for solid national teams that they won't destroy their qualifiers in their opening windows.
It's really a pervert situation that best teams are those with most Eurocup players like Latvia, Italy etc. and punishment goes to teams that create good players.
We are all in the same boat and at least there is some hope that this insanity will end from February ongoing. I really hope for solid national teams that they won't destroy their qualifiers in their opening windows.
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Toruko2
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Puh, that was a tough start. The idea playing with two elite penetrators was a good idea but Furkan Haltali made many many unnecessary TOs. Metecan Birsen made a superb game grabbing every rebound he could get his defense was great as well. Such a complete player being one of the best rebounder of his position in Europe but no fire in him, can put the ball on the floor like a guard with 6'9 can pass. Was surely NBA Material.
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janketa2
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Like I wrote in other thread, we are the worst shooting nation.
Even in win with big margin against GB, percentage was 30%. Against BLR 20%
Youth category coaches should be ashamed, likewisa all previous presidents of Turkish Basketball Federation. Shame on them
Harun and Hido(Okur too) were great shooters and they should do something about that. At least in five or ten years from now we could have much better players(shooters)
Even in win with big margin against GB, percentage was 30%. Against BLR 20%
Youth category coaches should be ashamed, likewisa all previous presidents of Turkish Basketball Federation. Shame on them
Harun and Hido(Okur too) were great shooters and they should do something about that. At least in five or ten years from now we could have much better players(shooters)
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After the good and unexpectedly fast developments some players its time for a summarize of the Turkish NT.
The play making problem:
Undoubtedly, the biggest weakness of Turkish BB. Last time a Larkin was injured and couldnt be a part of the NT in Canada and nevertheless we were able to get two wins in the group stage against the successor Czech Republic thanks to the play making abilities of Osman and Korkmaz but the lack was shown against a weak Greek Roster. Even though Larkin doesnt have to make plays all the time thanks to Micic he is able to organize a fully team premised he is ready. There are some options but it will be Tuncer of Efes who will be chosen. The problems with Tuncer are his ups and downs in games, his lack of defending anyone and unnecessary TO. Risky as hell as your second PG but as your third guy he is ok and very suitable to our strength of rolling and popping bigs. Mert Akay who should have been available in September can be seen as the second guy. Its really unknown how prepared he will be for the upcomming Eurobasket 22 but he certainly gives good defense with his size and as pick and roll initiator. The weakness could turn to a strength after all. He is very young and we dont know how hell react to do or die games but when he can give good 10-15 minutes its enough for now.
Many options in the second guard position:
Even though I am not a fan of him Melih Mahmutoglu will be part of the team. To be shorten the discussion, he is a liability defensively but on a good day he can give you shooting. Pairing him with Larkin is a pain in the butt, thats why the existence of Mert Akay is so important. There are actually many options who bring talent and defense. With Sehmus Hazer there is defense and elite penetration skills. Needs to work on his ball handling skills at first. Onuralp Bitim and old Banvit guy Erkan Yilmaz could be options as well. Both can defend and give very good overall skill set.
Useful but unreliable Forwards
Despite his good seasons the role Cedi Osman is filling out cant be carried by him. He is not a scorer but is still a very valuable role player in Europe. Cedi with Larkin and Sengün can concentrate on the defense and can fulfill his role as the defensive anchor. Korkmaz on the other hand has also ups and downs and cant be trusted to carry a team through a tournament. Kormaz and Osman were the biggest problems in previous tournaments but as a bench piece he gives the bench a certain debt and always contributed in Europe.
The Power Forward problem: Ersan Ilyasovas time is over and there is still no adequate substitution. The solution will be Sengün in this position. Sengün can be paired with any of our centers Sanli or Yurtseven thanks to the shooting abilities of both Sanli and Yurt. Especially of Yurt I expect great development compared to Canada.
The front court is surely the strongest part in the Turkish NT we have shooting, decent defense, pick and roll action and offensive power except good rim protection. Here comes Adem Bona in the game. I would add him to the roster. He would bring many many options on the defense like elite transition defense, rim protection, can stay in front of any guard. Even if his only use in offense would be a lob target Sengün would know how to use him. I dont really know if he gets invited but you cant get a much better big rotation in the future. Sadik Emir Kabaca a 208 nimble power forward is the other option, an mistake and turn over prone but still a very interesting skill set is a blackbox of this team, despite having some weaknesses his defense is very solid. I am sure he will be part of the team.
to be continued...
The play making problem:
Undoubtedly, the biggest weakness of Turkish BB. Last time a Larkin was injured and couldnt be a part of the NT in Canada and nevertheless we were able to get two wins in the group stage against the successor Czech Republic thanks to the play making abilities of Osman and Korkmaz but the lack was shown against a weak Greek Roster. Even though Larkin doesnt have to make plays all the time thanks to Micic he is able to organize a fully team premised he is ready. There are some options but it will be Tuncer of Efes who will be chosen. The problems with Tuncer are his ups and downs in games, his lack of defending anyone and unnecessary TO. Risky as hell as your second PG but as your third guy he is ok and very suitable to our strength of rolling and popping bigs. Mert Akay who should have been available in September can be seen as the second guy. Its really unknown how prepared he will be for the upcomming Eurobasket 22 but he certainly gives good defense with his size and as pick and roll initiator. The weakness could turn to a strength after all. He is very young and we dont know how hell react to do or die games but when he can give good 10-15 minutes its enough for now.
Many options in the second guard position:
Even though I am not a fan of him Melih Mahmutoglu will be part of the team. To be shorten the discussion, he is a liability defensively but on a good day he can give you shooting. Pairing him with Larkin is a pain in the butt, thats why the existence of Mert Akay is so important. There are actually many options who bring talent and defense. With Sehmus Hazer there is defense and elite penetration skills. Needs to work on his ball handling skills at first. Onuralp Bitim and old Banvit guy Erkan Yilmaz could be options as well. Both can defend and give very good overall skill set.
Useful but unreliable Forwards
Despite his good seasons the role Cedi Osman is filling out cant be carried by him. He is not a scorer but is still a very valuable role player in Europe. Cedi with Larkin and Sengün can concentrate on the defense and can fulfill his role as the defensive anchor. Korkmaz on the other hand has also ups and downs and cant be trusted to carry a team through a tournament. Kormaz and Osman were the biggest problems in previous tournaments but as a bench piece he gives the bench a certain debt and always contributed in Europe.
The Power Forward problem: Ersan Ilyasovas time is over and there is still no adequate substitution. The solution will be Sengün in this position. Sengün can be paired with any of our centers Sanli or Yurtseven thanks to the shooting abilities of both Sanli and Yurt. Especially of Yurt I expect great development compared to Canada.
The front court is surely the strongest part in the Turkish NT we have shooting, decent defense, pick and roll action and offensive power except good rim protection. Here comes Adem Bona in the game. I would add him to the roster. He would bring many many options on the defense like elite transition defense, rim protection, can stay in front of any guard. Even if his only use in offense would be a lob target Sengün would know how to use him. I dont really know if he gets invited but you cant get a much better big rotation in the future. Sadik Emir Kabaca a 208 nimble power forward is the other option, an mistake and turn over prone but still a very interesting skill set is a blackbox of this team, despite having some weaknesses his defense is very solid. I am sure he will be part of the team.
to be continued...
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Toruko2
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The good part of this team is the ability to pair many bigs according to the needs. When you need to stop a strong center like JV for example Sengün and Sanli are not very promising but Ömer Yurtseven is a body that can clash a JV. You can even pair Sanli and Yurt and let them change position in offense and defense and play 4 out in offense to lure out bigs from the paint. All 3 bigs are great bigs with great rolling routine. Especially Sengün is the guy who can operate in many many ways. He is one of the best screen setter, his rolling timing is really good and he also knows how to stay in the correct angle to be available for the pass. We also have great short role passers with Sengün and Sanli and a very solid offensive big man with a deadly mid range shot with Yurtseven. The only lack is the rim protection and we have one of the best guys who can fulfill that duty.
What can this team play in the future?
The main weapon will be Sengün operating in the low post. His ability to be used as the main offensive hub and creating shots for himself in the low post is gold. In order to be effective he will need space and the good thing is we have the shooter. Especially Larkins shot creation ability will be very valuable here. If Ene puts four guys like Larkin, Korkmaz, Osman and Sanli on the court this team will be unguardable. The mix also gives enough space for rim runners like Korkmaz, Osman or Larkin. The defense will be a problem though.
The new options with Akay and Bona will give a new defensive upside. The main problem of the previous Turkish teams was to be very short on 1-2 positions. No matter which pair do you use Tuncer/Mahmutoglu, Tuncer/Özdemiroglu or even Larkin/Mahmutoglu, Larkin/Tuncer, Tuncer, Korkmaz etc. gives horrible defense and average play making in the offense. In addition to that you dont have here a single guy who can secure the ball and bring it to the other court. Thats also the reason why Akay is so much needed. He has the height, the defense and the pick and roll initiation ability which is seriously needed. Doesnt matter if he makes mistakes or not. Akay with his 6'6 height and 6'9 wingspan can easily guard 1-2 and sometimes even small forwards.
A lineup with Akay, Larkin, Osman, Sengün and Bona gives you many options on the defensive end but it doesnt matter which lineup do you use it still will have some weaknesses
What can this team play in the future?
The main weapon will be Sengün operating in the low post. His ability to be used as the main offensive hub and creating shots for himself in the low post is gold. In order to be effective he will need space and the good thing is we have the shooter. Especially Larkins shot creation ability will be very valuable here. If Ene puts four guys like Larkin, Korkmaz, Osman and Sanli on the court this team will be unguardable. The mix also gives enough space for rim runners like Korkmaz, Osman or Larkin. The defense will be a problem though.
The new options with Akay and Bona will give a new defensive upside. The main problem of the previous Turkish teams was to be very short on 1-2 positions. No matter which pair do you use Tuncer/Mahmutoglu, Tuncer/Özdemiroglu or even Larkin/Mahmutoglu, Larkin/Tuncer, Tuncer, Korkmaz etc. gives horrible defense and average play making in the offense. In addition to that you dont have here a single guy who can secure the ball and bring it to the other court. Thats also the reason why Akay is so much needed. He has the height, the defense and the pick and roll initiation ability which is seriously needed. Doesnt matter if he makes mistakes or not. Akay with his 6'6 height and 6'9 wingspan can easily guard 1-2 and sometimes even small forwards.
A lineup with Akay, Larkin, Osman, Sengün and Bona gives you many options on the defensive end but it doesnt matter which lineup do you use it still will have some weaknesses
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Toruko2
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This is the large NT roster for the upcoming FIBA window (2 games against Greece). First of all, i dont think that Sanli will be able to participate but they will give it a try. As demanded from my side Kenan Sipahi was invited and also Okben Ulubay for the first time. Kenan Sipahi is a Euroleague level defender but has limited court vision. He is very important because Greeks try to compensate their lack of quality with playing hard.
I am ok with this roster. All the guys who should be invited are being invited. Especially Onuralp Bitim, Kenan Sipahi and Okben Ulubay should take a critical role. FB will let the Federation choose either Mahmutoglu or Sehmus Hazer.
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okanial2
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This is the large NT roster for the upcoming FIBA window (2 games against Greece). First of all, i dont think that Sanli will be able to participate but they will give it a try. As demanded from my side Kenan Sipahi was invited and also Okben Ulubay for the first time. Kenan Sipahi is a Euroleague level defender but has limited court vision. He is very important because Greeks try to compensate their lack of quality with playing hard.
I am ok with this roster. All the guys who should be invited are being invited. Especially Onuralp Bitim, Kenan Sipahi and Okben Ulubay should take a critical role. FB will let the Federation choose either Mahmutoglu or Sehmus Hazer.
Sadly for this team I'd take Melih over Sehmus.
I don't understand why we need 1 definite ball handler. Instead of Bugrahan being in the roster during a tournament, I'd have Larkin, Korkmaz, Osman, Bitim, Hazer, Sengun all sharing the playmaking duty instead. I'd much prefer Sipahi as a back up PG to Larkin due to his defense. We should have 2 of the 6 I mentioned above on the field at worst all the time so I don't think playmaking will be any issue.
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Toruko2
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With enough prep time could be possible but not optimal. We have been given the ball Cedi Osman since 2017 and he cant create as a prime ball handler. If he gets the ball when the defense is unbalanced another story but it doesnt work. Furkan Korkmaz is someone who can create for himself and when you need a secondary guy who needs to make plays he is ok but this season we have seen that he cant handle the pressure. You need two guys who can secure the ball and make plays. We have the secondary guy, no problem but a primary play maker is needed. Larkin can surely take this role so there is no big need but on the long term we must bring up someone from our youth.
The problem is the pressure that you have on the floor. Every pressure forces our team to waste time that is needed to make plays. If you let us play we are good for instance the Czech game or even Uruguay but pressure kills us. We dont nobody who can shoot (would be better obviously) we need someone who can secure the ball, brings it fast and starts the game with 15 seconds left at least. Accurate passing is here indispensable
We also have someone who can make plays from the low post but you cant handle the entire game from there.
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Toruko2
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Ömer Onan is really pissed. According to him Sertac Sanli was willing to play on Monday but Euroleague has put a game of Barca on Monday lol. I think a team with Sanli and Calathes i would prefer them both out. We can somehow compensate bigs but Greeks cant compensate Calathes.
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Toruko2
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For the first time I am really satisfied with this roster. We have very solid guard and wing defenders who made also big jumps this season in terms of taking responsibility in their teams. FB will play on Monday a playoff game. The question is now if FB is ready to send one of Sehmus Hazer or Melih Mahmutoglu. (the last one can stay at home if you ask me
) but even without them its a very suitable team for a Greek team.I am really happy about Okben Ulubay because he is a solid glue guy who connects defense and offense. His pick and roll initiation role is important for a fluent offense. We must stay in the game until the end without overusing Shane Larkin. Onuralp Bitim will probably take over the scoring from the bench. I would bring Tuncer and Ulubay also from the bench for utilizing the bigs from the bench because Greeks are weak in its big rotation considering Papagiannis will play.
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Toruko2
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Like I said before Djordjevic kept Hazer for Euroleague and sent Metecan Birsen and Melih Mahmutoglu to the NT. I would do the same if I was him
Larkin will play on Friday too.
Larkin will play on Friday too.