SEA GAMES in Vietnam

[bsgermany2]

Just to be clear sir.

You consider homegrown Fil-Ams to be local talents. (Lebron Lopez or Rayray Parks)

While you consider Fil-Ams who were born and grew up in America as dual citizen/foreigner????(Clarkson, Green)

No I dont, but the problem already starts with availability due to school etc while they are young, and later due to their engagement at foreign pro teams once they may be good enough. Whats the gain when you have players based around the world, when they are mostly never or seldom available? Also what kind of signal and motivation does that give to local talents, if players from abroad will always be prefered? Players available within the country are easy to reach and to form, while players in the USA or Europe aren't.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Well, feel free to believe what you like. Germany is well established in Europe and in world basketball now, and I am quite sure that even the Philippines could learn a fiew things from our development programs.

@bsgermany

I read in this wiki that germany citizenship law is a combination of jus soli and jus sangguinis.

"Children born within Germany automatically receive German national at birth if at least one married parent is a German national"

"Individuals born overseas to at least one married German parent are also German nationals, unless that parent was born after 31 December 1999"

"Children born in the country to two foreign parents since 1 January 2000 automatically receive citizenship at birth if at least one parent has habitually resided in Germany for at least eight years and possesses indefinite permission to remain. "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Found it interesting. So Germany have Jus Sanguinnis (By blood) citizenship law.

But children born in Germany with Foreign Parents can be automatically given a German Citizenship provided one of the parents lived in Germany for 8 years, and willing to stay there.

In Philippines, we are strictly basing on blood

 

[bsgermany2]

@bsgermany

I read in this wiki that germany citizenship law is a combination of jus soli and jus sangguinis.

"Children born within Germany automatically receive German national at birth if at least one married parent is a German national"

"Individuals born overseas to at least one married German parent are also German nationals, unless that parent was born after 31 December 1999"

"Children born in the country to two foreign parents since 1 January 2000 automatically receive citizenship at birth if at least one parent has habitually resided in Germany for at least eight years and possesses indefinite permission to remain. "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Found it interesting. So Germany have Jus Sanguinnis (By blood) citizenship law.

But children born in Germany with Foreign Parents can be automatically given a German Citizenship provided one of the parents lived in Germany for 8 years, and willing to stay there.

In Philippines, we are strictly basing on blood

There you may be more updated than me to be honest, but with my daughter, she automatically received the germany citizenship since she was born here and her mother being married to me, which seems to be a very comon procedure in countries over here.

 

[IPC2]

No I dont, but the problem already starts with availability due to school etc while they are young, and later due to their engagement at foreign pro teams once they may be good enough. Whats the gain when you have players based around the world, when they are mostly never or seldom available? Also what kind of signal and motivation does that give to local talents, if players from abroad will always be prefered? Players available within the country are easy to reach and to form, while players in the USA or Europe aren't.

Unfortunately for us, the players in the foreign leagues are more available than the players in the PBA, except for special cases, like when players are designated for national team duty. Even college kids are more available due to the schedule.

 

[IPC2]

@bsgermany

I read in this wiki that germany citizenship law is a combination of jus soli and jus sangguinis.

"Children born within Germany automatically receive German national at birth if at least one married parent is a German national"

"Individuals born overseas to at least one married German parent are also German nationals, unless that parent was born after 31 December 1999"

"Children born in the country to two foreign parents since 1 January 2000 automatically receive citizenship at birth if at least one parent has habitually resided in Germany for at least eight years and possesses indefinite permission to remain. "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Found it interesting. So Germany have Jus Sanguinnis (By blood) citizenship law.

But children born in Germany with Foreign Parents can be automatically given a German Citizenship provided one of the parents lived in Germany for 8 years, and willing to stay there.

In Philippines, we are strictly basing on blood

Technically, jus sanguinis is citizenship of the parent/s, not strictly by blood, as applied here in the Philippines.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Technically, jus sanguinis is citizenship of the parent/s, not strictly by blood, as applied here in the Philippines.

Hmmm. Oh yeah.

We based it in Parents Citizenship wherever the children is born.

But I dont think u can have Filipino Citizenship (except thru naturalization) without a Filipino blood. Hehe.

I forgot the answer to this. But Blatche and Douthit sons can be given Filipino citizenship right? Even if Dray and Marcus wife is not Filipina?

You are the law student here. Haha

 

[IPC2]

Hmmm. Oh yeah.

We based it in Parents Citizenship wherever the children is born.

But I dont think u can have Filipino Citizenship (except thru naturalization) without a Filipino blood. Hehe.

I forgot the answer to this. But Blatche and Douthit sons can be given Filipino citizenship right? Even if Dray and Marcus wife is not Filipina?

You are the law student here. Haha

Yes, the kids of Dray and Douthit will be natural-born Filipino citizens. As long as one parent is a Filipino citizen, the kids will be natural-born Filipino citizens.

 

[DAdmiral2]

No I dont, but the problem already starts with availability due to school etc while they are young, and later due to their engagement at foreign pro teams once they may be good enough. Whats the gain when you have players based around the world, when they are mostly never or seldom available? Also what kind of signal and motivation does that give to local talents, if players from abroad will always be prefered? Players available within the country are easy to reach and to form, while players in the USA or Europe aren't.

There actually is point and benefit to this approach. A natuonal development program to be sustainable has to have a local based so called "academy". Essentially by default Ateneo is defacto national academy based locally. It really is unsustainable to rely simply on players based abroad , eventually you need a core from overseas like Dwight , Ballungay, Philipps be drawn to a world class academy based in the Philippines..
It's really not sustainable to just expect a Remy , Clarkson etc be based abroad forever and then automatically hugot them to come together and represent Gilas , it really does not work that way.
Those players aren't invested by their actions with the federation.
This is very different from AJ, Heading Dalph who at least invested with the youth program regardless if they are based overseas

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Yes, the kids of Dray and Douthit will be natural-born Filipino citizens. As long as one parent is a Filipino citizen, the kids will be natural-born Filipino citizens.

Yes. And in terms of Fiba.

Their sons will be auto eligible for Gilas if they are born here.

If they are born outside of the country with a Non Filipina Mother. They will be treated as dual citizen by Fiba which will require them to get a passport before 16 years old.

If my understanding is correct. Hehe

 

[DAdmiral2]

Yes, the kids of Dray and Douthit will be natural-born Filipino citizens. As long as one parent is a Filipino citizen, the kids will be natural-born Filipino citizens.

And this actually very common in counties that grant citizenship as part of the normal.process of naturalization . Litterarally half of NZ has acquired citizenship this way including my children.
Note the children don't even have to be born in the country or even get their passport before 16, as long as they lived many years in the country as minors. (It's one reason the 4 Thai Americans can be eligible)

 

[DAdmiral2]

Yes. And in terms of Fiba.

Their sons will be auto eligible for Gilas if they are born here.

If they are born outside of the country with a Non Filipina Mother. They will be treated as dual citizen by Fiba which will require them to get a passport before 16 years old.

If my understanding is correct. Hehe

No that's not necessary correct. That is why Qunito Henson does not get it

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

No that's not necessary correct. That is why Qunito Henson does not get it

Then, what is the "correct"?

 

[ja.he2]

No that's not necessary correct. That is why Qunito Henson does not get it

so we can recruit 10-12 year old kids from other countries and continuously reside here until they reach the age of 21 years old? once naturalized at 22 or older, can we use them in Gilas as locals?

i am talking about foreign-born kids that established residency here.

 

[DAdmiral2]

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No that's the problem Philippine law does not have a pathyway to natiralize minors or a pathyway for resident foreigners to acquire citizenship .

Take example Nz , I am a naturalized Kiwi , I have no kiwi blood but there is pathway for foreign immigrants to acquire citizenship. Alsmot half of NZ population is made up of immigrants.
Now once I become a citizen and my child who for example is born overseas , as a dependent is automatically granted citizenship. Now let's say my son never had a requirement to travel overseas which is very common , so he never had a need to get a passport to travel. So no passport before 16 years old.

In the eyes of FIBA my son is eligible to play as a local New Zealander. Note he has none of the following
1. Born in NZ
2 Nz .passport before 16
3. Original Kiwi blood

But he's eligible, get it ?

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

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No that's the problem Philippine law does not have a pathyway to natiralize minors or a pathyway for resident foreigners to acquire citizenship .

Take example Nz , I am a naturalized Kiwi , I have no kiwi blood but there is pathway for foreign immigrants to acquire citizenship. Alsmot half of NZ population is made up of immigrants.
Now once I become a citizen and my child who for example is born overseas , as a dependent is automatically granted citizenship. Now let's say my son never had a requirement to travel overseas which is very common , so he never had a need to get a passport to travel. So no passport before 16 years old.

In the eyes of FIBA my son is eligible to play as a local New Zealander. Note he has none of the following
1. Born in NZ
2 Nz .passport before 16
3. Original Kiwi blood

But he's eligible, get it ?

It is because you (his parent) is a naturalized NZer.

But your son and Dray/douthit sons case will be different because NZ and Philippines have different laws

 

[ja.he2]

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No that's the problem Philippine law does not have a pathyway to natiralize minors or a pathyway for resident foreigners to acquire citizenship .

Take example Nz , I am a naturalized Kiwi , I have no kiwi blood but there is pathway for foreign immigrants to acquire citizenship. Alsmot half of NZ population is made up of immigrants.
Now once I become a citizen and my child who for example is born overseas , as a dependent is automatically granted citizenship. Now let's say my son never had a requirement to travel overseas which is very common , so he never had a need to get a passport to travel. So no passport before 16 years old.

In the eyes of FIBA my son is eligible to play as a local New Zealander. Note he has none of the following
1. Born in NZ
2 Nz .passport before 16
3. Original Kiwi blood

But he's eligible, get it ?

actually there is. this is called "derivative" citizenship. how is that?

it is conferred to a person whose etiher:

- minor children of a naturalized person
- spouse of a naturalized person
- alien spouse upon marriage to a national

the first one in the enumeration is the hole that SBP should look upon.

there is to be honest. it's just that SBP has little to no creativity in legal aspect which I find ironic since they can easily hire good lawyers to find holes both in our domestic laws as well as the FIBA rules.

if you ask me, the administrative naturalization is the best process to be tweaked by our sports-minded legislators. this process seems to give foreigners of minor age a chance to acquire citizenship at an earlier age (18).

the coverage of this process can be extended, tbh.

 

[DAdmiral2]

It is because you (his parent) is a naturalized NZer.

But your son and Dray/douthit sons case will be different because NZ and Philippines have different laws

Yes me and my son (before 16) became NZ citizens and are residents (over 5 to 10 years as a minor child)

You realize there is a SEA country not named Philippines that if I decided I could be eligible to play for them. I'm not born their or have a passport Obviously it follows I lived their fo like 5 to 10 years .. I'm not born in that country. But puede .


Now here is the other thing, this does not require special lawyers or naturalization by passing a law LOL.. but is common process for almost 50 % of the total population!

 

[ja.he2]

It is because you (his parent) is a naturalized NZer.

But your son and Dray/douthit sons case will be different because NZ and Philippines have different laws

actually, i beg to differ. minor children of Andray Blatche and Marcus Douthit acquired Filipino citizenship by virtue of derivative citizenship. when Dray and Kuya Marcus became Filipinos, their children with their American wives also became Filipinos during their minority, provided that they reside permanently here.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

actually, i beg to differ. minor children of Andray Blatche and Marcus Douthit acquired Filipino citizenship by virtue of derivative citizenship. when Dray and Kuya Marcus became Filipinos, their children with their American wives also became Filipinos during their minority, provided that they reside permanently here.

Oh now. The residence will also be a factor.

Haha. It is confusing.

But I think and hope Their sons will really be eligible when they decide to ay basketball. Hehe

 

[bsgermany2]

There actually is point and benefit to this approach. A natuonal development program to be sustainable has to have a local based so called "academy". Essentially by default Ateneo is defacto national academy based locally. It really is unsustainable to rely simply on players based abroad , eventually you need a core from overseas like Dwight , Ballungay, Philipps be drawn to a world class academy based in the Philippines..
It's really not sustainable to just expect a Remy , Clarkson etc be based abroad forever and then automatically hugot them to come together and represent Gilas , it really does not work that way.
Those players aren't invested by their actions with the federation.
This is very different from AJ, Heading Dalph who at least invested with the youth program regardless if they are based overseas

I couldn't agree more. A solid youth program, investing in local talent scouting and developing, good coaches to learn from and as long as the money lasts, sending youth teams to the US or better Europe to compete there and gain experience.