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SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. XIII)

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The haters and the critics are making a big fuss with Gilas' 4th place finish in Champions Cup. For them, it's a lost cause. They've given up hope and abandoned our national team. What a shame! Where are their sense of patriotism? :mad::(

Oh well we cannot please everybody.
 
The Gilas Pilipinas program has one goal: select young basketball players and develop their skills so that the Philippines could qualify for the London 2012 Olympics.

Develop? No.

London 2012? No.


Well London 2012 not yet, both possible and impossible, Develop well some.

But to be honest Toro is not that good a motivator. But weather if the program totally failed or not had a lot of factors and reasons, politics, etc...Way playing in our colleges, the overall structure of the program, so if Development pala is one of the goals di dapat we formatted the current college system to develop international players
 
criticisms ends now.

whether we like it or not, toroman will coach the team in september.

lets just support the team.
 
It is a given that we WILL LIVE AND DIE with outside shooting. We re a short race. We do have some bigs BUT they are not available for the NT. Thanks to the tactical approach by Toroman, these kids are at par with Asian powerhouses. Can any Pinoy coach mold a team with this kind of material? You won't win all games. 4th aint a bad thing, its the highest we've placed in 15 years. The respect that these guys earned is commendable. They are still TEAM PILIPINAS. We should be proud of our gutsy national team.

Correction sir.. they are SMART gilas team pilipinas... :eek:
and yes, Toro's concept of beating the giants is outside shooting and speed. Unfortunately, Phils' speed is another myth nowadays. Gone were the days that we will leave the biggies miles behind eating dust. Plyometrics awesomely works...
Evident in Gilas playbook that outside shooting is their bread and butter. That's the Euroball... NBA even adjusted to it when Euroball started stomping Team USA.
Toro's supposedly hired to correct such misgivings of Phil ball fundamentals. However, after all these years, SG shows they haven't developed such consistency of shooting. However, he can only do so much. It's still up to the player to develop his own game. Toro must be frustrated when he realize how distracted our athletes here in the Phils are... :D :D :D


theImbaguy said:
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"Players win games. Coaches don't."

I wonder when there's an era in basketball where no coach is used; where there are only players... :D :D :D .. IMHO, the Coach is the 80% in the Pareto principle for bball.
 
toroman doesnt care about your comments as long as he is receiving $$$$$$... the SBP developmental program failed and thats it... if SBP wishes to have a good finish in wuhan and away from humiliation then they should tap some pba players now... and they should negotiate to SMC... SMC+PLDT = MEDAL!
 
Toro's supposedly hired to correct such misgivings of Phil ball fundamentals. However, after all these years, SG shows they haven't developed such consistency of shooting. However, he can only do so much. It's still up to the player to develop his own game.

How come Gilas placed in the top four of all their tournaments if they failed to convert outside shots? With that lineup, what do you expect him to do? Post up Japeth? Baracael?

International teams defends de numero also. They will rotate on every movement that's why this system of ours works against them but not on the PBA teams. This system has been the best we've had since the 2002 team of Busan. Even if we have the bigs we still need them to shoot from the outside. Its not the PBA where the pasabit thing works, and we also dont have enough bigs to outmuscle Asian giants. Outside shooting and early offense is our chance. It is a given that every Pinoy team lives and die with the outside shot. We cannot outmuscle these teams.
 
A lot of guys are over reacting right now. As what I have said the Realistic goal this coming Fiba Asia qualifiers is to finish in the top 3. We are improving but it takes time to be a Title contender in Asia.
 
Through the years, the Philippines have been struck with heart breaks after heart break... It wouldn't surprise me if someone here or one day call Manila as the "heart break city." This is due to the string of heart break losses (mostly in the semi-finals) in most of the international tournaments in basketball. I noticed the practice of the Philippines when it comes to its senior mens team program since FIBA and most federations of the IOC made their competitions open to professionals after the 1988 Olympics. The common approach I saw is that whoever is coaching or managing the team, the entire composition is also expected to change. In other words, going back to square one. This is what is wrong with our program. A practice should be frowned upon not only in international basketball, but also in other team sports like football.

This is actually my fear. If the Philippines fails to nail a spot in the Olympics, the team will be disbanded, hire a new coach, form a new set of players, conduct another round of tryouts, and appeal to the PBA and collegiate leagues to lend their players and keep them for X amount of years.

The best approach is always keeping the players in the national pool together even though they're playing with their respective professional clubs. Even if SBP decides to extend coach Toroman or search for a new coach, the players in that pool should remain. The SBP should also be firm in this.

Let me site some examples:

Look at Iran. Over the last five years, their national team had undergone three coaching changes. Coach Frederick Oniga, now with ASU Jordan, led Iran to a bronze medal finish in the 2006 Asian Games. Coach Rajko Toroman replaced Oniga the year after and led Iran to the gold medal in FIBA-Asia Championships in 2007. Then coach Veselin Matic led destroyed China in their home court to clinch the gold medal in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Championships. Three coaches, three results, one common theme: "they have the same group of players." Since 2006, the Iranians have kept Hamed Haddadi, Samad Bahrami, Mehdi Kamrani, Javad Davari, and other players in their pool.

This is also the same practice by the Lebanese, Koreans, Japanese, Jordanians, and Chinese.

Our trend since 1990 is different coach, different players, PBA forcing to shuffle its schedule, arguing about lending players to the national team, keep this team for only a year, then after the tournament -- disband the team! Same movie every time which resulted in EPIC FAILURE.

I am pretty sure the argument would rise, "these players have to be playing together consistently to be cohesive." My reply is "not necessarily." Our current team have been together for over three years now, and I believe that even though they may end up playing in different teams after the FIBA-Asia Championships in China in September, these players can easily pick up where they left off due to familiarity. I think they would need about a month of preparation to be ready. Thus, the need for the PBA or college leagues to lend its players during the middle of their season is likely not going to happen.

In conclusion, keeping the pool of players intact is obviously the best practice even if the SBP should hire a new coach or not. Their familiarity in playing together for years would not require for them to leave their mother clubs for more than 3 months to prepare for a tournament that is 2 weeks long. This will surely lessen the stress within the pro and collegiate leagues in discussing whether to lend its players or not that's because having a pool of players, someone's gotta be available. The only thing I am asking is KEEP THIS POOL OF PLAYERS TOGETHER!

;)
 
A lot of guys are over reacting right now. As what I have said the Realistic goal this coming Fiba Asia qualifiers is to finish in the top 3. We are improving but it takes time to be a Title contender in Asia.

I agree! A more realistic for Team Pilipinas is making it in the World Championships in 2014. Even though we want our team to make it in the Olympics, that seems to be asking too much for our young team.

Like you said, we're improving, and I believe that our performance in the last two years should keep us in the argument for a medal finish in the international competitions.

;)
 
Yes, we just have to continue this program. Too much emphasis on this year's qualifiers as if the world will end 2012. We cannot do it overnight. It takes years, even decades for NT programs to be successful. UNITY and CONTINUITY.
 
The haters and the critics are making a big fuss with Gilas' 4th place finish in Champions Cup. For them, it's a lost cause. They've given up hope and abandoned our national team. What a shame! Where are their sense of patriotism? :mad::(

blind patriotism, sir?
everybody witnessed how Pinoys rallied behind SG in the tournament! still not satisfied, huh? Well, the majority fans are also not satisfied with how the SG fared.
Before the tournament started, I posted that SG should top this. I believe that's their goal. If it wasn't, why the hell SBP went so much trouble hosting the event...

hating the haters, eh? :confused:
 
for now my current standings for national team in Asia:

1. Iran
2. China
3. Lebanon
4. Korea
5. Japan
6. Qatar
7. Philippines
 
Through the years, the Philippines have been struck with heart breaks after heart break... It wouldn't surprise me if someone here or one day call Manila as the "heart break city." This is due to the string of heart break losses (mostly in the semi-finals) in most of the international tournaments in basketball. I noticed the practice of the Philippines when it comes to its senior mens team program since FIBA and most federations of the IOC made their competitions open to professionals after the 1988 Olympics. The common approach I saw is that whoever is coaching or managing the team, the entire composition is also expected to change. In other words, going back to square one. This is what is wrong with our program. A practice should be frowned upon not only in international basketball, but also in other team sports like football.

This is actually my fear. If the Philippines fails to nail a spot in the Olympics, the team will be disbanded, hire a new coach, form a new set of players, conduct another round of tryouts, and appeal to the PBA and collegiate leagues to lend their players and keep them for X amount of years.

The best approach is always keeping the players in the national pool together even though they're playing with their respective professional clubs. Even if SBP decides to extend coach Toroman or search for a new coach, the players in that pool should remain. The SBP should also be firm in this.

Let me site some examples:

Look at Iran. Over the last five years, their national team had undergone three coaching changes. Coach Frederick Oniga, now with ASU Jordan, led Iran to a bronze medal finish in the 2006 Asian Games. Coach Rajko Toroman replaced Oniga the year after and led Iran to the gold medal in FIBA-Asia Championships in 2007. Then coach Veselin Matic led destroyed China in their home court to clinch the gold medal in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Championships. Three coaches, three results, one common theme: "they have the same group of players." Since 2006, the Iranians have kept Hamed Haddadi, Samad Bahrami, Mehdi Kamrani, Javad Davari, and other players in their pool.

This is also the same practice by the Lebanese, Koreans, Japanese, Jordanians, and Chinese.

Our trend since 1990 is different coach, different players, PBA forcing to shuffle its schedule, arguing about lending players to the national team, keep this team for only a year, then after the tournament -- disband the team! Same movie every time which resulted in EPIC FAILURE.

I am pretty sure the argument would rise, "these players have to be playing together consistently to be cohesive." My reply is "not necessarily." Our current team have been together for over three years now, and I believe that even though they may end up playing in different teams after the FIBA-Asia Championships in China in September, these players can easily pick up where they left off due to familiarity. I think they would need about a month of preparation to be ready. Thus, the need for the PBA or college leagues to lend its players during the middle of their season is likely not going to happen.

In conclusion, keeping the pool of players intact is obviously the best practice even if the SBP should hire a new coach or not. Their familiarity in playing together for years would not require for them to leave their mother clubs for more than 3 months to prepare for a tournament that is 2 weeks long. This will surely lessen the stress within the pro and collegiate leagues in discussing whether to lend its players or not that's because having a pool of players, someone's gotta be available. The only thing I am asking is KEEP THIS POOL OF PLAYERS TOGETHER!

;)

Agree, continuity of the program is very very important.
 
This tournament proved that Toroman is the reason why the Gilas Pilipinas program failed.

He gave in to all the changes that the sponsor dictated, including, but not limited to, allowing PBA players to become part of the program at the last minute. PBA players playing headless chickens because they are not familiar with Toroman's system.

Disgust and confusion reigns within the team. More than half of the team unused.

The team you all just saw play are heroes. They played for the country, in spite of all these.

namamangha
BALIMBING!!!
Shame on YOU!!!:)
 
We can't be too hard on this team because there are a lot of positive things that still happened. The adjustments I really think are being made by Toroman and it's going to take some time before those things can help the team.
 
blind patriotism, sir?
everybody witnessed how Pinoys rallied behind SG in the tournament! still not satisfied, huh? Well, the majority fans are also not satisfied with how the SG fared.
Before the tournament started, I posted that SG should top this. I believe that's their goal. If it wasn't, why the hell SBP went so much trouble hosting the event...

hating the haters, eh? :confused:

they even practices at Ultra where the actual game held... so they really want to finish strong in this tournament and a top 4 finish is not that ok... smart gilas aims to be in the top 3... but because they are just a bunch of kids they showed immaturity in that game... they just did what the high school clubs do keep on shooting 3's and dont care about the percentages...
 
for now my current standings for national team in Asia:

1. Iran
2. China
3. Lebanon
4. Korea
5. Japan
6. Qatar
7. Philippines

1. iran or china
2. iran or china
3. lebanon
4. qatar or sokor
5. qatar or sokor or philippines or japan
6. japan or philippines
7. japan or philippines
 
namamangha
BALIMBING!!!
Shame on YOU!!!:)

Ha ha ha!

I was there from day one, pare.
I was there when we coined the word "Gilas"
I was there when we convinced Toroman to run the program.
I was the one who created the Gilas logo.
I was there each and every day Rajko will choose and sign-up players.
I was there each and every day -- from day one.
I was there. No pay. I was there.

I was there kanina when they lost to Qatar.

Balimbing? No.

Shame on me? Probably.
 
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