SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. XIII)

[manu_bol2]

that's why we need pba resbaks to familiarize with gilas for a few months before fiba asia. it's the "little tweaking" which toroman's been wanting for a long time.

but that structure and familiarity will be shaky with the addition of new pba players.

it should have been all pba players + naturalized center from the start

 

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo2]

simply, gilas small ball is better than gilas tall ball. toroman has no choice as a douthit-ramos/baracael frontline is superior than douthit-slaughter

well, douthit and slaughter both play at the center spot so although i would like to see a taller-ball, i don't see douthit and slaughter playing together effective. what i would like to see toroman to explore is the like of douthit-williams-ramos combination (though williams is not yet in the team) in lieu of baracael as the next tallest player after douthit. mac can slide to small forward. or if japeth improves his overall game come fiba-asia qualifier, maybe a douthit-williams-japeth-baracael-reyes five will make a difference.

 

[alien space bats2]

but that structure and familiarity will be shaky with the addition of new pba players.

it should have been all pba players + naturalized center from the start

we had that chance in 2009 if only the basketball powers opted to embark on a naturalization program right after the 2007 fiba disastrous pba campaign.well, opportunity is a bird that never perches. we blew it. so let's stop daydreaming and just focus on smart gilas now.

 

[lovejones2]

well, douthit and slaughter both play at the center spot so although i would like to see a taller-ball, i don't see douthit and slaughter playing together effective. what i would to see toroman to explore is the like of douthit-williams-ramos combination (though williams is not yet in the team) in lieu of baracael as the next tallest player after douthit. mac can slide to small forward. or if japeth improves his overall game come fiba-asia qualifier, maybe a douthit-williams-japeth-baracael-reyes five will make a difference.

Is the idea of Japeth as the starting power forward that hopeless? Has the coaching staff really given up on that idea?

 

[manu_bol2]

well, douthit and slaughter both play at the center spot so although i would like to see a taller-ball, i don't see douthit and slaughter playing together effective. what i would to see toroman to explore is the like of douthit-williams-ramos combination (though williams is not yet in the team) in lieu of baracael as the next tallest player after douthit. mac can slide to small forward. or if japeth improves his overall come fiba-asia qualifier, maybe a douthit-williams-japeth-baracael-reyes five will make a difference.

douthit-williams is still small ball.

douhit/slaughter-taulava/japeth is the international standard for frontline height.

again, i don't see how much more effective that second combination will be compared to a douthit-williams frontline.

 

[alien space bats2]

douthit-williams is still small ball.

douhit/slaughter-taulava/japeth is the international standard for frontline height.

again, i don't see how much more effective that second combination will be compared to a douthit-williams frontline.

if douthit-williams is small ball, then we should start officially calling douthit-baracael as midget ball.

 

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo2]

we had that chance in 2009 if only the basketball powers opted to embark on a naturalization program right after the 2007 fiba disastrous pba campaign.well, opportunity is a bird that never perches. we blew it. so let's stop daydreaming and just focus on smart gilas now.

with the recent developments in philippine basketball, i.e. more committed support of the pba (allowing gilas to play in the 2nd conference, expressing willingness to lend more pro players to gilas, etc), and the recent resignation of eala who was perceived by others as "contravida" within the sbp ranks, i am looking forward for a more united stand for the future NTs of the country. a "naturalized player + 2-3 best amateur players of gilas + all pro players" team with a briliant coach (could be foreigner or local) is not farfetched. i am crossing my fingers.

 

[manu_bol2]

if douthit-williams is small ball, then we should start officially calling douthit-baracael as midget ball.

then midget ball it is.

 

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo2]

douthit-williams is still small ball.

douhit/slaughter-taulava/japeth is the international standard for frontline height.

again, i don't see how much more effective that second combination will be compared to a douthit-williams frontline.

i see your point, mate. but douthit, taulava, & slaughter are all centers. i can't see the point of making two centers play at the same time. or maybe not. would you guys happen to know douthit's position during his NBA days? a 6'10" (with the exception of ben wallace, etc.) NBA player usually plays power forward. then maybe they can explore the possibility of douthit playing at PF and taulava or slaughter at C. williams will take the SF and if possible baracael at SG. this line-up still might not qualify for the tallball international standards but at least this is a taller-ball than the present toro's smallball.

 

[jesronne2]

i see your point, mate. but douthit, taulava, & slaughter are all centers. i can't see the point of making two centers play at the same time. or maybe not. would you guys happen to know douthit's position during his NBA days? a 6'10" (with the exception of ben wallace, etc.) NBA player usually plays power forward. then maybe they can explore the possibility of douthit playing at PF and taulava or slaughter at C. williams will take the SF and if possible baracael at SG. this line-up still might not qualify for the tallball international standards but at least this is a taller-ball than the present toro's smallball.

then the opposing team will just trap and force a lot of turnovers since williams and baracael are not good ball handlers... i suggest lassiter instead of baracael at 2 spot...

 

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo2]

then the opposing team will just trap and force a lot of turnovers since williams and baracael are not good ball handlers... i suggest lassiter instead of baracael at 2 spot...

noted, mate. agree. baracael, lassiter (and if possible, james yap) may share the SG position. a good ballhandler and consistent ballfeeder like casio will make the "slaughter/taulava-douthit-williams-lassiter/baracael" team more potent offensively and defensively.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

I'm more worried on our front-line's other important job: rebounding. Is our front-line good enough to handle the boards?

In the Asian Games, we had huge problems boxing out Ashgar Kardoust of Iran. This guy is like the back-up for Haddadi.

 

[jamalsampson2]

most of us here do not subscribe to the smallball strategy of toroman. i'm just wondering, are ALL sbp people support this smallball? can frankie lim or whoever from the coaching staff suggest to toroman to explore the tallball strategy for gilas, instead?

unfortunately in normal basketball management practice, if you get a coach, you support him of whatever system and decision he makes otherwise you fire him .... that's the way it is.

Just look at the Detroit Pistons. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/621184-detroit-pistons-mutiny-video-watch-as-the-players-laugh-at-ejected-coach Joe Dumars, NBA Executive of the Year Awardee would rather suspend and sit-out 7 players rather than fire an incompetent coach.

It looks dumb but that is the practice.

 

[jamalsampson2]

simply, gilas small ball is better than gilas tall ball. toroman has no choice as a douthit-ramos/baracael frontline is superior than douthit-slaughter

at the moment that is indeed true as a douthit-ramos/baracael does give positive results on a good day as a douthit-slaughter combination does not give Toroman that same comfort level yet.

Blame it on the number of tournaments and games Slaughter missed in order to catch-up with his studies at the Ateneo. After a good tournament for Greg, it was not followed-up and the momentum was stopped as he was absent.

 

[nardy2]

i see your point, mate. but douthit, taulava, & slaughter are all centers. i can't see the point of making two centers play at the same time. or maybe not. would you guys happen to know douthit's position during his NBA days? a 6'10" (with the exception of ben wallace, etc.) NBA player usually plays power forward. then maybe they can explore the possibility of douthit playing at PF and taulava or slaughter at C. williams will take the SF and if possible baracael at SG. this line-up still might not qualify for the tallball international standards but at least this is a taller-ball than the present toro's smallball.

If the PBA only allowed the players to be loaned to be released exclusively in order for them to practice and play with the team as early as this 2nd Conference, exploring these tall-ball combinations could be done as there is enough time for experimentations before the actual International Competitions.

 

[nardy2]

I'm more worried on our front-line's other important job: rebounding. Is our front-line good enough to handle the boards?

In the Asian Games, we had huge problems boxing out Ashgar Kardoust of Iran. This guy is like the back-up for Haddadi.

As said by Mario Palma, our National Team does not have a consistent offensive threat inside the lane. And He is not only talking about Gilas but also the Taulava led National Teams in 2007 and 2009.

The practice of Asi not going strong for the basketball after an offensive rebound but instead passing out to a team mate in the perimeter should not always be the case. We also need our slashers to attack the basket similar to what Coach E did with his U16 and U18 teams even though they are at a height disadvantage. I remember the formula of Coach E which was gang rebounding wherein certain guys are assigned more in boxing-out the bigs of the other team. In other words certain guys must be willing to sacrifice their bodies.

 

[nardy2]

from Twitter:

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Woke up to an email in my inbox which I had originally received on Sept 6, 2008. The email came from Rajko Toroman. Isn't that so strange?
1 hour ago

 

[interxavierxxx2]

As said by Mario Palma, our National Team does not have a consistent offensive threat inside the lane. And He is not only talking about Gilas but also the Taulava led National Teams in 2007 and 2009.

The practice of Asi not going strong for the basketball after an offensive rebound but instead passing out to a team mate in the perimeter should not always be the case. We also need our slashers to attack the basket similar to what Coach E did with his U16 and U18 teams even though they are at a height disadvantage. I remember the formula of Coach E which was gang rebounding wherein certain guys are assigned more in boxing-out the bigs of the other team. In other words certain guys must be willing to sacrifice their bodies.

I believe Palma used the same strategy (gang rebounding) when he coached Angola, thereby leading them to consistent title runs.

Our 2009 team wasn't really that small compared to Taipei; YG just didn't do his job properly in coaching the team. PBA coaches and their arrogance led us to embarrassment.

This is what I like about Smart Gilas. Although it's not a team composed of the best players in the country, it still managed to bring some respect.

 

[sergio232]

I'm more worried on our front-line's other important job: rebounding. Is our front-line good enough to handle the boards?

In the Asian Games, we had huge problems boxing out Ashgar Kardoust of Iran. This guy is like the back-up for Haddadi.

That is with only Asi Taulava manning the paint. Now with Douthit I think we have a little chance but idk if Haddadi will be there that's a different story. I guess Douthit will be having a hard time against Haddadi, we need a good back up Bigmen just to let douthit rest.

 

[sergio232]

As said by Mario Palma, our National Team does not have a consistent offensive threat inside the lane. And He is not only talking about Gilas but also the Taulava led National Teams in 2007 and 2009.

The practice of Asi not going strong for the basketball after an offensive rebound but instead passing out to a team mate in the perimeter should not always be the case. We also need our slashers to attack the basket similar to what Coach E did with his U16 and U18 teams even though they are at a height disadvantage. I remember the formula of Coach E which was gang rebounding wherein certain guys are assigned more in boxing-out the bigs of the other team. In other words certain guys must be willing to sacrifice their bodies.

Not only Palma but the same observation was noticed by a Serbian coach when the 2007 Tokushima bound team was in Serbia for their training camp. If only we have a Bigmen that could get all the Rebounds and 2nd chance points maybe we could have a different story.