SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. XIII)

[Allanhboy2]

I'm expecting this too, especially since Baracael was reported to have injured his hand during the game.

The injury to Barcael could prove beneficial in the long term as this would certainly provide more minutes for Ramos at the 3 spot during the 2nd PBA conference. I believe it would also afford our best local scorer (Baracael) to rest his tired body for a while, allow him the time to heal while staying focused for the FIBA Asia Championships that will be held in Manila this year.

More on Williams and Ramos though, I still feel that our small ball could work if our Forward combination is made up of these two guys. Imagine a frontline of Douthit, Williams and Ramos ? This would be an upgrade in height and size for the small ball strategy of Toroman while playing Lassiter at the 2 and Reyes at the point. This lineup will be quick and defensive minded at the same time. It would behoove Toroman to try this combination in the future if he will still insist on Small ball come the FIBA tournament later on this year.

 

[Allanhboy2]

yup, ramos is really playing well, and he is shooting the 3pt shot very well. Now, if he can bulk up a little, say 30 lbs, then maybe he can be a mainstay with toroman's system or even in the pba.

if japeth does not watch out,, he may lose his spot to aldrech.

I already think that Aldrech has the inside track on gaining a slot over Japeth. It would take an extraordinary effort on the part of Aguilar during the PBA 2nd conference to change Toroman's mind at this stage. You have to remember that even when Japeth was available Toroman would still trust Aldrech more because of the "maturity factor". Aldrech to me has the typical Euro skill set that Toroman appreciates to make his system work.

Don't get me wrong here, Japeth's raw talents are off the roof and he will certainly be a far more superior PBA player than Ramos when everything is all said and done in their long Basketball careers. However, for the purposes of building an effective FIBA ready team, Ramos is the right piece of the puzzle for Smart Gilas/Team Pilipinas.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

I already think that Aldrech has the inside track on gaining a slot over Japeth. It would take an extraordinary effort on the part of Aguilar during the PBA 2nd conference to change Toroman's mind at this stage. You have to remember that even when Japeth was available Toroman would still trust Aldrech more because of the "maturity factor". Aldrech to me has the typical Euro skill set that Toroman appreciates to make his system work.

Don't get me wrong here, Japeth's raw talents are off the roof and he will certainly be a far more superior PBA player than Ramos when everything is all said and done in their long Basketball careers. However, for the purposes of building an effective FIBA ready team, Ramos is the right piece of the puzzle for Smart Gilas/Team Pilipinas.

I agree with this. The problem with Japeth's way of playing is that he is trying too hard to be an NBA-type of a player. He tries to show that he has the caliber by doing alley hoops and other dunks. What he needs is to adjust his game to a role-player. He needs to rebound and defend the painted area. He also needs to shoot.

This is how FIBA differs mainly from the NBA. Here, you still need to have the ability to shoot (including 3 pointers), run, and rebound no matter what position you are. Ioannis Bourosis (7'0) of Greece, for example, plays center but is a reliable 3 point shooter.

I hope Japeth can at least reach the skills of Antonis Fotsis in his career.

 

[Allanhboy2]

I agree with this. The problem with Japeth's way of playing is that he is trying too hard to be an NBA-type of a player. He tries to show that he has the caliber by doing alley hoops and other dunks. What he needs is to adjust his game to a role-player. He needs to rebound and defend the painted area. He also needs to shoot.

This is how FIBA differs mainly from the NBA. Here, you still need to have the ability to shoot (including 3 pointers), run, and rebound no matter what position you are. Ioannis Bourosis (7'0) of Greece, for example, plays center but is a reliable 3 point shooter.

I hope Japeth can at least reach the skills of Antonis Fotsis in his career.

Japeth needs to stay calm and just watch how Ramos plays. He does not need to be spectacular all the time, I mean Ramos is effective without being spectacular.

Fotsis has a mean streak and perhaps what Aguilar needs to develop while playing for Chot Reyes eventually with TNT. I will go out on a limb by saying that Aguilar will never the player we want him to be while playing for Toroman.

The dude needs a different system and a coach who believes in his talent. Someone who can maximize his raw athleticism by providing him minutes and room to grow, hence the TNT route for him after the 2nd conference.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Japeth needs to stay calm and just watch how Ramos plays. He does not need to be spectacular all the time, I mean Ramos is effective without being spectacular.

Fotsis has a mean streak and perhaps what Aguilar needs to develop while playing for Chot Reyes eventually with TNT. I will go out on a limb by saying that Aguilar will never the player we want him to be while playing for Toroman.

The dude needs a different system and a coach who believes in his talent. Someone who can maximize his raw athleticism by providing him minutes and room to grow, hence the TNT route for him after the 2nd conference.

That's how FIBA basketball works. You provide points, assists, steals, rebounds, etc. You don't need to be spectacular because these things are the factors that wins you ball games.

Iran, even without Bahrami and Haddadi, were able to maintain their competitiveness because their players know how to be role players.

 

[Allanhboy2]

Ramos might be considered lean but his is mentally tough which more than makes up for his less imposing physique. But he is still young and will eventually fill up is body in two years time, perhaps another 10-15 pounds?

He already has good footwork for a guy his size and is really an asset on both ends of the court.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Ramos might be considered lean but his is mentally tough which more than makes up for his less imposing physique. But he is still young and will eventually fill up is body in two years time, perhaps another 10-15 pounds?

He already has good footwork for a guy his size and is really an asset on both ends of the court.

He has the potential to be our team's version of Samad Nikkah Bahrami. We lacked explosive small forwards in our past national teams; it was always our back-court who provided the explosion. The closest we had was Danny Seigle, who got injured so frequently that he couldn't be around in the most important games.

As of now, I don't believe that we can maintain a national team like Smart Gilas forever. It really has to be our professional players who should don the national team colors. Of course, with a foreign coach.

 

[Allanhboy2]

That's how FIBA basketball works. You provide points, assists, steals, rebounds, etc. You don't need to be spectacular because these things are the factors that wins you ball games.

Iran, even without Bahrami and Haddadi, were able to maintain their competitiveness because their players know how to be role players.

I agree, but only mature players can actually do that and therein lies the difference between Ramos and Aguilar. Immaturity breeds selfishness and these traits are prevalent on younger players. Aguilar had this wrong notion that he was on top of the basketball world in the Philippines when he was drafted, resulting in a tug of war between the PBA and SBP. His bloated ego is even now contributing to his dwindling playing time under Toroman and the only way he can correct this is to transfer to TNT and allow him a fresh start.

Chot is a coach that will be patient with him and hopefully will help him to become the Philippines' best player as early as 2 years from now.

 

[Allanhboy2]

He has the potential to be our team's version of Samad Nikkah Bahrami. We lacked explosive small forwards in our past national teams; it was always our back-court who provided the explosion. The closest we had was Danny Seigle, who got injured so frequently that he couldn't be around in the most important games.

As of now, I don't believe that we can maintain a national team like Smart Gilas forever. It really has to be our professional players who should don the national team colors. Of course, with a foreign coach.

I think this is slowly sinking into our national basketball psyche. The NCCC model was sufficient at that time when only China stood in our path. But the world of basketball has changed drastically since then.

Eventually, all our Basketball stake holders need to recognize that our Teampilipinas or senior men's national team would have to be composed of the best talents (ideally pro players), perhaps a Naturalized player (if our big men are not yet ready), although I am not yet sold on another foreign coach after Toroman. Given time and exposure to FIBA rules, our local pool of coaches have enough to become effective as the National Team coach.

 

[Allanhboy2]

He has the potential to be our team's version of Samad Nikkah Bahrami. We lacked explosive small forwards in our past national teams; it was always our back-court who provided the explosion. The closest we had was Danny Seigle, who got injured so frequently that he couldn't be around in the most important games.

As of now, I don't believe that we can maintain a national team like Smart Gilas forever. It really has to be our professional players who should don the national team colors. Of course, with a foreign coach.

Potential, I would agree that Ramos can develop into that type of player. But I doubt if he will ever have the handles that Samad has. What makes Bherami special is at 6'5 he has reliable ball handling skills which he developed while he was still young and probably playing guard against bigger players in grade school all the way to college. As opposed to Ramos who has been taught at the very early stages of his development that he will be a big man.

He currently plays center with FEU and as a Big forward for Smart Gilas, these factors completely hampers his growth to be a dribbling big man in the mold of Ramon Fernandez (I wonder why we never produced another player like him, his mad skills would have been a smash hit for our national teams).

I also doubt that Ramos will ever be given a chance to handle the ball like a guard in the future setup of the national teams. Having ball handling abilities akin to a guard is what separates Samad amongst the top SF in Asia. He can create his own shots and also make plays constantly through his dribble penetrations. It would be great for Ramos to develop this way but dribbling abilities should have been inculcated at his early age.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

I think this is slowly sinking into our national basketball psyche. The NCCC model was sufficient at that time where only China stood in our path. But the world of basketball has changed drastically since then.

Eventually, all our Basketball stake holders need to recognize that our Teampilipinas or senior men's national team would have to be composed of the best talents (ideally pro players), perhaps a Naturalized player (if our big men are not yet ready), although I am not yet sold on another foreign coach after Toroman. Given time and exposure to FIBA rules, our local pool of coaches have enough to become effective as the National Team coach.

Unless the PBA adapts fully to FIBA play, it will be hard for our local coaches to be entrusted with the job. There are better foreign coaches out there. Toroman is just one person.

Let's not forget also that Toroman did not have the freedom of coaching a team like the 2007 national team. Like I've said before, a senior national team is not supposed to be a developmental team; it's supposed to be a developed team, which is why the best players of the country have to be in it.

 

[Allanhboy2]

Unless the PBA adapts fully to FIBA play, it will be hard for our local coaches to be entrusted with the job. There are better foreign coaches out there. Toroman is just one person.

Let's not forget also that Toroman did not have the freedom of coaching a team like the 2007 national team. Like I've said before, senior national team are not supposed to be developmental team; it's supposed to be a developed team, which is why the best players of the country have to be in it.

I completely agree with you on this one, and the reason why my previous posts suggested that Toroman concentrate on developing the U23, U18 and even the U16 teams. Orient them on the Euro fundamentals and skills development. The players that are then produced by these development programs should be considered as part of the youth movement for our Senior National team which should be made up of mainly pro players.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

I completely agree with you on this one, and the reason why my previous posts suggested that Toroman concentrate on developing the U23, U18 and even the U16 teams. Orient them on the Euro fundamentals and skills development. The players that are then produced by these development programs should be considered as part of the youth movement for our Senior National team which should be made up of mainly pro players.

We have a sound youth program in the U16 and U18 categories; this is good. The only thing we need to fix right now is the senior national team. This would mean finding ways to get the PBA attached without compromising their revenues. I already offered a solution a few weeks back:

Make the third conference a FIBA conference where international rules are used, foreign teams are invited, and unlimited heights for imports. The players for the national team would be released at this time period under a contract or Memorandum of Agreement.

This is what our rivals are doing:

National Team Training Pool --> Selection of Players --> Training --> Actual Competition

 

[Allanhboy2]

We have a sound youth program in the U16 and U18 categories; this is good. The only thing we need to fix right now is the senior national team. This would mean finding ways to get the PBA attached without compromising their revenues. I already offered a solution a few weeks back:

Make the third conference a FIBA conference where international rules is used, foreign teams are invited, and unlimited heights for imports. The players for the national team would be released at this time period under a contract or Memorandum of Agreement.
This is what our rivals are doing:

National Team Training Pool --> Selection of Players --> Training --> Actual Competition

Great suggestion, I just hope the new PBA commish will consider this solution as the future format to support our National Team.

This would also make the league more exciting for fans to witness different pro teams playing against their local favorites. It wouldn't hurt as well to invite the champion ABL team to further spice up the format.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Great suggestion, I just hope the new PBA commish will consider this solution as the future format to support our National Team.

We know Sir Nardy is reading; let's hope he spreads the word.

A strong professional league is a breeding ground for a strong national team.

I think I'm making this my signature.

 

[Allanhboy2]

We know Sir Nardy is reading; let's hope he spreads the word.

A strong professional league is a breeding ground for a strong national team.

I think I'm making this my signature.

It is a more relevant signature, especially for this basketball focused thread.

 

[jepoy2]

madman

madman

Hey guys! Do anyone know if SMart Gilas is looking for other guys to be added to the team besides the Kraken Fajardo and the 2 pointguards of 2 schools that Pangilinan supports? Are u telling me we haven't discovered any big Fil ams? I heard San Sebastian has a 6'8 fil am coming in, why not include the dude or find someone else. That team that we have watch last night won't win anything believe me. The would win in the PBA but not internationally.

 

[lovejones2]

Hey guys! Do anyone know if SMart Gilas is looking for other guys to be added to the team besides the Kraken Fajardo and the 2 pointguards of 2 schools that Pangilinan supports? Are u telling me we haven't discovered any big Fil ams? I heard San Sebastian has a 6'8 fil am coming in, why not include the dude or find someone else. That team that we have watch last night won't win anything believe me. The would win in the PBA but not internationally.

Perhaps they'll believe you - info@sbp.ph

Happy writing

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

Smart Gilas took an early 17-3 lead in the 1st quarter. But come second quarter, TNT unleashed its small ball/running game and took the lead at halftime.

In fairness to TNT, their tallest players (who were fielded) were Ranidel De Ocampo and Kelly Williams. Both stand only 6'6". And the third fellow 6'4" Ali Peek helped in the rotation. While Gilas had 6'11" Marcus Douthit and 6'6" Aldrech Ramos starting. Then coming from the bench were 6'8" Jason Ballesteros and 6'11" Greg Slaughter.

If Toroman kept on insisting a bigger frontline last night, they would have lost the game because TNT's small ball was running them to the ground. Kelly Williams and Ranidel De Ocampo kept abusing the Gilas big men with their outside shooting and face-up drives.

Toroman did a good job of matching-up TNT by playing small ball as well. With Douthit as the lone big man and supported by 6'2" Lassiter, 5'10 Barroca, 5'11" Tiu and 5'9" Casio.

Like his previous stint with the Iranian basketball team, Toroman has a propensity for using his big man to play "heavy minutes". Toroman did it before with 7'2" Haddadi. And is currently been doing it with Douthit. IT IS BECAUSE IT IS TOROMAN'S STYLE.

In the NCC days, Ron Jacobs also did the same with 6'8" Dennis Still with only 6'5" Tonichi Yturri relieving him in scrub time. The other old-timers in this forum can attest to this.

 

[KevinDurant2]

Slaughter and Balle should be given more playing time. Douthit might be burned out before FIBA Asia.