TrueBluePinoy2
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Huh?? Lassiter already signed up for Gilas last December.
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Huh?? Lassiter already signed up for Gilas last December.
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tamagurl872
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two points that i thought would be good points to ponder..
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kerouac822
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Exactly my point. Now, what does that have to do with heart anyway? And also, do NOT make it appear that the quality of practice is an extraneous variable, because it is anything but.
Frankly, your logic is laughable.
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Big Ticket2
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We've been debating so many things about the PBA when I think the best solution is to just adjust the PBA season and all other leagues according to the FIBA calendar. The Euro/NBA and other Asian leagues have done this so why can't we?? That's it pansit!
before you start ranting, the PBA has already changed its season schedule, thanks to then commish noli eala....its october to june/july now....before it was feb to nov/dec...that's it, pansit!
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kaiziken_pinas2
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sir, when did I mention heart? I thought we were only talking about practice, preparation, etc....
This was all a misunderstanding. me and Manu_bol were having an animated discussion about how heart is an overrated variable.
lol. I'm confused on which part of my logic is laughable.
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ken_bball2
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yup i know.. that is why i am getting so irritated that they went back to the october to july format. lintek na pasit yan na panis na!!
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kerouac822
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sir, when did I mention heart? I thought we were only talking about practice, preparation, etc....
This was all a misunderstanding. me and Manu_bol were having an animated discussion about how heart is an overrated variable.
lol. I'm confused on which part of my logic is laughable.
Lemme refresh your memory.
1. You mentioned that you need heart to practice, or something to that effect.
2. I answered that if the wrong training is given, it will not work even if you work your ass off in practice.
I agree that practice is an integral part of preparation. In fact, it is the only way you can get set plays right.
However, if the system you are training with diminishes your strengths and highlights your weaknesses, it will never work in game situations no matter how much practice you put into it.
Fine, I'll acknowledge our players' heart, too. However, it should not discount the fact that Toroman's system is one that works by putting our players' strengths (namely quickness and outside shooting) to good use, and by making the most out of our big men's athleticism. Both me and manu_bol want to see opponents quivering in fear whenever the likes of Chris Tiu get the ball in their hands, simply because they know that something amazing is about to happen. And yes, training is a big part of that, not less than any other factor.
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kerouac822
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What's wrong with the October-to-July format? I think it's perfect for FIBA competition. It also assures us of basketball games all year round.
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ken_bball2
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kaiziken_pinas2
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I see.
However, I want you to know that I am not one of those people that thinks that HEART is very important.
In fact, we should focus more on the tangible aspects, not the ones that we cannot see.
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alien space bats2
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jawo2
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Again as we now saw the hesitant showing of Barrios, Alvarez, and Encarnado and probably some other board members of the PBA in lending even a single player in Kelly Williams, the SBP really need to simply work on its own to make the national team work.
This is the reason that I really do not want the SBP for the time being to seek help from the PBA. More than the political scenario behind it, indifference on vision and mission objectives of both private basketball bodies would only give more harm than good in our drive for international basketball respectability. This is not even to count the difference on brand of play and heart to play for country.
In as much as we want to send the best possible line up in the coming Asiad wars, I would rather prepare a team with lesser talent but with cohesiveness due to less disruption than a team that has a solid paper line up but never reached its ful potential due to so many factors outside of it.
Honestly, I really hate Buddy Encarnado but not the PBA. And if the PBA would stand firm on not lending the players so be it.
Remember that due to the inadequacies of the BAP, the PBA sacrificed and bankrolled past national teams since 1990 risking not only the players but the league itself. Though the PBA has moral obligation to its loyal fans, it is not the direct organisation tasked to form the Philippine national team.
The PBA is a private entity with different mission and they need to protect their interest, so lending the players is not an easy decision for the PBA. If Kelly Williams gets injured due to his stint with the Smart Gilas team, then chances are Sta. Lucia’s hope not only of its PBA win-loss standing but also themarketing exposure of the company in the PBA would be minimized. The investments of these PBA teams are no joke!
As DTFernando said, the SBP has to move on, move away from the PBA and just do your own thing. If the SBP would count on the PBA even for a few players then it is no different from the BAP of Lito Puyat and Graham Lim.
Remember that the Philippines went down from among the elites in Asia in probably at least two decades because the BAP had no solid program and all it does is to depend on the PBA and worse would blame the PBA on the country’s poor showing in the international scene.
What the SBP has to do is to look for more programs and if the problem is the lack of athletic wingmen due to genes then maybe they need to sustain a solid scouting program abroad. I
remember that part of the SBP’s program is a continous scouting for top Fil-Ams in the United States but it seems it has stopped now.
Kelly Willams of Sta. Lucia whom coach Toroman wants to enlist in his national team is a product of scouting. If the PBA can do scouting why not the SBP. There are so many agents flying in and around the Filipino community abroad and it only take a serious scouting program to get the job done.
The SBP has to do it and let the PBA salivate for the entree of new athletic players that the SBP can call their own.
I understand the need from the PBA and yes even though they have no legal obligation in forming the national team, they have the moral obligation behind it. However the PBA have done its part in the past which is why I would rather want to see the SBP to move on its own right now.
Seeking help from the PBA right now seemed premature to me, Noli Eala somewhat became too pumped up on our recent Dubai showing that he now started to solicit public clamor via media , but he has to remember that his SBP has yet to prove a lot.
I’d like Noli Eala to get a commanding respect from the PBA due to the success of his SBP and not of the support from the Pinoy fans.
Nolia Eala has to focus on how SBP can move on its own and not to seek help from the PBA to create a strong national team. The help from the PBA would come and it should come in due time as long as Noli Eala proves that he made a success for the SBP.
To us passionate basketball fans who want nothing but to gain our respectability in Asia, you have to learn how to put things in proper perspective. The SBP is created for a continous and long-term national team program.
If you want the Philippines to be back in the Asian elites for a longer and solid presence, then do not look for instant success. Kelly Williams can and may help the national team, but that is again not in the vision of making a solid consistent and continous strong national team because Williams can never be dedicated to the national team because he is a PBA player.
Guys do not look on the SBP’s national team formation via the line up of players but look on what are and how they run their programs for the national team in the direction of making a solid cohesive team. This is because we are not only looking for the 2010 Asian games and 2011 FIBA-Asia alone, we are looking for a good finish in every FIBA basketball tournament year in and year out!
Is the inclusion of Williams will give us a good finish in the coming Asian games? Maybe yes but what about in the future? Probably not because Williams would not be around for long coz he is with the PBA.
But one thing I am sure of is a created solid and effective overall national team program where most players are a product of prolonged period of time of being together would always put the Philippines on the elites of Asia.
This is the reason that I really do not want the SBP for the time being to seek help from the PBA. More than the political scenario behind it, indifference on vision and mission objectives of both private basketball bodies would only give more harm than good in our drive for international basketball respectability. This is not even to count the difference on brand of play and heart to play for country.
In as much as we want to send the best possible line up in the coming Asiad wars, I would rather prepare a team with lesser talent but with cohesiveness due to less disruption than a team that has a solid paper line up but never reached its ful potential due to so many factors outside of it.
Honestly, I really hate Buddy Encarnado but not the PBA. And if the PBA would stand firm on not lending the players so be it.
Remember that due to the inadequacies of the BAP, the PBA sacrificed and bankrolled past national teams since 1990 risking not only the players but the league itself. Though the PBA has moral obligation to its loyal fans, it is not the direct organisation tasked to form the Philippine national team.
The PBA is a private entity with different mission and they need to protect their interest, so lending the players is not an easy decision for the PBA. If Kelly Williams gets injured due to his stint with the Smart Gilas team, then chances are Sta. Lucia’s hope not only of its PBA win-loss standing but also themarketing exposure of the company in the PBA would be minimized. The investments of these PBA teams are no joke!
As DTFernando said, the SBP has to move on, move away from the PBA and just do your own thing. If the SBP would count on the PBA even for a few players then it is no different from the BAP of Lito Puyat and Graham Lim.
Remember that the Philippines went down from among the elites in Asia in probably at least two decades because the BAP had no solid program and all it does is to depend on the PBA and worse would blame the PBA on the country’s poor showing in the international scene.
What the SBP has to do is to look for more programs and if the problem is the lack of athletic wingmen due to genes then maybe they need to sustain a solid scouting program abroad. I
remember that part of the SBP’s program is a continous scouting for top Fil-Ams in the United States but it seems it has stopped now.
Kelly Willams of Sta. Lucia whom coach Toroman wants to enlist in his national team is a product of scouting. If the PBA can do scouting why not the SBP. There are so many agents flying in and around the Filipino community abroad and it only take a serious scouting program to get the job done.
The SBP has to do it and let the PBA salivate for the entree of new athletic players that the SBP can call their own.
I understand the need from the PBA and yes even though they have no legal obligation in forming the national team, they have the moral obligation behind it. However the PBA have done its part in the past which is why I would rather want to see the SBP to move on its own right now.
Seeking help from the PBA right now seemed premature to me, Noli Eala somewhat became too pumped up on our recent Dubai showing that he now started to solicit public clamor via media , but he has to remember that his SBP has yet to prove a lot.
I’d like Noli Eala to get a commanding respect from the PBA due to the success of his SBP and not of the support from the Pinoy fans.
Nolia Eala has to focus on how SBP can move on its own and not to seek help from the PBA to create a strong national team. The help from the PBA would come and it should come in due time as long as Noli Eala proves that he made a success for the SBP.
To us passionate basketball fans who want nothing but to gain our respectability in Asia, you have to learn how to put things in proper perspective. The SBP is created for a continous and long-term national team program.
If you want the Philippines to be back in the Asian elites for a longer and solid presence, then do not look for instant success. Kelly Williams can and may help the national team, but that is again not in the vision of making a solid consistent and continous strong national team because Williams can never be dedicated to the national team because he is a PBA player.
Guys do not look on the SBP’s national team formation via the line up of players but look on what are and how they run their programs for the national team in the direction of making a solid cohesive team. This is because we are not only looking for the 2010 Asian games and 2011 FIBA-Asia alone, we are looking for a good finish in every FIBA basketball tournament year in and year out!
Is the inclusion of Williams will give us a good finish in the coming Asian games? Maybe yes but what about in the future? Probably not because Williams would not be around for long coz he is with the PBA.
But one thing I am sure of is a created solid and effective overall national team program where most players are a product of prolonged period of time of being together would always put the Philippines on the elites of Asia.
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lizardking2
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If the PBA team just lends its player upon request, well and good.
But realistically, it seems its just not in the best interest of the PBA team owners to lose a key player for a couple of years with nothing in return. No matter how you look at it, its gonna look like youre asking the corporation to throw away tens of millions for nothing. I wouldnt want my business to be run that way. Would you?
So I opine the answer is to give them something to even things out.
The teams are not in the PBA to earn money from gate receipts and merchandise sales over their costs. They are always gonna be in the red. In other words, losing money. But they stick it out for the media advertising which is worth the money lost. Probably more.
So if you get their key player, they lose games, their stint in the PBA is cut short, they lose that precious advertising. Thats even more damage to the company.
That being said, maybe Smart Gilas should consider accomodating in its team name, the PBA team that lends its player to make up for the latter's loss. This way its a win-win situation. Smart Gilas gets a crucial player, the PBA team got what it wanted, advertising for two years.
So if you look at it, the PBA teams just handing over a player to Gilas because the SBP requested is too simplistic. It may be patriotic, but it is also quite dumb businesswise. Its not just dumb because theyre throwing money away, its also dumb because they are handing over a marquee player to boost the popularity of Smart Gilas, forgetting their own product or the league they are playing in. Its like theyre gonna be paying a big chunk to promote whose product?
The PBA is a business, so is SMART.
But realistically, it seems its just not in the best interest of the PBA team owners to lose a key player for a couple of years with nothing in return. No matter how you look at it, its gonna look like youre asking the corporation to throw away tens of millions for nothing. I wouldnt want my business to be run that way. Would you?
So I opine the answer is to give them something to even things out.
The teams are not in the PBA to earn money from gate receipts and merchandise sales over their costs. They are always gonna be in the red. In other words, losing money. But they stick it out for the media advertising which is worth the money lost. Probably more.
So if you get their key player, they lose games, their stint in the PBA is cut short, they lose that precious advertising. Thats even more damage to the company.
That being said, maybe Smart Gilas should consider accomodating in its team name, the PBA team that lends its player to make up for the latter's loss. This way its a win-win situation. Smart Gilas gets a crucial player, the PBA team got what it wanted, advertising for two years.
So if you look at it, the PBA teams just handing over a player to Gilas because the SBP requested is too simplistic. It may be patriotic, but it is also quite dumb businesswise. Its not just dumb because theyre throwing money away, its also dumb because they are handing over a marquee player to boost the popularity of Smart Gilas, forgetting their own product or the league they are playing in. Its like theyre gonna be paying a big chunk to promote whose product?
The PBA is a business, so is SMART.
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reamily2
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manu_bol2
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Relax muna tayo...
here's my tribute video on gilas' strongest asset - team offense
forgive the amateurish video editing... enjoy
here's my tribute video on gilas' strongest asset - team offense
forgive the amateurish video editing... enjoy
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alien space bats2
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this is not a smart idea, any experienced advertising agent would say. basic is the rule in advertising that in a commercial, you can convey one thing well, two things half as well, and three things badly.
if smart gilas is for endorsing smart products, then the message is best conveyed by endorsing only smart gilas products. making the advertisement into smart gilas-sta lucia NT can only make the endorsement half as effective.
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Joe Yabuki2
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how about awarding the draft rights to a certain player or players in Gilas when they decide to join the PBA? although I guess this idea wont sit too well with the other members of the board. specially with teams that have nothing to offer to Gilas(Coke, Bap...err Burger).
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lizardking2
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this is not a smart idea, any experienced advertising agent would say. basic is the rule in advertising that in a commercial, you can convey one thing well, two things half as well, and three things badly.
if smart gilas is for endorsing smart products, then the message is best conveyed by endorsing only smart gilas products. making the advertisement into smart gilas-sta lucia NT can only make the endorsement half as effective.
It may not be smart but at least its dumb....
Seriously now. I don't know anything at all about advertising but the team name is not a commercial.
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alien space bats2
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this could work. but not via the draft as that would be contrary to draft rules.
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yesha_242
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That draft right is better than having the 1st pick of the draft.
Sobrang labo nyan.
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