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yehey ! this made my day, its really nice to hear CB & CS are open to try it out with SG 
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talion
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There's the rub. If Kelly "cannot" play ( I'm assuming this has a lot to do with basketball politics and not Kelly's choice) then the arrival of an agile tall guy in Christian Stanhardinger will suffice. I understand CS is a tall SG-SF. What i was wishing for was a tall SF-PF like Kelly who can bang bodies and instill fear if needed be. Then again, i havent really seen CS upclose and personal the way i have observed Kelly. In a world where we can't have both, maybe the inclusion of CS is more ideal after all.
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manu_bol2
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many are forgetting that CS is very much suited for the SF position...
i don't know about the other 2 fil-ams, but like what one poster said here, it should be CS, CL, and the naturalized player to complete the team...
but since this is just a pool... hey, the more the merrier!
ideally, we would likely have a lineup of:
C - 7'0/6'10
PF - 6'10/6'8/6'8
SF - 6'8/6'3
SG - 6'3/6'3/6'0
PG - 5'10/5'9
that's international standard, in my opinion... and we would not sacrifice speed with that possible lineup.
i don't know about the other 2 fil-ams, but like what one poster said here, it should be CS, CL, and the naturalized player to complete the team...
but since this is just a pool... hey, the more the merrier!
ideally, we would likely have a lineup of:
C - 7'0/6'10
PF - 6'10/6'8/6'8
SF - 6'8/6'3
SG - 6'3/6'3/6'0
PG - 5'10/5'9
that's international standard, in my opinion... and we would not sacrifice speed with that possible lineup.
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nardy2
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its more on the influence of Marlou and Dennis. One must remember when he was chosen by Coach Chot and Coach Yeng, it took him some time to report for practice. In the 2007 team, he made "tampo" to Chot when he was not originally picked after the FIBA Suspension was lifted. Then in the 2009, he also took him some time to join the practices but unfortunately when he was decided to, he was afflicted with a blood disorder.
Anyway it is useless at the moment to ask for PBA players as the present Board is not going to allow any PBA player to join. Let's see what happens when Lito Alvarez relinquishes his chairmanship but with him there it would take a lot of wheeling-and-dealing before such a thing happens. With a budget to follow that is not practical at this time.
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the_BuGs2
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influenced by marlou "coach magkano ba allowance namin dito" aquino? no wonder...
trans (coach how much is our allowance here?)
trans (coach how much is our allowance here?)
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manu_bol2
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imo, quote of the day:
from nardy:
makes perfect sense for everyone...
hoepfully, our own version of bahrami/khatib:
JERSEY # 7
from nardy:
makes perfect sense for everyone...
hoepfully, our own version of bahrami/khatib:
JERSEY # 7
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talion
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apparently, stanhardinger playing for philippines is only detrimental to one german, and not the whole german national basketball program which has a lot of talents to choose from. you already know him.
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dtfernando2
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Some fans can really send confusing signals as to what they really like in a national team. Some would like all homegrown players, even though very few are simultaneously athletic, tall, strong and basketball-smart enough to really play basketball. Sure we have over thirty million homegrown 5'6" to 5'10" players to send to basketball tournaments; and they have exactly zero chances of winning over the next hundred years.
Besides, if you put yourself in the shoes of the Pinoy father or mother of the so-called Filfors, what would you feel if some local fans think your son does not deserve to play with Pinoys as Pinoys? That is wrongful discrimination by any definition, and certainly not a sentiment shared by all Pinoys. If that was true, then Jaworski, Atoy Co, Kelly Williams and all the other players with foreigner's blood in them should have been never alowed to play at all in any national team.
Or what about that 6'10" Visayan who is 100% Pinoy and 100% Chinese-owned and 100% gambler-controlled? Is this virtual slave, who can't even play for the national team for some stupid reason or another still a genuine Pinoy to you? Or perhaps you want the 6'11" Jericho de Guzman and Gian Chiu who have physical disabilities serious enough to prevent them from taking on the punishment of college basketball, let alone international cage wars? Maybe you would like the so-called "professional" players who also happen to be slaves to the playing schedule and priorities of their commercial teams and are not ever allowed to render enough time to internationally compete together as a national team? What about that foreigner Taulava who plays Pinoy better than professional "superstar" Pinoys with huge fan bases here who are completely unmasked in international games for their mediocre physical capabilities and near-useless talents? Even "Pinoy" players like Caguioa and Helterbrand moved and spoke so fake Pinoy, that one would wonder how they were classified as Pinoys at all.
Worse of all, the national team managers should never send injured players to international tournaments. Sending players with injuries and serious sprains not only can physically harm the playing careers of the affected players, but is also a supreme act of stupidity in FIBA championships where losing once is almost always fatal. Performing well in FIBA tournaments require players in near-perfect physical and mental condition to have a high chance of winning.
Sending 100 percent homegrown small players to international tournaments is always okay: all you have to do is to just SPEND 100 percent for their development and travel costs. Why is it that there are so many geniuses who think that this-and-that player should be in a national team, and not even willing to sacrifice his salary or his company's profits to send their favorite homeboys abroad? Why is it that so many corporate sponsors and millionaires suddenly disappear when one passes the hat to help defray the very expensive training cost of national team building???
It is so very easy to be false patriots and nationalists in sports like basketball, or to have champagne tastes on a beer budget. One can only hope that greater personal wisdom prevails so personal desires to have favorite local players in the national team -- which is often wrongly confused as some expression of patriotism or nationalism -- do not burn out the remaining common-sense in one's body.
Besides, if you put yourself in the shoes of the Pinoy father or mother of the so-called Filfors, what would you feel if some local fans think your son does not deserve to play with Pinoys as Pinoys? That is wrongful discrimination by any definition, and certainly not a sentiment shared by all Pinoys. If that was true, then Jaworski, Atoy Co, Kelly Williams and all the other players with foreigner's blood in them should have been never alowed to play at all in any national team.
Or what about that 6'10" Visayan who is 100% Pinoy and 100% Chinese-owned and 100% gambler-controlled? Is this virtual slave, who can't even play for the national team for some stupid reason or another still a genuine Pinoy to you? Or perhaps you want the 6'11" Jericho de Guzman and Gian Chiu who have physical disabilities serious enough to prevent them from taking on the punishment of college basketball, let alone international cage wars? Maybe you would like the so-called "professional" players who also happen to be slaves to the playing schedule and priorities of their commercial teams and are not ever allowed to render enough time to internationally compete together as a national team? What about that foreigner Taulava who plays Pinoy better than professional "superstar" Pinoys with huge fan bases here who are completely unmasked in international games for their mediocre physical capabilities and near-useless talents? Even "Pinoy" players like Caguioa and Helterbrand moved and spoke so fake Pinoy, that one would wonder how they were classified as Pinoys at all.
Worse of all, the national team managers should never send injured players to international tournaments. Sending players with injuries and serious sprains not only can physically harm the playing careers of the affected players, but is also a supreme act of stupidity in FIBA championships where losing once is almost always fatal. Performing well in FIBA tournaments require players in near-perfect physical and mental condition to have a high chance of winning.
Sending 100 percent homegrown small players to international tournaments is always okay: all you have to do is to just SPEND 100 percent for their development and travel costs. Why is it that there are so many geniuses who think that this-and-that player should be in a national team, and not even willing to sacrifice his salary or his company's profits to send their favorite homeboys abroad? Why is it that so many corporate sponsors and millionaires suddenly disappear when one passes the hat to help defray the very expensive training cost of national team building???
It is so very easy to be false patriots and nationalists in sports like basketball, or to have champagne tastes on a beer budget. One can only hope that greater personal wisdom prevails so personal desires to have favorite local players in the national team -- which is often wrongly confused as some expression of patriotism or nationalism -- do not burn out the remaining common-sense in one's body.
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dtfernando2
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By the way, the national team pool for the United States of America has 27 men at the last count. Are Pinoys so good in basketball that some fans would like the national team pool limited to the original 12-14 locals for the next two years? Is the politics of small-Pinoy players so addictive that one cannot kick out small players from the pool even when they clearly show signs of being overwhelmed by bigger and taller players who happen to be as quick as them or even better shooters than they can ever be?
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talion
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and the main issue of your literary piece is? i didnt quite get it, due to your overuse of rhetoric.
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dtfernando2
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There is nothing rhetorical about what I said. It is also not a literary piece. It was always your choice to read or not to read my opinions.
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talion
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an essay is not a literary piece? since when? anyway, i chose to read your essay and i had a hard time determining what the main issue was, that's all. you dont have to explain yourself if you dont want to.
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dtfernando2
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an essay is not a literary piece? since when? anyway, i chose to read your essay and i had a hard time determining what the main issue was, that's all. you dont have to explain yourself if you dont want to.
It is also your choice to understand, misunderstand or refuse to understand what you want.
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joeven2
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It is also your choice to understand, misunderstand or refuse to understand what you want.
Now back to our regular programming!
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elcian2
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Very true indeed. We cannot get caught up with sentimentality issues or favoritism. This is the national team. Let those who deserve to be in the team stay and play and those who aren't, let go or cut off. At the end of the day, what's important is we field a team that can COMPETE with the best and that means using the best available players.
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weward2
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we are in a different time already..
those fans who keep on telling that fil-fors are not really to be proud of with our team are just plain b%llsh!t..
i bet that if they have companies, they will be closed already.
how about telling those stupid 1940's remarks/comments to russia,usa,jordan,lebanon,japan,etc <-- they even got naturalized players with them. or great britain,france etc <-- players got no blood relation at all with the country they play for!
or better tell manny pacquiao that he's fake because he has american coach.
too much pride = bobo.
those fans who keep on telling that fil-fors are not really to be proud of with our team are just plain b%llsh!t..
i bet that if they have companies, they will be closed already.
how about telling those stupid 1940's remarks/comments to russia,usa,jordan,lebanon,japan,etc <-- they even got naturalized players with them. or great britain,france etc <-- players got no blood relation at all with the country they play for!
or better tell manny pacquiao that he's fake because he has american coach.
too much pride = bobo.
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neo2
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Honestly i think its kinda sad that fans think that way... It's not their fault if they are only half-blooded or part Filipinos.. As long as they want to play for the country it's fine with me.. As a fan, it's ok with me if they have foreign blood as long as they acknowledge their Filipino roots..
it is ok and i actually support it. surely, they won't be invited if there are better alternatives from the homegrown pool. it is just that too many fil-foreigners (say 6 or 7) plus a naturalized center looks unappealing to me
. of course, it would not come into that. not unless there's 2 more fil-for there who stand's 6'9 and 6'11 and plays like josh smith and dwight howard respectively
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Some of my thoughts on Smart Gilas and Philippine Basketball
Some of my thoughts on Smart Gilas and Philippine Basketball
I hope that in the future we actually accomplish our goal of having a POOL of players to choose from. A pool that is developed from childhood, teen hood to adulthood. Here's to hoping the youth programs translate to the senior's program. Also, I hope and wish that players who are "tall" for Philippine standards get developed into fast, mobile forwards instead of the proverbial 6'3-6'5 back to the basket Filipino Centers that we have here. Even more so players who are extremely tall for Philippine standards like Greg Slaughter and Japeth Aguilar. In my estimation, Japeth may be the only 6'9 forward in Philippine History that actually could play like a shooting 3/4 guy while having the insane athleticism of an African American and probably speed (hoping he develops the speed and quickness and stops being indecisive).
I admire Coach Toroman for developing our players and letting them try out positions that they should have been playing long before (but they did not play here in the Philippines). At least with Gilas, Andi Mark and Jv are PGs, not SGs (although they play double PG's sometimes which is very difficult in international games). Baracael, Ababou, and Ramos are at least being developed to play the 3 spot which seems more apt for their types of games anyway. Ballasteros has improved tremendously with his defene and rebounding and conditioning. I am hoping the same goes for all the big men on our team (Rabeh, Greg, Japeth). Kudos should also go to Coach Jim Saret for being such an excellent conditioning and strengthening coach. When I watched the Dubai games, I could clearly see that the players were conditioned physically and that improved their mentality coming into games because they knew they were in the best condition possible. They seemed to move faster as well.
Lastly, while our team may not succeed in the upcoming international competitions, the important thing is to get the ball rolling. Kick start the change that we need. Our Filipino game of basketball must start to evolve. Let's stop copying the American game. Only Americans can PLAY like Americans and even now the NBA is focused more on drive and kicks and moving the basketball instead of the ugly and horrendous non stop 1 on 1 plays of the 90's.
This "Euro" ball or "International" style that Toroman has introduced to us should at least be considered as a new style with which to train our players and which they should be playing with. It focuses on things like team work, passing, being good shooters, setting screens/picks, rebounding, doing the dirty stuff, no showboating, no 1 on 1, just basketball, just being disciplined and always taking one for the better of the team, and more PASSING and SHARING. At the end of the day, 1 on 1 moves are fun to watch and do, but I'd take winning any day over "pasikat" plays that are rendered obsolete in the international game where teams can just zone you out of existence anyway.
That's part of the reason why the PBA is so boring to watch (at least for me). It's just 1 on 1 ISO's, 2 man pick and rolls and posting up (by midget PFs and C) non stop for 48 minutes. I can't stand to watch it. If the shots actually fell then maybe it could be passed up but the problem is almost no one scores and sets any semblance of plays (save for a few? what do you guys think?). I find myself confused when I see someone wide open and then the team opts to let its "superstar" go 1 on 1 instead. RoS has this supposed "motion" offense but all they do is run around the 3 pt line trying to find open spots. That's great and all except no one sets picks, back picks, screens whatever so no one gets open. No one cuts, no one moves. All they do is stand around and watch the ball carrier until time runs out or Solomon Mercado goes on one of those Jay-Jay Helterbrand exoduses and decides to dribble the ball for 23 seconds before deciding, "Hey time to shoot it! Hope it goes in" or "I'll pass it off to a team mate who's been waiting for my pass for 20 seconds and who will be now pressured to take the shot instead of me! Screw him! At least I didn't take the bad shot!" For me, that's Philippine Basketball in a microcosm.
Your thoughts guys?
Some of my thoughts on Smart Gilas and Philippine Basketball
I hope that in the future we actually accomplish our goal of having a POOL of players to choose from. A pool that is developed from childhood, teen hood to adulthood. Here's to hoping the youth programs translate to the senior's program. Also, I hope and wish that players who are "tall" for Philippine standards get developed into fast, mobile forwards instead of the proverbial 6'3-6'5 back to the basket Filipino Centers that we have here. Even more so players who are extremely tall for Philippine standards like Greg Slaughter and Japeth Aguilar. In my estimation, Japeth may be the only 6'9 forward in Philippine History that actually could play like a shooting 3/4 guy while having the insane athleticism of an African American and probably speed (hoping he develops the speed and quickness and stops being indecisive).
I admire Coach Toroman for developing our players and letting them try out positions that they should have been playing long before (but they did not play here in the Philippines). At least with Gilas, Andi Mark and Jv are PGs, not SGs (although they play double PG's sometimes which is very difficult in international games). Baracael, Ababou, and Ramos are at least being developed to play the 3 spot which seems more apt for their types of games anyway. Ballasteros has improved tremendously with his defene and rebounding and conditioning. I am hoping the same goes for all the big men on our team (Rabeh, Greg, Japeth). Kudos should also go to Coach Jim Saret for being such an excellent conditioning and strengthening coach. When I watched the Dubai games, I could clearly see that the players were conditioned physically and that improved their mentality coming into games because they knew they were in the best condition possible. They seemed to move faster as well.
Lastly, while our team may not succeed in the upcoming international competitions, the important thing is to get the ball rolling. Kick start the change that we need. Our Filipino game of basketball must start to evolve. Let's stop copying the American game. Only Americans can PLAY like Americans and even now the NBA is focused more on drive and kicks and moving the basketball instead of the ugly and horrendous non stop 1 on 1 plays of the 90's.
This "Euro" ball or "International" style that Toroman has introduced to us should at least be considered as a new style with which to train our players and which they should be playing with. It focuses on things like team work, passing, being good shooters, setting screens/picks, rebounding, doing the dirty stuff, no showboating, no 1 on 1, just basketball, just being disciplined and always taking one for the better of the team, and more PASSING and SHARING. At the end of the day, 1 on 1 moves are fun to watch and do, but I'd take winning any day over "pasikat" plays that are rendered obsolete in the international game where teams can just zone you out of existence anyway.
That's part of the reason why the PBA is so boring to watch (at least for me). It's just 1 on 1 ISO's, 2 man pick and rolls and posting up (by midget PFs and C) non stop for 48 minutes. I can't stand to watch it. If the shots actually fell then maybe it could be passed up but the problem is almost no one scores and sets any semblance of plays (save for a few? what do you guys think?). I find myself confused when I see someone wide open and then the team opts to let its "superstar" go 1 on 1 instead. RoS has this supposed "motion" offense but all they do is run around the 3 pt line trying to find open spots. That's great and all except no one sets picks, back picks, screens whatever so no one gets open. No one cuts, no one moves. All they do is stand around and watch the ball carrier until time runs out or Solomon Mercado goes on one of those Jay-Jay Helterbrand exoduses and decides to dribble the ball for 23 seconds before deciding, "Hey time to shoot it! Hope it goes in" or "I'll pass it off to a team mate who's been waiting for my pass for 20 seconds and who will be now pressured to take the shot instead of me! Screw him! At least I didn't take the bad shot!" For me, that's Philippine Basketball in a microcosm.
Your thoughts guys?
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