SBP Long-term national team pool vol. IV

[nardy2]

I think SBP already working on that and I'm sure Sir Nardy can confirm this... and add more infos... the closest thing we have for an Philippine Institute of Sports is the National Basketball Training Center with Coach E ...

I do agree that we should have an Institute of Sports and Sports Academies... the two institutions can help us produce future champions in different field of sports... here in New Zealand, they have both... and now, they (NZ - over 4 million pop.) have more Olympic medals than the Philippines (over 90 million pop.)... the only sports that I'm sure we could beat them are boxing, bowling, and billiard...

donmar, maybe manu_bol failed to read the following developments:

PSC inaugurates sports institute

First posted 03:21:22 (Mla time) December 11, 2008
June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer

MANILA, Philippines—It’s a perfect model resulting from a harmonious partnership between the government and private institutions.

Philippine Sports Commission chair William Ramirez emphasized this key factor behind the creation of the Philippine Sports Institute during the PSI’s inauguration in Pasig City Wednesday.

Ramirez said the commitment the PSI received from telecommunications magnate Manny V. Pangilinan and the P20-million seed money infused by the PSC turned what has been a long-time dream into reality.

Pangilinan, boxing and basketball’s untiring godfather, made a pledge to help run the affairs of the institute, which officials expect to be the main source of elite athletes in the future.

For his support, the PSC board gave the PLDT top honcho the free hand to tap the members of the PSI board of directors.

“It (the PSI) can become a mecca of Philippine sports and a big factor for grassroots development,” said Ramirez during the official unveiling of the institute inside the sprawling PhilSports Complex in Pasig City. “The PSC can now focus on the Olympic training program.”

Pangilinan was designated PSI chair while Ramirez will serve as president and PSC chief at the same time.

Just like any other university, Ramirez said the PSI would eventually offer bachelor degrees apart from masteral and doctorate courses for athletes and coaches with focus on the scientific approach on sports.

But for starters, the PSI will take off with the leadership education of coaches and athletes besides launching a certification program for coaches by April or May next year.

Guest of honor Sen. Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan, a staunch supporter of the PSI, also vowed to help the institution attract investors and lobby for additional funding.

Aside from the regular classrooms, the PSI has a library with P3.9-million worth of books and offices for the school staff. All sports facilities inside the PhilSports Complex, including the dormitories, will also be at the institute’s disposal.

The PSC also plans to place the building and facilities vacated by Brent school under the disposal of the PSI.

The concept of establishing a sports institute began during the time of President Fidel Ramos with then PSC chair Phillip Juico laying the groundwork that Ramirez has now successfully implemented.

“As I’ve said, this (PSI) is not a new idea. Others before us also contributed to this endeavor, it just so happened that we crossed the barrier and executed the plan in our time,” said Ramirez.

Batang Alaska joins QC sister team in semis
The Philippine Star
Updated May 18, 2009 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - Martin Mendoza scored 15 points as Batang Alaska-Quezon City swept its Group B elimination round with a 61-52 victory over Batang San Miguel-Taytay yesterday at the Cuneta Astrodome.

Defending champion Batang Talk N’ Text also emerged topnotcher in Group A by blasting Batang Sta. Lucia-Cainta, 113-42, on Friday.

Although the league allowed Quezon City to field two teams, the rule provides that only one of the two teams will advance to the finals of the 2009 Coca-Cola Batang PBA Summer.

That means the defending champion Texters and the Batang Aces, both coached by Mark Herrera, will face each other in the knockout semifinals scheduled on Friday.

Both Batang Alaska and Batang TNT finished their respective elimination rounds without a loss in four games.

In the other games, Batang Barako Bull-Marikina held off Batang Purefoods-Antipolo, 49-42, and Batang Rain or Shine-San Juan plastered Batang Ginebra-Pasay, 68-33, to stay in contention for a semifinal berth.

Nokia NBTC D-League accomplishes goal
The Philippine Star
May 29, 2009

Although only Smart-Manila won the national championship, all the teams were real winners in the Nokia National Basketball Training Center (NBTC) Developmental League.

It is because the participating players and coaches got the training and played in a competitive environment conducive to upgrading their skills to the next level, whatever were the results.

“We are not the only ones who saw it, but also the players, their coaches and the parents themselves gave us positive feedback,”said NBTC director Alex Compton , who added that the first Nokia NBTC D-League benefited 29 teams with 18 players each.

“Not only did they get to train individual skills, but they were also able to compete against the best of the best in their city, region and nation,”he explained.”And the best thing of all is that it was for free, which never happened before.”

Ateneo de Cagayan athletics director and Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP) regional director Gerry Sabal, who helps in handling teams like the Misamis Oriental (MisOr) and Iligan, said that the confidence in the players was noticeable.

“We can really see the improvements in the players following the singular training approach by coach Eric (Altamirano) and coach Alex (Compton). The coaches also benefited from the training,”said Sabal.

Although only around 400 players competed in the tournaments, the coaches will be able to pass on what they have learned to other players under their jurisdictions in schools, barangays, towns and cities.

“This has always been the aim of the Nokia NBTC D-League from the very start. Although there’s always a winner at the end of each tournament, all other teams share the glory in improving their players and coaches’ skill level,”Altamirano, also RP Nokia U16 coach, said.

The Nokia NBTC D-League was also a testament of how the government and the private sector can work together in sports. Although the funding largely came from Nokia Philippines and TAO Corporation with direction from SBP leaders like president Manny Pangilinan and executive director Noli Eala, other teams did their share.

This is a league that grouped together the likes of Senator Richard Gordon and local government units (LGUs) with commercial sponsors like Daisy Condensada, Santos Petroleum, Smart, B-MEG Experts of San Miguel Corporation , Quezon Power Limited and Health Solutions.

“The Nokia NBTC D-League is proof that the local government units and the commercial sponsors can work for the betterment of basketball,”Altamirano concluded

 

[manu_bol2]

This could be a good reason why there aren't any great Ateneo players. Sadly Racela is still the best player from Ateneo.

Most of the players want something to fall back on. I think the only other education they must learn aside from basketball is something that teaches them how to manage their money and start a business.

sadly, most of us unlucky ones have only one profession and nothing to fall back to.

oh, there are double degree holders out there. but then again, they take their second course after completing the first one.

 

[manu_bol2]

^^^

yeah, nardy, i've heard of that..

but what i really mean is more like a basketball academy so that all who chooses basketball as a career will go there.

at present, the nbtc will still compete with the local universities and college for the services of those players? correct me if i'm wrong...

im thinking of a PMA-like recruitment for our high school graduates who have the talent and willingness to play basketball as a career.

 

[KevinDurant2]

^^

I think that's impossible. What if the player suffers a career ending injury? He must always have a fallback.

 

[nardy2]

if you wanna play basketball for a living, then learn and focus only on basketball...

you can't be learning economics or nursing while seriously playing basketball at the same time.

as i've said, being a pba player is a profession the same way that being a doctor is a profession

if you really want to do both, then do it one after the other.

ricky rubio, pau gasol, manu ginobili, yao ming, and other great non-american players did not go to college just to play basketball

heck, even LJ and KB24 never made it to college.

The problem is there is no job security to our PBA Professional Players, a lot of players who ultimately make it to the big league just get short contracts and they get replaced the following year by incoming younger players or new filipino-foreign players. With only a few number of teams in the PBA, PBL and Liga Pilipinas there are many players who are left with no basketball career to talk of and since a good number of them neglected their schooling they are lost souls who does not know where and how they would earn a living for their family.

If you reach the PBA there is a possibility to get a maximum contract of 350 thousand pesos per month but not everybody get's that contract. But one has to endure a big sacrifice first in the minor leagues, in the PBL the maximum a player get's is a mere 50 thousand a month contract while the Liga Pilipinas max contract is only 20 thousand per month. Then a number of players who are not good enough to last in the PBA but are too old for the PBA just swallow their pride and accept the roles of regular PBA practice players and get a max of 10 thousand per month pay check.

But still a big number of players who played college ball all over the country who had dreams to reach the PBA does not even get into the PBL and Liga Pilipinas.

What happens to these people who wants to embark in a basketball career if they just concentrated in basketball and is uneducated or did not give their schooling their serious attention.

 

[manu_bol2]

The problem is there is no job security to our PBA Professional Players, a lot of players who ultimately make it to the big league just get short contracts and they get replaced the following year by incoming younger players or new filipino-foreign players. With only a few number of teams in the PBA, PBL and Liga Pilipinas there are many players who are left with no basketball career to talk of and since a good number of them neglected their schooling they are lost souls who does not know where and how they would earn a living for their family.

If you reach the PBA there is a possibility to get a maximum contract of 350 thousand pesos per month but not everybody get's that contract. But one has to endure a big sacrifice first in the minor leagues, in the PBL the maximum a player get's is a mere 50 thousand a month contract while the Liga Pilipinas max contract is only 20 thousand per month. Then a number of players who are not good enough to last in the PBA but are too old for the PBA just swallow their pride and accept the roles of regular PBA practice players and get a max of 10 thousand per month pay check.

But still a big number of players who played college ball all over the country who had dreams to reach the PBA does not even get into the PBL and Liga Pilipinas.

What happens to these people who wants to embark in a basketball career if they just concentrated in basketball and is uneducated or did not give their schooling their serious attention.

my suggestion is somewhat radical, especially with our basketball culture.

but if we really look at it, BASKETBALL IS NOT FOR EVERYONE....

if you don't have what it takes to be a basketball player then don't take it in the first place. if you don't think you'd last long playing basketball, then go back to college and take a second course.

the fact of the matter is we have an oversupply of basketball players. most of these players could have been good doctors, engineers, teachers, etc. if not for the lure of huge salaries in the pros.

Really, only a handful deserves to play professional basketball.

 

[nardy2]

^^^

yeah, nardy, i've heard of that..

but what i really mean is more like a basketball academy so that all who chooses basketball as a career will go there.

at present, the nbtc will still compete with the local universities and college for the services of those players? correct me if i'm wrong...

im thinking of a PMA-like recruitment for our high school graduates who have the talent and willingness to play basketball as a career.

no the NBTC intends to teach the young players the correct way to play basketball and it is to serve as a feeder to different school teams all over the country.

Not many know that a lot of retired professional players all over the world have no savings and had no fall back as unlike the US, the Philippines and a few other countries require its players to have a college degree. In China a number of the lesser known players end-up in odd jobs when their basketball career is over.

Then we must remember unlike other professional careers, a basketball career is now only for a short span period of time. I do not see a lot of players being able continue playing professional basketball like what Sonny Jaworski did.

 

[manu_bol2]

no the NBTC intends to teach the young players the correct way to play basketball and it is to serve as a feeder to different school teams all over the country.

Not many know that a lot of retired professional players all over the world have no savings and had no fall back as unlike the US, the Philippines and a few other countries require its players to have a college degree. In China a number of the lesser known players end-up in odd jobs when their basketball career is over.

Then we must remember unlike other professional careers, a basketball career is now only for a short span period of time. I do not see a lot of players being able continue playing professional basketball like what Sonny Jaworski did.

that's always a risk you'd be willing to take. same for other jobs... there are always risks that could prematurely end you career. this does not only happen to basketball players but to all professionals.

and its not like this 'basketball academy' won't teach other subjects to educate these players of things outside the basketball court. he will be taught how to save money and also go into business. it doesn't take a whole college course to teach business.

it just hypocritical to say that a player majored in a certain field after graduating from college but actually majored in 'basketball'.

 

[RP team2]

I think the PBA should reinstate the 23 yr. old requirement. Just to ease the pressure of a tug of war.

My point exactly. This will not solve the whole problem but it would lessen the problem. The best young players would not think of entering the PBA until theyre 23 yrs old and would have more time to represent the country in international competition. MVP of SBP is compensating the players just fine so it wont be a loss for these players to take part in the national team.

 

[manu_bol2]

^^

I think that's impossible. What if the player suffers a career ending injury? He must always have a fallback.

what if an architect was accidentally injured in a construction site? or a soldier wounded in battle? or a doctor involved in a scandal? it comes with the profession, bro...

 

[nardy2]

my suggestion is somewhat radical, especially with our basketball culture.

but if we really look at it, BASKETBALL IS NOT FOR EVERYONE....

if you don't have what it takes to be a basketball player then don't take it in the first place. if you don't think you'd last long playing basketball, then go back to college and take a second course.

Yes but we know there are really good players out there who even become MVPs in their younger years but seems to be not good enough for the PBA. I know that has been discussed a number of times in different threads and forums.

Then look at this true story which is really sad ..... Nelson Asaytono who we know to have been one of the most exciting players in the PBA. Well since he did not really take his schooling seriously, he had no fall back position. When he was a superstar and had a big contract, he did not save and live a fast life. When he tried business, he did not know anything about it and just let his "girlfriend" manage everything as he does not understand what anything about business. Then he was not the same player that he was before and did not get anymore offers from the PBA teams, he was left by his "girlfried" with no more business, no more savings or property to speak of. Since he knows nothing but only to play basketball, so upto today at an advanced age, Nelson is forced to play even in barangay leagues, inter-colors or even fiestas so that he can pay his day-by-day cost of living. Nelson is now living in a squatters area in Angeles City at a miserable state. Then some of his former teammates and co-players would avoid him since they could no longer stand seeing him beg for money.

And he is not an isolated case .... some TV programs had actually shown the lives of Teddy Alfarero, Alex Clarino, Botchok delos Santos and Danny Phribdas. They are just a few out of a large number of players who were not so lucky when their basketball career was over.

 

[RP team2]

i dont think the gate attendance will suffer as long as PBA does not raise fan's expectations too much. the problem is that the PBA's marketing arm hyped up the past PBA national teams by giving all these dramatic or glorious descriptions and hype such as "centennial team" or "the road to redemption" and then all these posings in billboards and posters by the players like the NBA dream team. Give me a break. I suggest the PBA just be matter of fact and low key that way the fan's expectations and bubble is not burst and they will not get mad if the PBA national team loses in fiba tournament. this is really just common sense.

You can't blame them for doing that because PBA is a commercial league and it will always commercialize its products and services including the national team when the national is made up of PBA players.

That's one problem of basketball here in the philippines. Its too commercialized. Although it also has its benefits.

 

[manu_bol2]

Yes but we know there are really good players out there who even become MVPs in their younger years but seems to be not good enough for the PBA. I know that has been discussed a number of times in different threads and forums.

Then look at this true story which is really sad ..... Nelson Asaytono who we know to have been one of the most exciting players in the PBA. Well since he did not really take his schooling seriously, he had no fall back position. When he was a superstar and had a big contract, he did not save and live a fast life. When he tried business, he did not know anything about it and just let his "girlfriend" manage everything as he does not understand what anything about business. Then he was not the same player that he was before and did not get anymore offers from the PBA teams, he was left by his "girlfried" with no more business, no more savings or property to speak of. Since he knows nothing but only to play basketball, so upto today at an advanced age, Nelson is forced to play even in barangay leagues, inter-colors or even fiestas so that he can pay his day-by-day cost of living. Nelson is now living in a squatters area in Angeles City at a miserable state. Then some of his former teammates and co-players would avoid him since they could no longer stand seeing him beg for money.

And he is not an isolated case .... some TV programs had actually shown the lives of Teddy Alfarero, Alex Clarino, Botchok delos Santos and Danny Phribdas. They are just a few out of a large number of players who were not so lucky when their basketball career was over.

was nelson from UM? didn't he finish his course?

all the more reason that basketball and an acad major should be taken separately. you will certainly lose focus on one of them.

and saving money is a personal choice. the same with nelson trusting his girlfriend too much. just because i may not have a college degree doesn't mean i won't know how to save and spend my money.

 

[RP team2]

One way the SBP can go around this rule is to make our junior NT play in the PBL just like the 2008 RP u18 team under Pumaren. Better yet, make the junior training pool a permanent "guest" team in the PBL whether they're preparing for a tournament or not.

That's a good way of preparing the national youth team but for me it would be better if the PBL and maybe the PBA could impose a rule where every team should have 1 to 2 junior players in its line up. La liga Filipinas has this rule but im not sure if the teams are applying it.

China national team usually have 1 to 2 junior players in its line up. This is to make the players turn over faster and more efficient. That's one reason why they keep on producing world caliber athletes so fast and this is not just in basketball.

Remember Ma Jian used to be known as the best Chinese basketball player. He opened the US basketball doors to chinese players. He was drafted in the NBA (if im not mistaken) but never got to play there. Few years after it was Wang Zhi Zhi and he did play a couple of games in Dallas. Then its Yao ming's turn. We all know how well he did then Lian Jian and the reserev guard player in LA lakers came along. Theres a couple of them now playing in US NCAA.

I wish Japeth would be like Ma jian. In the sense that after him a lot more full blooded filipinos gets to play in US NCAA div 1,2,3 but hopefully div 1.

 

[nardy2]

was nelson from UM? didn't he finish his course?

all the more reason that basketball and an acad major should be taken separately. you will certainly lose focus on one of them.

and saving money is a personal choice. the same with nelson trusting his girlfriend too much. just because i may not have a college degree doesn't mean i won't know how to save and spend my money.

nope Nelson did not finish his schooling as he gave more importance to basketball like a lot of our pro basketball players. A big number of our student players that gone playing in the different commercial leagues were unable to graduate from college.

A player like Chris Tiu is really a rarity.

But you know I like your idea of a Basketball Academy if our PBA has more playing slots available and the teams are really financially stable. That would work if the PBA can really provide job security but the current situation makes your idea impractical at present time. Maybe in the future if the PBA becomes like the NBA or to some degree like the rich European Leagues that would be great.

 

[DRRC2]

Not everyone who plays in college can get to the pros and once in the pros because of limited teams the tenure can be short as short as one year
As I tell my patients if they are really good players
Bball is a way to get a college education, after getting the education and still you are that good then go play in the pros
A good college education is not cheap and is very difficult to get into a good one
These kids playing for college teams should make sure they have a good education for the future. Not all players can be like Jawo and Patrimonio.
The importance of education should be taught by the coach and his staff. The players should learn basketball and more when they play for the school

The problem is there is no job security to our PBA Professional Players, a lot of players who ultimately make it to the big league just get short contracts and they get replaced the following year by incoming younger players or new filipino-foreign players. With only a few number of teams in the PBA, PBL and Liga Pilipinas there are many players who are left with no basketball career to talk of and since a good number of them neglected their schooling they are lost souls who does not know where and how they would earn a living for their family.

If you reach the PBA there is a possibility to get a maximum contract of 350 thousand pesos per month but not everybody get's that contract. But one has to endure a big sacrifice first in the minor leagues, in the PBL the maximum a player get's is a mere 50 thousand a month contract while the Liga Pilipinas max contract is only 20 thousand per month. Then a number of players who are not good enough to last in the PBA but are too old for the PBA just swallow their pride and accept the roles of regular PBA practice players and get a max of 10 thousand per month pay check.

But still a big number of players who played college ball all over the country who had dreams to reach the PBA does not even get into the PBL and Liga Pilipinas.

What happens to these people who wants to embark in a basketball career if they just concentrated in basketball and is uneducated or did not give their schooling their serious attention.

 

[manu_bol2]

nope Nelson did not finish his schooling as he gave more importance to basketball like a lot of our pro basketball players. A big number of our players that gone playing in the different commercial leagues were unable to graduate from college.

A player like Chris Tiu is really a rarity.

yeah, our present college players should take advantage of this privilege.

the big question is would these college graduates be competent enough in their fall back professions? they have no experience and they might not have learned much in school anyway.

which makes a person like chris tiu even rarer, because he excels in all his endeavors.

makes me wonder, what if chris tiu focused all on basketball? he would become a greater, much better basketball player

 

[donmar2]

The problem with having this within our schools is that the school will have "ownership" of their students

The Sports Institutes and Academies should be independent from any high schools, colleges or universities... and athletes starts from high school... so if a young man interested to have a career in sports then they can enrol themselves to either the institute or the academy... unlike normal high schools, these institutions usually offers all about the sport of their choice plus basic subjects (that really matters in general) for academics such as Physical Education, English, Maths and Science... so they don't normally get all the other subjects such as Social Studies, Fine Arts, Technology and Home Economics, Music, etc... Normally, students will spend most of their day, keeping fit and mastering the art of the sports of their choice..

By the way, sports institutes and academies are for all or selected sports disicipline... in the Philippines, basketball and boxing can have their own separate institutes and academies since both are quite popular in the country and surely, they'll get more people than the other sports... Soccer also might get a separate one since FIFA, unlike FIBA, are very active in organizing football academies in poor countries, and even encouraging football superstars such as David Beckham to start their own academies...

Athletes can also trained themselves in multiple sports discipline while studying in those institutions.. some athletes here in NZ, played two sports professionally and consistently play for the national teams, though not at the same time, and some even have distinguish careers in multiple discipline...

I like what PBA is doing... players should have a degree before they can be eligible to enter the league...

 

[sharky2]

That's a good way of preparing the national youth team but for me it would be better if the PBL and maybe the PBA could impose a rule where every team should have 1 to 2 junior players in its line up. La liga Filipinas has this rule but im not sure if the teams are applying it.

China national team usually have 1 to 2 junior players in its line up. This is to make the players turn over faster and more efficient. That's one reason why they keep on producing world caliber athletes so fast and this is not just in basketball.

Remember Ma Jian used to be known as the best Chinese basketball player. He opened the US basketball doors to chinese players. He was drafted in the NBA (if im not mistaken) but never got to play there. Few years after it was Wang Zhi Zhi and he did play a couple of games in Dallas. Then its Yao ming's turn. We all know how well he did then Lian Jian and the reserev guard player in LA lakers came along. Theres a couple of them now playing in US NCAA.

I wish Japeth would be like Ma jian. In the sense that after him a lot more full blooded filipinos gets to play in US NCAA div 1,2,3 but hopefully div 1.

yeah that's a very good idea... open PBA or PBL to HS players or 16+ yr old players.. maybe we can develop a LBJ, Ricky Rubio, Dwight, Rashard,Kobe, Bynum, Amare etc.

you can just include in there contracts that while playing they should be enrolled in college too. and take a minimum of ??#of units/sem.

 

[PUGOtipm2]

^^^

yeah, nardy, i've heard of that..

but what i really mean is more like a basketball academy so that all who chooses basketball as a career will go there.

at present, the nbtc will still compete with the local universities and college for the services of those players? correct me if i'm wrong...

im thinking of a PMA-like recruitment for our high school graduates who have the talent and willingness to play basketball as a career.

I don't think this will be inviting to the family or even the girlfriends of potential players. I'm about to a PMAer fresh from graduating High school back in 2000 but all of the people close to me wont allow me to... now I've finish 2 courses in college, 1 is a technical course and a Bachelors degree. But still I will pursue my military career.