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SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XIX)

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Calvin to the NT is a disaster! :)

what I fear most is if Calvin gets pissed .... he is a player who likes to trash talk and play physically rough but does not like to be trash-talked at and played physically rough. If his opponent is getting the upper hand and Abueva is getting frustrated with it, he'll most probably resort to doing crazy things which does not belong in the basketball court. Such actions could possibly trigger a free-for-all internationally.
 
what I fear most is if Calvin gets pissed .... he is a player who likes to trash talk and play physically rough but does not like to be trash-talked at and played physically rough. If his opponent is getting the upper hand and Abueva is getting frustrated with it, he'll most probably resort to doing crazy things which does not belong in the basketball court. Such actions could possibly trigger a free-for-all internationally.

You've convinced me now Nards... Abueva to ROS! Under Yeng! That would be a siight to see!
 
You've convinced me now Nards... Abueva to ROS! Under Yeng! That would be a siight to see!

It would also be good to see the opposite. Abueva against Yeng's boys.
But Abueva under Yeng Guiao it is. lolers.

I wanna see Ogie Menor and Abueva do their thing to each other.
 
It would also be good to see the opposite. Abueva against Yeng's boys.
But Abueva under Yeng Guiao it is. lolers.

I wanna see Ogie Menor and Abueva do their thing to each other.

Wow a Menor vs Abueva altercation could result into something like a Ice Hockey Fight! It would not be like the scripted WWE fights we see on TV.

But so sorry as this two players became close when they were team mates at NLEX which also is the case with the other Bedans Taganas, Marcelo, Lanete, Hermida and Jake Pascual who bonded well with the San Sebastian Pinatubo Trio.
 
Mercado and David can now start joining Smart Gilas practice sesscions in preparation for the Jones Cup.
 
ehem, maybe they knew about the impending naturalization of Bonehead aka Pierre(?) and they'd rather see him in out NT(money wise)

I was talking about Abueva. But I think you should not call the guy who's willing to help us in our basketball like that.
 
When will Gilas-2 resume their practice after the RP-SEABA team taking a brief rest? I think 10 to 14 days of rest would be enough for the RP-SEABA players before they hit the basketball court once again. W/ Garry Daivid, Jayvee Casio now available, and Sol Mercado's Meralco team out of the running in the current PBA 3rd conference semis, Gilas-2 pool now has more players as it's disposal(counting the non-PBA players of the RP-SEABA team like Marcus Douthit, Chris Tiu, Garvo Lanete, Aldrich Ramos, & Dave Marcelo). The 2012 Jones Cup w/c will be the next tournament for Gilas-2 after the SEABA, is about a month away so it's better that our team gets started as soon as possible.
 
When will Gilas-2 resume their practice after the RP-SEABA team taking a brief rest? I think 10 to 14 days of rest would be enough for the RP-SEABA players before they hit the basketball court once again. W/ Garry Daivid, Jayvee Casio now available, and Sol Mercado's Meralco team out of the running in the current PBA 3rd conference semis, Gilas-2 pool now has more players as it's disposal(counting the non-PBA players of the RP-SEABA team like Marcus Douthit, Chris Tiu, Garvo Lanete, Aldrich Ramos, & Dave Marcelo). The 2012 Jones Cup w/c will be the next tournament for Gilas-2 after the SEABA, is about a month away so it's better that our team gets started as soon as possible.

Am i crazy if i say i want papa rey in the gilas 2 pool?hehe a 6'3 swing who is athletic and has a high bball iq...he just needs to work on his outside shot and strength.
 
When will Gilas-2 resume their practice after the RP-SEABA team taking a brief rest? I think 10 to 14 days of rest would be enough for the RP-SEABA players before they hit the basketball court once again. W/ Garry Daivid, Jayvee Casio now available, and Sol Mercado's Meralco team out of the running in the current PBA 3rd conference semis, Gilas-2 pool now has more players as it's disposal(counting the non-PBA players of the RP-SEABA team like Marcus Douthit, Chris Tiu, Garvo Lanete, Aldrich Ramos, & Dave Marcelo). The 2012 Jones Cup w/c will be the next tournament for Gilas-2 after the SEABA, is about a month away so it's better that our team gets started as soon as possible.

who said they are not practicing .... from what was revealed a month ago, the pool particularly the PBA players regularly practice every Monday at Ultra. However at this time not everybody is always present and some does not join scrimmages and just join the huddle or do some shot-arounds.

Do you think should every move be announced all the time.

as mentioned by Coach Chot Reyes, the SEABA Select team is not the Cadet team of Gilas 2.0 so its not really part of the program but a mere stop-gap team which is needed as a filler since the players in the Gilas 2.0 are not yet ready to play as a team.
 
Mercado and David can now start joining Smart Gilas practice sesscions in preparation for the Jones Cup.

BTW is Sol mercado's papers in order, i know he played in the Asian games but that is no guarantee, just look what happened to Lassiter in Wuhan, A lot of people have suggested names like Cortez ,Washington,etc, but the reality there is no assurance that any of those fil-foreigners however long they've played in the PBA are even eligible with Hagop's strict implementation of rules
 
BTW is Sol mercado's papers in order, i know he played in the Asian games but that is no guarantee, just look what happened to Lassiter in Wuhan, A lot of people have suggested names like Cortez ,Washington,etc, but the reality there is no assurance that any of those fil-foreigners however long they've played in the PBA are even eligible with Hagop's strict implementation of rules

Washington wouldn't have problems because he was born in Zambales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Washington It's like having another Kelly Williams on the team that could play power forward full time specially now that Chot is not keen on getting Japeth in the team. Not unless there would be any other technicalities involved though but I'm pretty sure he'll have better chances than Mercado,Banchero or whoever.Guys like Lutz,Lassiter and Washington should be a no brainer the only problem is they are playing for the rival corporation.

Calvin to the NT is a disaster! :)

Just like what I've said..the guy is PBA ready but I think there is a lot more small forwards out there that could do a better job internationally.I think he's too short to play defense against the Ngombos and the Bahramis of the other teams..well that's my two cents.
 
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BTW is Sol mercado's papers in order, i know he played in the Asian games but that is no guarantee, just look what happened to Lassiter in Wuhan, A lot of people have suggested names like Cortez ,Washington,etc, but the reality there is no assurance that any of those fil-foreigners however long they've played in the PBA are even eligible with Hagop's strict implementation of rules

I am getting pissed-off already with questions which keeps on being repeated again. Why can't some people just do some back-reading which we "seniors" were asked to do way back when we were just mere "newbies".

Time and time again same questions regarding same players or same situations keeps on popping-up when said query has been answered many times already and actually had long discussions between so many forumers here.

Ok let me answer this question again, ALL THE FIL-FOREIGNERS (INCLUDING MERCADO) THAT HAD ALREADY SUITED-UP FOR THE NATIONAL TEAM IN INTERNATIONAL COMPETITIONS BEFORE THE TIME THE ELIGIBILITY OF LUTZ AND LASSITER WERE QUESTIONED AT THE 2011 WUHAN FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP HAVE ALL BEEN CLEARED BECAUSE AMONG THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS ASKED BY FIBA WORLD TO SUBMIT WERE THE LIST OF LINE-UPS OF ALL THE NATIONAL TEAMS (MENS, WOMENS, U18 BOYS, U18 GIRLS, U16 BOYS AND U16 GIRLS) THAT WE SENT PREVIOUSLY TO THE OLYMPICS, YOUTH OLYMPICS, FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS, ASIAN GAMES, SEABA CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE SOUTH EAST ASIAN GAMES. FIBA WORLD HAS DECIDED ALL THOSE PLAYERS ELIGIBILITY SHOULD NO LONGER BE QUESTIONED AT PRESENT AND IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IN THOSE TOURNAMENTS, THEIR STATUS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN SCREENED THOROUGHLY DURING THE RESPECTIVE MANAGERS MEETINGS. DO NOTE IN THOSE LISTS ARE STATED BESIDE THE NAME OF EACH PLAYER IS THEIR RESPECTIVE PHILIPPINE PASSPORT NOS. AND OTHER DETAILS.

THAT IS WHY ELIGIBILITY OF PLAYERS LIKE ASI TAULAVA WHO WERE LINKED IN THE FIL-SHAM SCANDAL AND WERE ACTUALLY DEPORTED BY THE GOVERNMENT COULD NO LONGER BE QUESTIONED.

WHAT WE GOT WAS REALLY A SWEEPING APPROVAL FROM FIBA WORLD AFTER WE SUBMITTED ALL THE DOCUMENTS THEY WERE ASKING FOR AT THAT TIME.

That is why Hagop was furious, aside from being berated by Baumann on MVP's cellphone, his authority was really stepped-on that time.

Now on Hodge and Ellis, even though they suited-up in the latest 2011 SEA Games, it happened after Wuhan and their papers were not reviewed by officials from neither FIBA-ASIA nor FIBA World but by only officials from the participating teams/countries. There is really no official verdict that Ellis and Hodge are ineligible but the SBP decided to be cautious and not take a risks. Better do it in the correct manner and at the right process. But we are not surrendering our stand that our interpretation of the eligibility rules are correct however we'll reiterate it again on the right time and not push the matter hap-hazzardly. We believe Diplomacy is the right way to do it.

As we usually say it, "hindi pwedeng palagi na lang Pasko" as we do know we stepped on somebody's toes. At least Hagop was candid enough to send a clear message to us which if you say it in Filipino it'll be "Di nyo ako maiisahan ulit" while he still maintains his stand that Overseas-born National Players who are not Naturalized should have chosen to get his Citizenship before the age of 16.

I want to add that aside from Hagop, in the eyes of the other Asian Countries, we did not follow the process and that we were biasedly favored by a Foreign Power (FIBA World run by Europeans) that's outside FIBA-Asia.
 
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You can keep on barking all you want .... its a done deal. the game is to be played in a few days and that's what you get.

As DT said ..... in this kind of games you come to see the NBA Legends play and not the opposition. Plus usually in such games there's a lot of don'ts if you do not know that, a lot of caution is asked as per the contract so that to avoid the visitors getting injured or something. As they say this is just a EXHIBITION GAME. If its a practice game or a home-and-away game then expect it to be competitive but if its a Exhibition, what do you expect. Its more about ENTERTAINMENT than COMPETITION. But its a good money-generating venture similar to a '80s band who could no longer dance that they used to and sometimes off-key while singing but still have a standing-room box-office concert.

If you want to showcase it to Hagop then he should be here ..... I am going to bet with you that Hagop would be more impressed if he sees a Ateneo vs La Salle game at MOA than seeing this game showcasing NBA Retirees.

majority of the Gilas 2.0 players right now are not starved for more games but wants more to get the rest or a vacation after 3 hard-fought conferences. Thats why a lot of players would rather get fined by Commissioner Chito Salud than participate during the Allstar weekend.

Just thought that a much better marketing ploy is that the NBA Legends be playing vs a all star team made-up primarily the alumni of Ginebra all these years and of course coached by Jaworski himself. Then the PBA will hype it up to encourage past and present Ginebra fans to come.

Maybe this time we can finally see the Big J and his son Dudot play alongside each other on court. hahaha!



That would be a blast.
 
I am getting pissed-off already with questions which keeps on being repeated again. Why can't some people just do some back-reading which we "seniors" were asked to do way back when we were just mere "newbies".

Tell me about it!

My gout and rheumatoid arthritis started flaring up when I saw this crazy-lazy comment from this frequent-posting dude whose name translates loosely to "Did my homework and research".

Hah! Nothing can be farther from the truth.

I say IBN should have a three-strikes law against folks too lazy to backread (or too challenged to comprehend) oft-answered questions.

To use a hockey term, put them in the penalty box. Or at least change their name to "penalyzed". (wrong spelling intended :o)
 
""ALL THE FIL-FOREIGNERS (INCLUDING MERCADO) THAT HAD ALREADY SUITED-UP FOR THE NATIONAL TEAM IN INTERNATIONAL COMPETITIONS BEFORE THE TIME THE ELIGIBILITY OF LUTZ AND LASSITER WERE QUESTIONED AT THE 2011 WUHAN FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP HAVE ALL BEEN CLEARED BECAUSE AMONG THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS ASKED BY FIBA WORLD TO SUBMIT WERE THE LIST OF LINE-UPS OF ALL THE NATIONAL TEAMS (MENS, WOMENS, U18 BOYS, U18 GIRLS, U16 BOYS AND U16 GIRLS) THAT WE SENT PREVIOUSLY TO DTHE OLYMPICS, YOUTH OLYMPICS, FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS, ASIAN GAMES, SEABA CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE SOUTH EAST ASIAN GAMES. FIBA WORL ""

Based on what you stated the Fil-foreigners who are eligible are those who only played in the FIBA tournaments before Wuhan that you mentioned.
As such Ellis and Hodge playing in the SEA games after Wuhan are not included, not included as well is any tournament (e.g. Jones cup) not in the list mentioned such as the ones Cortez or maybe Reevis played in while the Philippines was still suspended (2005 to 2007) . Washington birth place supposedly Zambales is irrelevant not unless he declared his citizenship then or before 16. He hasn't also played in any of the tournaments mentioned as far as I know. I'm curious to know if this player list (all the players who played in these torunaments) was provided before Wuhan or in Wuhan? Cause if it was before Wuhan then should'nt Lassiter's name be on it? having played in the Asian games in 2010. And if so why was he still questioned in Wuhan?
 
to him he is happy what is now ..... he earns a lot while under the guidance of Bong Pineda and his family. that's why he opted to rather play with pay in barangay and fiesta leagues instead of playing for a meager allowance for SINAG PILIPINAS.

The Pinoy Iverson, eh?
 
""ALL THE FIL-FOREIGNERS (INCLUDING MERCADO) THAT HAD ALREADY SUITED-UP FOR THE NATIONAL TEAM IN INTERNATIONAL COMPETITIONS BEFORE THE TIME THE ELIGIBILITY OF LUTZ AND LASSITER WERE QUESTIONED AT THE 2011 WUHAN FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP HAVE ALL BEEN CLEARED BECAUSE AMONG THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS ASKED BY FIBA WORLD TO SUBMIT WERE THE LIST OF LINE-UPS OF ALL THE NATIONAL TEAMS (MENS, WOMENS, U18 BOYS, U18 GIRLS, U16 BOYS AND U16 GIRLS) THAT WE SENT PREVIOUSLY TO DTHE OLYMPICS, YOUTH OLYMPICS, FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS, ASIAN GAMES, SEABA CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE SOUTH EAST ASIAN GAMES. FIBA WORL ""

Based on what you stated the Fil-foreigners who are eligible are those who only played in the FIBA tournaments before Wuhan that you mentioned.
As such Ellis and Hodge playing in the SEA games after Wuhan are not included, not included as well is any tournament (e.g. Jones cup) not in the list mentioned such as the ones Cortez or maybe Reevis played in while the Philippines was still suspended (2005 to 2007) . Washington birth place supposedly Zambales is irrelevant not unless he declared his citizenship then or before 16. He hasn't also played in any of the tournaments mentioned as far as I know. I'm curious to know if this player list (all the players who played in these torunaments) was provided before Wuhan or in Wuhan? Cause if it was before Wuhan then should'nt Lassiter's name be on it? having played in the Asian games in 2010. And if so why was he still questioned in Wuhan?

If you don't believe then so be it, that's what the FIBA-ASIA Officials told us at the SBP.

I already enumerated the tournaments which FIBA World asked us to submit. Jones Cup is not included as we are only talking about Tournaments specifically for National Teams only.

I do not know if you understand that the players Hagop is questioning are those players who were born overseas, so that excludes Washington who was born and and stayed here in the Philippines upto 10 years old. That is also the case with regards to Cariaso, Alapag, Cabagnot, etc. who as per FIBA-Asia are considered as natural-born since their birth certificates show they were born in the Philippines and currently they hold valid Philippine Passports.

We provided the list before and again during Wuhan but at that time we gave copies directly to Baumann, Stankovic, Cohen of Legal Affairs and Toteva of Sports & Eligibility.

We again have to give copies to FIBA World as proof that said players had already been screened and was allowed to play so that FIBA-Asia could no longer deny the fact. FIBA-Asia was really bent on not allowing Lutz and Lassiter to play even if Baumann already issued an email instruction, so with said documents FIBA World told FIBA-Asia why are you not allowing said players to play on this tournament when you allowed them before. As I said in an earlier post, we are just collateral damage as Hagop has a more important agenda in mind.

Do we need to explain and post all the details here ......

I have shared more than the allowed info that I should reveal.

Why can't you understand what happened is not really about the rules but is about politics. And do not compare FIBA-Oceania or other Zones to FIBA-Asia as its really different over here.

We at SBP had learned to accept it and we are now moving on to do what is needed to be done.

Hey Thoots, maybe you can help me out explain to your friend here what really is and what really at.
 
Mr. Hagop Khajirian, the FIBA-Asia Secreatary General had already written back regarding our invitation for him to inspect the MOA Arena powered by PLDT, he said he could be free to come over come late August this year.

As in the FIBA-Asia Club Championship, we would need volunteers to help us out if ever we get the hosting of the FIBA-Asia Championship. I'll soon come out with the application forms. The Volunteers would be thoroughly screened and if approved would be reporting to me however some would be assigned special assignments in certain areas. Please remember being hosts, you are representing the Philippines and everybody is expected to act in proper decorum.
 
If you don't believe then so be it, that's what the FIBA-ASIA Officials told us at the SBP.

I already enumerated the tournaments which FIBA World asked us to submit. Jones Cup is not included as we are only talking about Tournaments specifically for National Teams only.

I do not know if you understand that the players Hagop is questioning are those players who were born overseas, so that excludes Washington who was born and and stayed here in the Philippines upto 10 years old. That is also the case with regards to Cariaso, Alapag, Cabagnot, etc. who as per FIBA-Asia are considered as natural-born since their birth certificates show they were born in the Philippines and currently they hold valid Philippine Passports.

We provided the list before and again during Wuhan but at that time we gave copies directly to Baumann, Stankovic, Cohen of Legal Affairs and Toteva of Sports & Eligibility.

We again have to give copies to FIBA World as proof that said players had already been screened and was allowed to play so that FIBA-Asia could no longer deny the fact. FIBA-Asia was really bent on not allowing Lutz and Lassiter to play even if Baumann already issued an email instruction, so with said documents FIBA World told FIBA-Asia why are you not allowing said players to play on this tournament when you allowed them before. As I said in an earlier post, we are just collateral damage as Hagop has a more important agenda in mind.

Do we need to explain and post all the details here ......

I have shared more than the allowed info that I should reveal.

Why can't you understand what happened is not really about the rules but is about politics. And do not compare FIBA-Oceania or other Zones to FIBA-Asia as its really different over here.

We at SBP had learned to accept it and we are now moving on to do what is needed to be done.

Hey Thoots, maybe you can help me out explain to your friend here what really is and what really at.

No don't get me wrong I do get it and understand, I was just a little confused as to why Hagop still questioned Lassiter's eligibility in Wuhan when he was on the list (having played in the Asian games), but as you made it clear this is more of a political issue rather than the technicalities of the rules. As such it's not really a black and white thing, Ellis & Hodge may still or may not be eligible (however risky) , Lassiter and Mercado even while getting the all clearance having played in the Asian games was (at least lasssiter) still questioned in Wuhan
Thanks for clarrifying things, and forgive me for all the questions on details , to try to understand what really transpired. Bottom line this is really not about rules but Hagop had an agenda and has become more of a political thing, and as such it's not really black or white thing of who is elgible and not, some are just at risk considering the current political situation.
 
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