Maccabi Electra Tel-Aviv - 2013/2014

[maccabeo2]

nokia arena 24 oct .
naimi landesberg cohen didnt play
they are, altought their talent out from blatt mind. no way
no comment

 

[Idans102]

It was a good effort, although the Red Star isn't exactly a strong team. My only disappointment was how we finished the game, when we let them to reduce the gap from 26 to 11 and at the end we won by 14. Sofo was great, the guys should've look him up much often but then again we had a great night beyond the arch so I can understand them trying more 3PT shots. Shawn James was bad in the first half, although he tried his best at defense but committed 3 fouls. The 2nd half was a different story and finally he manage to came into this season after horrible games so far (also because of his injury. The rest - Great game of Ingles, Blu and Devin, who will probably be our lead players this season along with Sofo/James, but still haven't see anything good from Rice and it seems like Blatt is losing his patience as well with him. Pnini, Tyus (very bad) and Cohen won't be in Blatt rotation very soon in my opinion (Cohen may be loaned out) and Syl should get more minutes yesterday because his form is great recently, but David decided to go with others. For conclusion, it was an important first win but we still have a lot of work and next Friday we have our first tough test of the season - away at Krasnodar vs. Kuban.

 

[goga782]

nokia arena 24 oct .
naimi landesberg cohen didnt play
they are, altought their talent out from blatt mind. no way
no comment

Time after time you show your "knowledge" about basketball. Although I would like have seen Cohen for a couple of minutes (Naimy wasnt on the roster anyway), what's the point to complain? all the guys who filled out positions of these three gave a great game: Ohayon, Rice, Hickman, Ingles, Smith and Blu. No one has failed. Sharp shooting, tough defense, great playmaking. There are only 40 minutes to play and not enough minutes give everyone lots of chances. Landesberg is projected for more minutes but what can you do, if everybody in front of him is playing well? The logical result is for him to sit on the bench. Talented or not, it's not like other players on Maccabi are amateurs.

 

[goga782]

It was a good effort, although the Red Star isn't exactly a strong team. My only disappointment was how we finished the game, when we let them to reduce the gap from 26 to 11 and at the end we won by 14. Sofo was great, the guys should've look him up much often but then again we had a great night beyond the arch so I can understand them trying more 3PT shots. Shawn James was bad in the first half, although he tried his best at defense but committed 3 fouls. The 2nd half was a different story and finally he manage to came into this season after horrible games so far (also because of his injury. The rest - Great game of Ingles, Blu and Devin, who will probably be our lead players this season along with Sofo/James, but still haven't see anything good from Rice and it seems like Blatt is losing his patience as well with him. Pnini, Tyus (very bad) and Cohen won't be in Blatt rotation very soon in my opinion (Cohen may be loaned out) and Syl should get more minutes yesterday because his form is great recently, but David decided to go with others. For conclusion, it was an important first win but we still have a lot of work and next Friday we have our first tough test of the season - away at Krasnodar vs. Kuban.

Rice was very effective with driving and dishing. He still is not comfortable as he is playing with brakes pushed. He can't score like he would like to because Blatt asks him to do other things.
Cohen won't be loaned, unless he wishes to. That'S what his contract mandates by now. Naimy should be loaned. No need for him to sit on the bench. Maccabi has too many players who can bring the ball.
Tyus had to play center in spare minutes and gave up a lot of size against Marjanovic. Not exactly a good measurement for him. Marjanovic looked well against the other two bigs, too. He is not a center but is forced to play this position.

 

[Idans102]

Rice was very effective with driving and dishing. He still is not comfortable as he is playing with brakes pushed. He can't score like he would like to because Blatt asks him to do other things.
Cohen won't be loaned, unless he wishes to. That'S what his contract mandates by now. Naimy should be loaned. No need for him to sit on the bench. Maccabi has too many players who can bring the ball.
Tyus had to play center in spare minutes and gave up a lot of size against Marjanovic. Not exactly a good measurement for him. Marjanovic looked well against the other two bigs, too. He is not a center but is forced to play this position.

Rice shouldn't score, he needs to organize the game before he can think of scoring, because Maccabi (did a huge mistake) brought him to be a PG even though he's not. He's not comfortable and it seems like it's not gonna change and we can see Blatt reduces his minutes from game to game.
Cohen surely will be loaned (unfortunately) and Maccabi management already said that this roster will change. With Tyus and Blu and sometimes Devin at 4, I cannot see where Jake can fit in. Naimy can't be loaned because he is above 26 years old so either Maccabi will keep him or release him. There was a huge fuss over this issue in the last week, when Maccabi tried to loan him to Galil even though the rule forbid it.
As for tyus, I judge according of what I see so far, not just the game yesterday and it seems that Blatt barely gives him minutes. On the other hand, Blatt barely gave Syl toplay last season as well and we can see today how good Syl can be. Tyus is a good player and the first year in Maccabi is always difficult, I hope he'll adapt as soon as possible.

 

[maccabeo2]

Rice shouldn't score, he needs to organize the game before he can think of scoring, because Maccabi (did a huge mistake) brought him to be a PG even though he's not. He's not comfortable and it seems like it's not gonna change and we can see Blatt reduces his minutes from game to game.
Cohen surely will be loaned (unfortunately) and Maccabi management already said that this roster will change. With Tyus and Blu and sometimes Devin at 4, I cannot see where Jake can fit in. Naimy can't be loaned because he is above 26 years old so either Maccabi will keep him or release him. There was a huge fuss over this issue in the last week, when Maccabi tried to loan him to Galil even though the rule forbid it.
As for tyus, I judge according of what I see so far, not just the game yesterday and it seems that Blatt barely gives him minutes. On the other hand, Blatt barely gave Syl toplay last season as well and we can see today how good Syl can be. Tyus is a good player and the first year in Maccabi is always difficult, I hope he'll adapt as soon as possible.

tyus cant adapt to mta, simply because he is a very mediocre player.
having ohayon as 28min per game g, and rice as mediocre as we tought, is a crime to let naimy out of the team. this player is a very good player.he remind me a lot heurtel,but somewhere else coaches consider g, as a player who kinow how to score, penetreting and shooting, except blatt. landesberg, well despite he showed his great skills when play, there s no way, blatt doenst like him as he doesnt like periemetral players. cohen. well with blu he is surely less copnsidered, but since we have tyus well, i'd cut tyus and absolutely will give cohen minutes .

 

[maccabeo2]

Time after time you show your "knowledge" about basketball. Although I would like have seen Cohen for a couple of minutes (Naimy wasnt on the roster anyway), what's the point to complain? all the guys who filled out positions of these three gave a great game: Ohayon, Rice, Hickman, Ingles, Smith and Blu. No one has failed. Sharp shooting, tough defense, great playmaking. There are only 40 minutes to play and not enough minutes give everyone lots of chances. Landesberg is projected for more minutes but what can you do, if everybody in front of him is playing well? The logical result is for him to sit on the bench. Talented or not, it's not like other players on Maccabi are amateurs.

i like a team that play with maximum 7 players. i always considered the more best players stays on court, the more a team is strong and find the best alchjemy. it was one of mta secrets in his history since we never build a deep roster with our good ,bot not top,budget.
said that, we have to say mta is not playing with 7 players. considering minutes by ohayon or rice , considering some hickman restore needed, well landesberg could absolutely have his space, if blatt would believe in him,but he doesnt. again as n 4 i'd play with blu ,as much minutes as he can , but coehn could have his minutes, again ,if blatt would consider him

 

[goga782]

tyus cant adapt to mta, simply because he is a very mediocre player.
having ohayon as 28min per game g, and rice as mediocre as we tought, is a crime to let naimy out of the team. this player is a very good player.he remind me a lot heurtel,but somewhere else coaches consider g, as a player who kinow how to score, penetreting and shooting, except blatt. landesberg, well despite he showed his great skills when play, there s no way, blatt doenst like him as he doesnt like periemetral players. cohen. well with blu he is surely less copnsidered, but since we have tyus well, i'd cut tyus and absolutely will give cohen minutes .

Rice is a basketball god compared to Naimi. You have barely seen each of them play, a maximum of a couple of times each. Rice is the same quality shooter but quicker, more athletic and determined to score more. He could easily give Maccabi 15 ppg but - again - he is asked to do different things. Rice's problem is, he is a typical small team PG. There, he can hold the ball, he can get a ton of shots. Not so in Macccabi. He will need his time and time will tell, if he can adapt. Right now, we all have seen how he is able to create easy scoring opportunities for the centers.
Actually, it is quite obvious, why Rice was signed: HE CAN SCORE and do so in a hurry. I'm still not pleased with this signing. They had enough time to study his game, they had enough chances to ask Halperin about him.

Cohen might be the more interesting player but Tyus has a couple of pluses on his side: he is used to play on that level already AND he can give some minutes at C. Maccabi can't go into the season with just two Cs, considering that can get injured or amass fouls. Against other centers, Tyus can do better but Marjanovic was just too big for him. Tyus is a shotblocker and plays above the rim. Cohen is a shooter. At this stage of Cohen's development, Maccabi probably needs athleticism more as there are enough shooters on the squad.

i like a team that play with maximum 7 players. i always considered the more best players stays on court, the more a team is strong and find the best alchjemy. it was one of mta secrets in his history since we never build a deep roster with our good ,bot not top,budget.
said that, we have to say mta is not playing with 7 players. considering minutes by ohayon or rice , considering some hickman restore needed, well landesberg could absolutely have his space, if blatt would believe in him,but he doesnt. again as n 4 i'd play with blu ,as much minutes as he can , but coehn could have his minutes, again ,if blatt would consider him

No team will go anywhere with a rotation of seven players because the toll for them is too high. Maccabi never used to feature a couple of stars and a very short roster. The roster has always been at least nine players deep. You can look into every season. Just go to www.euroleague.net and go there season by season, at least until 2001-2002.
A week ago, when Smith was struggling beint unfit and Landesberg was playing a lot and doing very well in the Israeli League, he played 17:29 in Vitoria and did well. This time, Smith could play and was the best man on court. Plus Hickman, plus Ingles plus Pnini who was squeezed in for a couple of minutes. Simply not enough playing time for everyone this time, especially considering the great play by Hickman, Smith and Ingles on just two positions. They played their minutes and their defense did it for Maccabi, too. Blake Shilb could never get into the game, for example. In another game, Landesberg will get his minutes. He could truly play more but Maccabi is simply stuck on these positions. If he somehow get an average on 15 mpg in Euroleague for this squad, this will be his maximum.

Finally, i wish every player to see court time. Naimy, Landesberg, Cohen, Tyus and everyone else. It's just not possible in one single game.

 

[goga782]

Rice shouldn't score, he needs to organize the game before he can think of scoring, because Maccabi (did a huge mistake) brought him to be a PG even though he's not. He's not comfortable and it seems like it's not gonna change and we can see Blatt reduces his minutes from game to game.
Cohen surely will be loaned (unfortunately) and Maccabi management already said that this roster will change. With Tyus and Blu and sometimes Devin at 4, I cannot see where Jake can fit in. Naimy can't be loaned because he is above 26 years old so either Maccabi will keep him or release him. There was a huge fuss over this issue in the last week, when Maccabi tried to loan him to Galil even though the rule forbid it.
As for tyus, I judge according of what I see so far, not just the game yesterday and it seems that Blatt barely gives him minutes. On the other hand, Blatt barely gave Syl toplay last season as well and we can see today how good Syl can be. Tyus is a good player and the first year in Maccabi is always difficult, I hope he'll adapt as soon as possible.

Cohen had a deadline in his contract, after which he could not be loaned without his permission. They decided, he should stay and learn on the fly. Even with Blu on the roster. Naimy however should be released. Maccabi has Ohayon, Rice, Ingles and even Hickman, who can bring the ball. A third PG, and Naimy is not that cheap, is a luxury.

Landesberg will get his PT in Israel and will always get his chances in the EL.

Tyus is a tougher case but imho he will adapt. After all, he can play on this level. He is a limited player but he can be a valuable energy booster and a crowd pleaser with his dunks and blocks. But h has to learn to play better position defense. He leaves his man to go for the block. Can't do this. He must get more physical. On offense, high pick'n rolls and alley-oops should be his thing. Offensive rebounding. Nothing else. No plays being created for him.

 

[maccabeo2]

Rice is a basketball god compared to Naimi. You have barely seen each of them play, a maximum of a couple of times each. Rice is the same quality shooter but quicker, more athletic and determined to score more. He could easily give Maccabi 15 ppg but - again - he is asked to do different things. Rice's problem is, he is a typical small team PG. There, he can hold the ball, he can get a ton of shots. Not so in Macccabi. He will need his time and time will tell, if he can adapt. Right now, we all have seen how he is able to create easy scoring opportunities for the centers.
Actually, it is quite obvious, why Rice was signed: HE CAN SCORE and do so in a hurry. I'm still not pleased with this signing. They had enough time to study his game, they had enough chances to ask Halperin about him.

Cohen might be the more interesting player but Tyus has a couple of pluses on his side: he is used to play on that level already AND he can give some minutes at C. Maccabi can't go into the season with just two Cs, considering that can get injured or amass fouls. Against other centers, Tyus can do better but Marjanovic was just too big for him. Tyus is a shotblocker and plays above the rim. Cohen is a shooter. At this stage of Cohen's development, Maccabi probably needs athleticism more as there are enough shooters on the squad.



No team will go anywhere with a rotation of seven players because the toll for them is too high. Maccabi never used to feature a couple of stars and a very short roster. The roster has always been at least nine players deep. You can look into every season. Just go to www.euroleague.net and go there season by season, at least until 2001-2002.
A week ago, when Smith was struggling beint unfit and Landesberg was playing a lot and doing very well in the Israeli League, he played 17:29 in Vitoria and did well. This time, Smith could play and was the best man on court. Plus Hickman, plus Ingles plus Pnini who was squeezed in for a couple of minutes. Simply not enough playing time for everyone this time, especially considering the great play by Hickman, Smith and Ingles on just two positions. They played their minutes and their defense did it for Maccabi, too. Blake Shilb could never get into the game, for example. In another game, Landesberg will get his minutes. He could truly play more but Maccabi is simply stuck on these positions. If he somehow get an average on 15 mpg in Euroleague for this squad, this will be his maximum.

Finally, i wish every player to see court time. Naimy, Landesberg, Cohen, Tyus and everyone else. It's just not possible in one single game.

well rice/naimi. i think naimi is better but even considering they can give almost the same to the team, well naimi is domestic.
tyus/cohen.u are right , we cant play el with just two centers, but the second and the third c should be better. not writing here of sofo, well tyus is absolutely a player who cant play el,so having him or cohen i much prefer cohen. tyus cant give anyehing . against el centers , he is a nothing player. cohen could give more.tyus is not the problem's solution to our third c position.
7 players: obviosuly i didnt meant we play with 7 player, but 7 players are the ones who play much more minutes comparing with others players. historically mta sure had played with 10 players per match,but just 7 played90% of minutes and are really considered active parte of the team. we never builted a deep strong roster because of the budget so we always played really with less (key) players comparing with great teams.
cohen landesberg naimy,shouldnt play sometimes. imo, with a different coach, coehn woudl play instead of tyus, naimi would play instead of ohayon and rice or at least same minutes, and landesberg would play 15 to 25 minutes depending on the match. we are writing of players who sometimes are playing 0 minutes and players like rice ohayon sofo tyus who are playing always.having cska or barca roster ok ,they cant plòay, but with us they should be much more considered since theys talent.

 

[maccabeo2]

tyus is a limited player but he can be a valuable energy booster and a crowd pleaser with his dunks and blocks

wow is this enough for an el center???
just for blatt those are main qualities for a player

 

[goga782]

wow is this enough for an el center???
just for blatt those are main qualities for a player

Absolutely enough to be the third C or third PF. After all, he has shown in Cantu that he can play EL basketball. In 20 mpg he has had 8 ppg, 4 rpg and 1 bpg, while not losing the ball and scoring on 58.6% FG. If someone does that, he can play. You kind of think, Maccabis third C has to be somewhat like Shawn James and the rest should be Hakeem Olajuwon backed up by David Robinson. He is what Maccabi has on the deeper end of the bench. Totally okay, especially considering him to be a domestic player.

 

[goga782]

well rice/naimi. i think naimi is better but even considering they can give almost the same to the team, well naimi is domestic.

Rice has been more or less the best player on any teams he has payed for so far. Naimy is nowhere close to him. Rice has scored 18-19 ppg for a good German playoff team in Artland and was the best scorer in Munich. Naimy was good for Jerusalem but no way the best player and he has limited to be a three-point shooter in Lyubertsy. But he is better. Allright. I wish, he was better. Anyway.
Yes, Naimy is domestic but he is not really a playmaker. He is like Rice and Hickman. No upgrade for Maccabi.

tyus/cohen.u are right , we cant play el with just two centers, but the second and the third c should be better.

As I said: Hakeem and the Admiral. If the first and second center are better, there is no money for the third one. James and Sofo are good enough. The combo of Rice, Blu and Sofo will work well, I believe.

7 players: obviosuly i didnt meant we play with 7 player, but 7 players are the ones who play much more minutes comparing with others players. historically mta sure had played with 10 players per match,but just 7 played90% of minutes and are really considered active parte of the team. we never builted a deep strong roster because of the budget so we always played really with less (key) players comparing with great teams.

In that sense, Maccabi is not playing differently now. If you have five starters who give you 25-30 minutes each, there are like 65 minutes left. If you are playing with seven men in a narrow rotation, 36-40 minutes of those 65 go for those #6 and #7. 25-29 minutes out of 200 (given there are no OTs) left for the rest. So, 85-88% of time played by 7 players. But that doesn't mean, you can have a deeper rotation in the sense that the deeper bench players are unable to play on that level. 8 players are currently logging in about 90% of PT for Maccabi. Absolutely the same thing.

cohen landesberg naimy,shouldnt play sometimes. imo, with a different coach, coehn woudl play instead of tyus, naimi would play instead of ohayon and rice or at least same minutes, and landesberg would play 15 to 25 minutes depending on the match. we are writing of players who sometimes are playing 0 minutes and players like rice ohayon sofo tyus who are playing always.having cska or barca roster ok ,they cant plòay, but with us they should be much more considered since theys talent.

Yes. With a different coach that would play. Eurocup, for example. Or Zielona Gora.

 

[maccabeo2]

same old story with d.smith.
he is surely a player have to stay in this roster because is ok for this mta level, but we should underline again his biggest problem: a very good player in easy match. a normal player in close match. it means he hasnt a great figheter spirit and a strong character
vitoria-mta 9 3/6 1/5 (and we probably lost the macth because he failed an easy basket in transition before heurtel decided the match)
mta-red star 17 4/6 3/4

 

[goga782]

same old story with d.smith.
he is surely a player have to stay in this roster because is ok for this mta level, but we should underline again his biggest problem: a very good player in easy match. a normal player in close match. it means he hasnt a great figheter spirit and a strong character
vitoria-mta 9 3/6 1/5 (and we probably lost the macth because he failed an easy basket in transition before heurtel decided the match)
mta-red star 17 4/6 3/4

As if you don't know that he is injured and played in Vitoria only because the team needed him. They would rest him for another couple of weeks, if the chance was there and the group wouldn't be so tight.

Smith is clearly a top-wing man on that level. When Maccabi was playing do-or-die games in the Top 16 last year, he was the best in his position in the EL. Game for game. On offense and on defense. Then, he simply run out of gas as he was the player with most minutes and most responsibility.

Anyway, this is useless as always with you.

 

[maccabeo2]

As if you don't know that he is injured and played in Vitoria only because the team needed him. They would rest him for another couple of weeks, if the chance was there and the group wouldn't be so tight.

Smith is clearly a top-wing man on that level. When Maccabi was playing do-or-die games in the Top 16 last year, he was the best in his position in the EL. Game for game. On offense and on defense. Then, he simply run out of gas as he was the player with most minutes and most responsibility.

Anyway, this is useless as always with you.

said that surely smith in this average el team is ok and an important players, i'm sorry u dont remember how mediocre usually are his numbers in close or fatal matches obvously with some ecxeptions

 

[goga782]

said that surely smith in this average el team is ok and an important players, i'm sorry u dont remember how mediocre usually are his numbers in close or fatal matches obvously with some ecxeptions

Best EL player of Top 16 in last season in six do-or-die games in a row. Nuff said.

 

[Idans102]

Embarrassing loss yesterday vs. Nes Ziyona. The Israeli league is meanningless to me since they (the league management) decided to cancel a whole season in order to make one championship game, but still Maccabi looks super bad right now with 3 awful games which they lost twice and won one at home in the last seconds. In Europe the situation is not that better as well and I don't see us winning in Krasnodar playing like this. Personally I think that Maccabi has a good team on paper, but when your most important positions is being occupied by two average players who are not fit to lead a EL club to the F4, then this is what happens. Yogi should have been a sub PG this season after his failure last season, but when you pick up a player who is not fit for the PG position but they put him there anyway (Rice), we see the result. With a much better PG like Prago, Planinic', Brown or McCaleb, this team would be in the top 8 and aiming for the F4. Right now this team is worth top 16, nothing more.

 

[maccabeo2]

Embarrassing loss yesterday vs. Nes Ziyona. The Israeli league is meanningless to me since they (the league management) decided to cancel a whole season in order to make one championship game, but still Maccabi looks super bad right now with 3 awful games which they lost twice and won one at home in the last seconds. In Europe the situation is not that better as well and I don't see us winning in Krasnodar playing like this. Personally I think that Maccabi has a good team on paper, but when your most important positions is being occupied by two average players who are not fit to lead a EL club to the F4, then this is what happens. Yogi should have been a sub PG this season after his failure last season, but when you pick up a player who is not fit for the PG position but they put him there anyway (Rice), we see the result. With a much better PG like Prago, Planinic', Brown or McCaleb, this team would be in the top 8 and aiming for the F4. Right now this team is worth top 16, nothing more.

i'm agree altought also ohayon cant play those elvels ,not just rice.anyway an el team cant have a second c like sofo. well ,considering your critic
, u surely arent a mta fan!!

 

[Billy Bounce2]

Ohayon could be a good option of backup PG, the problem is that he's not only starting PG, but the only PG

Rice reminds me McCaleb : quick , athletic and stuff, but undersized and aren't a real threat from behind the arc. Blatt is control freak , so fastbreaks when Rice could be useful are rather rare. So we've got only Rice disadvantages : liability on defense due to size. He can't shoot, so defenders are going under on the screens , killing both cuts to the basket and options for assist.

As for Tyus , I guess he was signed for the sole reason : to be sure MTA opponents in BSL ( Haifa, Jerusalem) won't get a decent bigman with Israeli passport.

Generally speaking I think only Ingles was a good signing for this season.

Ohayon - Hickman - Ingles - Smith - James is "forwards" lineup that Blatt is famous for, as Russian NT head-coach. Everyone in this line-up is a shooting threat => giving spacing. All of them are more or less the same height, allowing defensive switches , without creating miss-matches.

The main problem this season is the same as the season before - a lack of depth.