Gilas in the next PBA conference

[dtfernando2]

Going, going, gone

Going, going, gone

The PBA should take each SG game as real -- not practice -- games. The remaining games may be the only opportunity left for the PBA to win over a still obviously unorganized and mentally unprepared national team. What is more important is that Greg and Junemar start playing for the team. They are not "projects", as some would like to believe. These guys are the keystone, go-to guys for scoring and rebounding of their respective teams. There's no way that they will start below Eman Samigue's much delayed value-delivery for San Miguel. They can strike very hard right at the first game. What is more important is to have them play center and power forward positions immediately so that all the other SG big boys can properly slide down to the smaller forward and big guard positions. Once they are locked in to their main productive roles, the SG can do so serious damage. As I said, next year would be brutal for PBA teams against the national team once the SG surpasses the target minimum assassin mentality, size, athleticism, physicality, quickness and conditioning for international competitive play.

Of course they don't want Giles to play. It will never be easy for PBA teams to absorb losses when they pay for games and referees from their pockets. Sometime in early 2011, when the SG with an essentially complete 15-18 roster and all those international games under their belt, the SBP should have a mini tournament of the SG against the four top PBA teams under international rules, and using non-PBA referees for a Php one million winner-take-all contest. Just to be sure that there will be no Arboledaisms, the SBP will make sure that thugs will lose their playing licenses for years. I am certain that the national team fans will be pleased.

 

[nardy2]

smart gilas will play hard, bearing or no-bearing

how about the pba teams? will their less than 100% effort help the nationals?

I wanna see how Barrios and the PBA board react if ever PBA players just make fun of this games instead of playing seriously ..... do you think they'll do any sanctions or impose monetary penalties

I think Coach Jong said it right but the PBA Board read it incorrectly ..... sigh how I miss that the PBA board was made up of distinguished gentlemen named Floro, Silverio, Elizalde, Gokongwei, Coseteng, Palanca, Ayala, Soriano, Euyang, Concepcion, etc

 

[donmar2]

Why are people making excuses that Smart Gilas' games in the PBA are "no-bearing games?" Bearing or no-bearing, Smart Gilas needs to win to boost their confidence and to gain respect from the basketball community. Do you think Coach Toroman considers these games as "no-bearing?" I don't think so.

Smart Gilas is trying hard to win. To consider these games as "no-bearing" is ridiculous; give credit to the players and staff of Smart Gilas who are working hard to win. Just because a game is "no-bearing" doesn't mean that players will just player lackadaisically or make "experiments." Nobody loves to lose.

If we maintain such an attitude we will never succeed in international basketball. Our National Team should approach each and every game with seriousness and a sense of purpose. To consider some games as "no-bearing" only fosters bad habits that will kill this team in important international tournaments.

Just my 2.5 cents.

Thats not the issue... the issue is does PBA teams will play their heart out against Smart Gilas knowing that the games against the national team are "no bearing" games?...

I'm sure PBA coaches would rather save their star players for the game that count not because they don't care about the national team but simply because the game against SG doesn't count... why risk your star players playing in "no bearing" games (and then get injured) when you can just sit them out for that game and save them for the game that really count...

The question is how would PBA players would play SG now that the games against SG are "no bearing"? ... not how SG will play... everyone knows why SG is in that bulok league...

 

[loyski2]

Thats not the issue... the issue is does PBA teams will play their heart out against Smart Gilas knowing that the games against the national team are "no bearing" games?...

I'm sure PBA coaches would rather save their star players for the game that count not because they don't care about the national team but simply because the game against SG doesn't count... why risk your star players playing in "no bearing" games (and then get injured) when you can just sit them out for that game and save them for the game that really count...

The question is how would PBA players would play SG now that the games against SG are "no bearing"? ... not how SG will play... everyone knows why SG is in that bulok league...

Dude, the games of PBA teams against SG have a bearing on their standings. Since the competition is fierce among the PBA teams, one win can spell the difference between an automatic playoff berth and being eliminated. There's no reason for PBA teams to play halfheartedly knowing their win-loss records are very important. If there's a team that has every reason to play halfheartedly, it's SG because as some people say, these are "no bearing games." But knowing Coach Toroman, he will never allow SG to treat these games as "no bearing" games.

However, some people here are making "excuses" for SG's losses saying that these are no-bearing games and that Toroman is not using the right plays, making experiments, blah blah blah. Give credit to the SG players who are working hard to win.

 

[loyski2]

Well if the PBA decides to treat the remaining games of SG as no-bearing for the PBA teams then it's a bad idea. It's better to stop the SG's participation in the current PBA conference.

 

[nardy2]

Dude, the games of PBA teams against SG have a bearing on their standings. Since the competition is fierce among the PBA teams, one win can spell the difference between an automatic playoff berth and being eliminated. There's no reason for PBA teams to play halfheartedly knowing their win-loss records are very important. If there's a team that has every reason to play halfheartedly, it's SG because as some people say, these are "no bearing games." But knowing Coach Toroman, he will never allow SG to treat these games as "no bearing" games.

However, some people here are making "excuses" for SG's losses saying that these are no-bearing games and that Toroman is not using the right plays, making experiments, blah blah blah. Give credit to the SG players who are working hard to win.

Bro I think you are at a loss .... please do not post if you do not back-read. PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios already said that the games of SMART GILAS would become no-bearing which means they would no longer count on the team standings. They just changed the rules again.

For me I can say there is no excuses for the loses and I am witness on how the team takes seriously their stint in the PBA. The fact is that what they are doing is not experimenting, the team is just instructed to play the "international way" even if they're playing within PBA rules. What is bad is that the PBA is insinuating that GILAS is not playing at the same level as the PBA teams. Coach could had easily diagramed plays for Japeth, Barocca, Rabeh and several others to go on isolated one-on-one and have a better chance on winning in a PBA setting but that is not going to do good to the team in the long run as they should win by playing the right way. Right now I would be honest that the reason GILAS is losing is mental toughness or the lack of it, the Burger King game really shook the mindset of the players and intimidated them. They are not executing the plays as it was done in practice, the part in which they go strong to basket has been taken out by some of the boys due to fear of getting hurt. They are not also getting so close on defense on the players they are guarding after getting lot of hits (not seen on TV) in previous games. They were also distracted to the current situation of CJ. But that is no excuse as they should rise from that and do a better job in the coming games. Even though you feel some of the fans or posters are giving excuses for the loses of GILAS what is more important is that GILAS itself is not making any excuses.

But thank you for recognizing that GILAS is working hard to win. I just hope Barrios and some of the PBA Board sees this.

 

[loyski2]

Bro I think you are at a loss .... please do not post if you do not back-read. PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios already said that the games of SMART GILAS would become no-bearing which means they would no longer count on the team standings. They just changed the rules again.

For me I can say there is no excuses for the loses and I am witness on how the team takes seriously their stint in the PBA. The fact is that what they are doing is not experimenting, the team is just instructed to play the "international way" even if they're playing within PBA rules. What is bad is that the PBA is insinuating that GILAS is not playing at the same level as the PBA teams. Coach could had easily diagramed plays for Japeth, Barocca, Rabeh and several others to go on isolated one-on-one and have a better chance on winning in a PBA setting but that is not going to do good to the team in the long run as they should win by playing the right way. Right now I would be honest that the reason GILAS is losing is mental toughness or the lack of it, the Burger King game really shook the mindset of the players and intimidated them. They are not executing the plays as it was done in practice, the part in which they go strong to basket has been taken out by some of the boys due to fear of getting hurt. They are not also getting so close on defense on the players they are guarding after getting lot of hits (not seen on TV) in previous games. They were also distracted to the current situation of CJ. But that is no excuse as they should rise from that and do a better job in the coming games. Even though you feel some of the fans or posters are giving excuses for the loses of GILAS what is more important is that GILAS itself is not making any excuses.

But thank you for recognizing that GILAS is working hard to win. I just hope Barrios and some of the PBA Board sees this.

Okay sorry about that man. I didn't read today's sports news before I made a comment..hehe...

 

[ARISTOTLE3]

Why are people making excuses that Smart Gilas' games in the PBA are "no-bearing games?" Bearing or no-bearing, Smart Gilas needs to win to boost their confidence and to gain respect from the basketball community. Do you think Coach Toroman considers these games as "no-bearing?" I don't think so.

Smart Gilas is trying hard to win. To consider these games as "no-bearing" is ridiculous; give credit to the players and staff of Smart Gilas who are working hard to win. Just because a game is "no-bearing" doesn't mean that players will just player lackadaisically or make "experiments." Nobody loves to lose.

If we maintain such an attitude we will never succeed in international basketball. Our National Team should approach each and every game with seriousness and a sense of purpose. To consider some games as "no-bearing" only fosters bad habits that will kill this team in important international tournaments.

Just my 2.5 cents.

what the people here pertain to as NOT GIVING 100 percent are the PBA teams and not Gilas. Gilas will alwys play hard. Im pretty sure PBA teams will not.

 

[durden_tyler2]

Like most, i disagree with Barrios' and the board's decision (let me see, i think those who decided to change the rules were: Alaska, San Miguel and some) to remove the "bearing" from the matches.

Like most, i don't doubt that fact that Toroman and the boys would want to win every single game. On the other side of the coin, i am iffy about what the PBA coaches and players mindset would be going into these matches. HOWEVER, no PBA team would want to lose those games anyway; especially what after BK, Ginebra and TNT has showed so i am not too worried about the quality of these matches.

The ideal situation would have been for Gilas to play all 20 games and so that they can be part of the playoffs (if qualified)--- but i understand that SBP has plans in the second half of the conference.

Still, am looking forward to Gilas vs. PBA teams this year.

 

[hawke122]

Here's what I thought of all this New development happening with SG in the PBA.... When the game is no bearing it becomes an exhibition game... and what I think well become is that when SG finally win against a PBA Team... Many PBA fans will say that the PBA took it lightly because it's a no bearing game... Maybe if SG sweep all there first 3 games there wouldn't be any some sort of problem with the new rule of Commish Virus... Because whatever happens SG proved thay could beat a PBA... But now they can't Because it's just an exhibition game and PBA fans will say The PBA team didn't take the game seriously if somehow a PBA Team will to SG...

It's not PBA vs. SBP-SG..

It's PBA fans vs. SBP-SG fans..

 

[lizardking2]

I was wondering if PBA coaches would approach the game with pride. You know, like saying to their boys "if the first three teams beat these guys by a blowout, i wouldn't want the dubious distinction of being the first pro team to lose. So play hard boys."

That pressure on the succeeding teams pride would be greater if Coke wins on Friday. Like it would become an internal joke that the first coach who loses would be the laughingstock for being beaten by schoolboys.

As for the players, they got into the PBA ranks by being naturally competitive people. So instinctively they would play hard like we play hard kapag may dayo even if there's no pusta. But of course, there are the tamad players like Marlou. I'm just hoping they would also be ashamed to lose whatever their coach says.

Anyway, I'm sure now its no-bearing, the intensity level will go down. But I'm hoping the PBA teams still play to win for pride's sake.

 

[nardy2]

I was wondering if PBA coaches would approach the game with pride. You know, like saying to their boys "if the first three teams beat these guys by a blowout, i wouldn't want the dubious distinction of being the first pro team to lose. So play hard boys."

That pressure on the succeeding teams pride would be greater if Coke wins on Friday. Like it would become an internal joke that the first coach who loses would be the laughingstock for being beaten by schoolboys.

As for the players, they got into the PBA ranks by being naturally competitive people. So instinctively they would play hard like we play hard kapag may dayo even if there's no pusta. But of course, there are the tamad players like Marlou. I'm just hoping they would also be ashamed to lose whatever their coach says.

Anyway, I'm sure now its no-bearing, the intensity level will go down. But I'm hoping the PBA teams still play to win for pride's sake.

I hope the PBA teams also thinks the same way as you do but I have a feeling they'll play the way they did when they played the M. Lhuillier-Cebu Ninos.

 

[lizardking2]

I hope the PBA teams also thinks the same way as you do but I have a feeling they'll play the way they did when they played the M. Lhuillier-Cebu Ninos.

Yeah, I agree they most probably will. But now, I'd rather we be wrong and instead, pride emerges as a good motivator.

 

[nardy2]

I was thinking that the PBA could have taken advantage of the SMART GILAS PBA stint marketing wise, they cannot deny that for a 2:30pm crowd the last 3 games of GILAS was big. That is one reason why their gate receipts improved significantly this conference. Just think if they would now market the coming appearance of the Visayan Giants am sure it would generate good gate receipts and if it is televised, good ratings. But instead they would rather go out in media that the GILAS games would be no-bearing.

this is an opportunity for the PBA to regain its old popularity even though the fans would be more curious to see how the GILAS team would perform.

 

[Zero2]

What if Danding and MVP decided to abandon the PBA and start to form a new league.

I don't know what will happen to the PBA, all of their recent moves will backfire to them.

 

[CoJ2]

What if Danding and MVP decided to abandon the PBA and start to form a new league.

I don't know what will happen to the PBA, all of their recent moves will backfire to them.

they won't, . they are primary rivals............(and I thought Conjuangco=PBA?)

 

[nardy2]

they won't, . they are primary rivals............(and I thought Conjuangco=PBA?)

Bong Tan would like a new pro league without the Cojuangco teams.

 

[neo2]

Eto naman si Uichico parang hindi naging part ng NCC program, parang hindi natuto kay Jacobs. Sus, when the core of the NCC was playing a major tournament overseas, their 2nd team subbed for them. I bet they chose Uichico to say this script because of the Ginebra fanbase.

Talaga itong PBA parang pulitiko, puros papogi.

Trans: Uichico acts as if he wasn't part of the NCC team that was in a similar situation before.

as nardy has said, what uichico said was right. jhong was actually apologizing because they played to win by playing the pba brand of basketball that the gilas will not meet in fiba-asia games. it's like a reverse of jhong's concern then with his selecta-rp team wherein everytime the rp players are push around, they tend to play their pba style of play instead of sticking with the fiba-brand motion offense. on why the hell did barrios quoted this one inappropriately beats me .

 

[nardy2]

as nardy has said, what uichico said was right. jhong was actually apologizing because they played to win by playing the pba brand of basketball that the gilas will not meet in fiba-asia games. it's like a reverse of jhong's concern then with his selecta-rp team wherein everytime the rp players are push around, they tend to play their pba style of play instead of sticking with the fiba-brand motion offense. on why the hell did barrios quoted this one inappropriately beats me .

before I was giving Barrios a benefit of the doubt but his recent actions and statements makes me believe that he gone bonkers.

The PBA should have chosen Chito Salud, Lambert Ramos or Freddie Webb.

 

[neo2]

before I was giving Barrios a benefit of the doubt but his recent actions and statements makes me believe that he gone bonkers.

The PBA should have chosen Chito Salud, Lambert Ramos or Freddie Webb.

this all started when the board cannot agree on who would become the commissioner and decided to just award the position to the officer-in-charge barrios. from there alone, we could see barrios is the comm because of politics. and that's not counting that he became oic when eala was sacked.