FARIDOON
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2-time PBA MVP 2000 and 2001 but ineffective for the Philippine team in 2002 Asiad, he played the SF position..
Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball
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2-time PBA MVP 2000 and 2001 but ineffective for the Philippine team in 2002 Asiad, he played the SF position..
reamily
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Danny Ildefonso is the blue print of RDO's game its just that RDO hits 3's as per Chot Reyes liking..Danny has that efficient mid range game..RDO was a reserve in 2007-2009 because like Danny I he was a tweener.. but he was given 3rd chance that Danny didn't really have so it was very unfair..
For now Troy Rosario is jack of all trades kind of big man still master of none.. but his arsenal would be solid in intl. game already given if you give premium to defese as Chot might bench him if he can't hit those outside jumpers consistently or he can't finish his inside shots..
For now Troy Rosario is jack of all trades kind of big man still master of none.. but his arsenal would be solid in intl. game already given if you give premium to defese as Chot might bench him if he can't hit those outside jumpers consistently or he can't finish his inside shots..
He is in good company to learn great basketball
http://www.iphoneogram.com/u/229979830
link of asi's picture with kai sotto,ervin sotto and enrico villanueva...by the way junmar fajardo's middle name is also sotto..
link of asi's picture with kai sotto,ervin sotto and enrico villanueva...by the way junmar fajardo's middle name is also sotto..
Marc Pingris is married to a Sotto
thats great news! what age are they sir? hope they are still 16below so they could get documents needed to be eligible for fiba.. now that we identified some of the future big men hopefully they will get quality training coz what is height without skills/iq..
Athrunzala
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I think that kid must be around 6-foot-2 or 6-foot-3 given that Enrico Villanueva is between 6-foot-4 to 6-foot-5.
Hope that kid will be trained either as a "stretch 4" or a small forward.
silverwing
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durden_tyler
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= NBA Player
Wrong.
He'd be the G.O.A.T.
(Question: does this hybrid player include Junmar's and Chris's faces?!
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Alex07
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u-17? sign them up for the your team sir
analyzed
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U mean the Phil touring team? I think the younger brother is U17. BTW do u help out Nardy? starting to get confused with all the names involved
c_d
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If I'm not mistaken, Nomer Gonzales is with UP
As Phi. basketball looks to the future with so much hope that one day it would no longer have the size disadvantage that it always had in the past, it would be very crucial that we train these "tall" young players properly. It's not enough that we just train them & expose them to high-level competition. What's most important is we train them properly.
I suggest that these young tall players be trained in some sort of a "big men's camp", in which "students" will be thoroughly taught by several instructors who will specialize on training big men skills. The SBP should therefore organize a this big men's camp & should hire the likes of Norman Black, Jun Limpot, Dennis Espino, Alvin Patrimonio, Danny Ildefonso, etc. as instructors. We are now in the advent of sports science.
While the focus of the training will be on the basic big men skills like post-up moves, rebounding, boxing-out, defense & footwork, the big men's camp should also cover other important aspects of the game usually taken for granted by players (without personal trainers) when they are young.
As we can notice, there are some tall players we have right now who have some glaring weakness in their game. For instance, notice how often Junmar Fajardo fails to catch a pass or how often he losses grip on the ball (unforced errors). Notice also how prone to fouls Junmar is, not just in the international game but in the PBA as well. Those I guess are weaknesses that Junmar failed to address becoz he lacked proper training during his younger age. Or perhaps maybe Junmar's trainer was able to spot such weakness, but didn't bother to correct it. Eh sa CESAFI kasi Junmar can give University Cebu 20+ points, 15 rebs. and his team always wins, so why be so concerned about his 6 errors per game average? Now that Junmar is around 24 or 25 years old, medyo nahihirapan na syang i correct yung mga shortcomings nya sa laro.
The crucial thing about developing a player is to spot his weaknesses as early as possible, a stage when a player is around 14 to 17 years old. There are young "tall" players who go exclusively to their "strong" hand in dribbling the ball or taking a lay-up & hardly use their "weak" hand. There are young tall players who aren't that comfortable dribbling the ball. There are players who have poor vision or situational awareness that once they are double-teamed at the low block, they won't know how to pass the ball. Such shortcomings could easily be spotted by a trainer or instructor & could be corrected or addressed at the early part of a player's basketball career. Pag nakagawian na kasi ng isang player ang bad habits, mahirap ng i correct when he is already 25 years old or older.
I suggest that these young tall players be trained in some sort of a "big men's camp", in which "students" will be thoroughly taught by several instructors who will specialize on training big men skills. The SBP should therefore organize a this big men's camp & should hire the likes of Norman Black, Jun Limpot, Dennis Espino, Alvin Patrimonio, Danny Ildefonso, etc. as instructors. We are now in the advent of sports science.
While the focus of the training will be on the basic big men skills like post-up moves, rebounding, boxing-out, defense & footwork, the big men's camp should also cover other important aspects of the game usually taken for granted by players (without personal trainers) when they are young.
As we can notice, there are some tall players we have right now who have some glaring weakness in their game. For instance, notice how often Junmar Fajardo fails to catch a pass or how often he losses grip on the ball (unforced errors). Notice also how prone to fouls Junmar is, not just in the international game but in the PBA as well. Those I guess are weaknesses that Junmar failed to address becoz he lacked proper training during his younger age. Or perhaps maybe Junmar's trainer was able to spot such weakness, but didn't bother to correct it. Eh sa CESAFI kasi Junmar can give University Cebu 20+ points, 15 rebs. and his team always wins, so why be so concerned about his 6 errors per game average? Now that Junmar is around 24 or 25 years old, medyo nahihirapan na syang i correct yung mga shortcomings nya sa laro.
The crucial thing about developing a player is to spot his weaknesses as early as possible, a stage when a player is around 14 to 17 years old. There are young "tall" players who go exclusively to their "strong" hand in dribbling the ball or taking a lay-up & hardly use their "weak" hand. There are young tall players who aren't that comfortable dribbling the ball. There are players who have poor vision or situational awareness that once they are double-teamed at the low block, they won't know how to pass the ball. Such shortcomings could easily be spotted by a trainer or instructor & could be corrected or addressed at the early part of a player's basketball career. Pag nakagawian na kasi ng isang player ang bad habits, mahirap ng i correct when he is already 25 years old or older.
Athrunzala
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I think yes there should be a Big Man's camp, but I don't think past centers would be the ones to teach like Patrimonio, Ildefonso or Espino. I'ts better if they would be trained by point guards like Abarrientos and proven shooters like Allan Caidic since as you say, their weaknesses are ball handling skills, poor vision, mobility, and mid range shooting. The end product of this Big Man's program is a Dirk Nowitzki or even a Kevin Durant skill wise... The post up skills are useless because they would be going up against taller opponents so it is more of a tactical disadvantage in the long run.
A more realistic approach
A more realistic approach
Well, I don't envision our young tall cagers to have the skill-sets of a Dirk Nowitzki or a Kevin Durant, although of course if there are tall players of that skill-sets (like Kobe Paras) then lets go for it. I think its a bit ambitious to envision a Nowitzki or Durant type of skills out of our tall young "homegrown" cagers. Maybe that 14-year old Fil-Nigerian kid based in UK can be like a Nowitzki or Durant in terms of skill-set, but as far as homegrown talents is concerned, that's a long shot, I guess. We just have to be more realistic.
I suggest having Black, Espino, Patrimonio, Limpot, Ildefonso as trainers becoz nobody understands what's like to be a big man better than these retired big men who made a name in Phi. basketball. Nobody understands the difficulty & the challenge big men face learning how to handle or dribble the ball better than big men themselves. If you put an Abarrientos or a Jimmy Alapag to teach these tall kids how to dribble, then chances are Alapag & Abarrientos won't be able to relate the difficulty these tall kids have to face in ball handling, simply becoz both Alapag & Abarrientos aren't big men.
For instance, who would you assign to teach a tall kid how to pass off a double-team at the low block, a Jun Limpot or a Jimmy Alapag? Alapag as we all know is a great passer, while Jun Limpot was known as a low post player. How can a Jimmy Alapag relate to what is like being double-teamed at low post when he was never known to be a low post player?
I can see where you are coming pare, but I think we need a more realistic approach.
A more realistic approach
Well, I don't envision our young tall cagers to have the skill-sets of a Dirk Nowitzki or a Kevin Durant, although of course if there are tall players of that skill-sets (like Kobe Paras) then lets go for it. I think its a bit ambitious to envision a Nowitzki or Durant type of skills out of our tall young "homegrown" cagers. Maybe that 14-year old Fil-Nigerian kid based in UK can be like a Nowitzki or Durant in terms of skill-set, but as far as homegrown talents is concerned, that's a long shot, I guess. We just have to be more realistic.
I suggest having Black, Espino, Patrimonio, Limpot, Ildefonso as trainers becoz nobody understands what's like to be a big man better than these retired big men who made a name in Phi. basketball. Nobody understands the difficulty & the challenge big men face learning how to handle or dribble the ball better than big men themselves. If you put an Abarrientos or a Jimmy Alapag to teach these tall kids how to dribble, then chances are Alapag & Abarrientos won't be able to relate the difficulty these tall kids have to face in ball handling, simply becoz both Alapag & Abarrientos aren't big men.
For instance, who would you assign to teach a tall kid how to pass off a double-team at the low block, a Jun Limpot or a Jimmy Alapag? Alapag as we all know is a great passer, while Jun Limpot was known as a low post player. How can a Jimmy Alapag relate to what is like being double-teamed at low post when he was never known to be a low post player?
I can see where you are coming pare, but I think we need a more realistic approach.
Guys 18 yrs below should be trained how to shot the threes, dribble like a sg/sf and pass like a point guard and best trainers for this kind of skill sets would be the abarrientos,calma's, caidic's and meneses kind of players. Once they reach there 20 and they are really tall then that's the time to send them to our big man's camp.
The traditional philippine basketball mindset of "if you are tall then you dont need to dribble,pass and shot from the outside" should be abandoned and replace. Those tall kids should be able to do multiple skill sets to be serviceble to our future national basketball teams.
c_d
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That's the role higanteng magilas is/was supposed to fulfill. Makes you wonder what happened to the 6-4 Stephen Jimenez who they said will be trained guard skills. BTW, that kid should be eligible for either the 2015 u16 or 2016 u18 team.
More then guard skills, they should be teaching these young "big men" moves which they can use while playing big at the lower level and, at the same time, retain in their arsenal even if they shift to a small man position later. For example, an up-and-under would be pretty useless if they end up being undersized at the higher level. However, moves and skills like setting screens, cutting to the basket, rebounding, tip-ins/putbacks, spin moves, turnaround jumpers, midrange jumpshots are skills that will be useful whether they play big or small.