FIBA vs ULEB

[Stevnsgade2]

Do you remember the precedent I was talking about, regarding the international ice-skating union and the formal investigation by the European Commission?
Well, check this out - it came out yesterday:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-3201_en.htm

It's not final, but it's a very important preliminary ruling. They are actually inviting the ISU to fight a last-ditch battle, with almost zero chances of changing the verdict.
This preliminary view is a huge, huge warning sign for FIBA. Why would FIBA's case be any different?

Interesting indeed with the EU-statement to ISU. That case does look familiar with the "FIBA vs ECA" and I have seen that you have posted similar posts about this before.
However, as I read it, it is only a statement, and nothing has been decided, but it does seem to indicate that ISU is violating European antitrust laws out of self-interest. I would guess that's what ECA's claims FIBA is doing too.

 

[TheMirror2]

No, this isn't just a press statement. This reflects a formal step taken by the EC toward the ISU.
The EC officially informed the ISU that the EC will rule against them, as things stand now. They have invited the ISU for what is essentially a final hearing, before the final ruling. The EC is actually formally saying to the ISU - "you have a last chance to present us with something new, that we haven't heard until today - because based on what we've heard until now, you are violating anti-competition laws and our verdict will go against you."
The formal investigation by the EC against the ISU has been going on since October 2015, almost a year. Do you think the ISU has some big new secret weapon up their sleeve, that they haven't used throughout a year-long investigation? I don't think so. I estimate that the ISU's chances of overturning the verdict are virtually zero.
That is a vital stage toward a final ruling, the ISU is in big trouble, and by precedent - so is FIBA.

 

[Picek2]

FIBA sending letters to basketball federations once again
FIBA sent letters to Slovenian and FYROM basketball federations. The two Federations have to suspend the clubs that are participating in competitions not recognized by FIBA
National Teams
FIBA sent letters to Slovenian and FYROM basketball federations, as confirmed by the two federations.

The two Federations have to suspend the clubs that are participating in competitions not recognized by FIBA. Otherwise FIBA reserves the right to exclude their National Teams from all FIBA competitions.

Slovenia has Krka Novo Mesto and Union Olimpija Ljubljana playing in ABA Liga and Union Olimpija in EuroCup while FYROM has MZT Skopje playing in ABA Liga and EuroCup.
The deadline is November 25 and Slovenia has been “threatened” that the National Team will not be in the draw for Eurobasket 2017 scheduled for November 22 in Istanbul.

EC draw is close.

 

[Levenspiel2]

Eurohoops.net had an interview with FIBA.

http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/350904/fiba-wants-spot-euroleague-champions-league-winner

FIBA once again denied that they have put any kind of pressure to the clubs which chose to play in the Eurocup, however they confirmed that they expect from the national federations to inform them until the 25th of November what they intend to do with those clubs. According to FIBA the issue is the following: “We do not tolerate the conflict of interests and the adoption and implementation of unlawful acts and generally illegal policies. To make it clear, once again, we must stress that FIBA does not blackmailed anybody, simply and persistently asks for the rules to be respected”

"The ECA has a monopoly in the organization of the Euroleague, but our demand to ensure equal treatment between the Champions League and the Eurocup is reasonable and fair. We will be glad if they accept to give to the Champions League winner a spot in the Euroleague”.

doesn't this sound like FIBA lost the fight, and is trying to get an honorable surrender?

 

[iskoch2]

Eurohoops.net had an interview with FIBA.

http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/350904/fiba-wants-spot-euroleague-champions-league-winner

doesn't this sound like FIBA lost the fight, and is trying to get an honorable surrender?

of course they would lose. basketball in europe means euroleague.
they had no chance without a licenced clubs...

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Fiba obviously did lose the fight. And that's a dissaster for european basketball. In case the later get's further trapped in the cycle of protectionism and low income generation it will never fulfill it's potential or even might become a relatively marginal sport while some other sports continue with their small leaps forward.

 

[jorje2]

Italian clubs and Tony Parker's ASVEL are willing to abandon FIBA Europe's competition
It seems that next season will be the end for the inadequate bureaucrats of FIBA Europe
They are suffering a humiliating loss at the war they started against European clubs
https://www.talkbasket.net/24594-italian-sides-return-eurocup-tony-parkers-asvel-also-board.html

As always facts speak for themselves. I wonder where are those guys who were celebrating about FIBA's revolution and the incompetitive stone-age basketball they were promoting

 

[TheMirror2]

But it was the same last year too. Almost all the teams that Jordi wanted, including all those teams you listed, wanted to play in EC. But they gave in to FIBA threats, and got no defense from Jordi.
Let's see how FIBA reacts now. Jordi has the advantage, but nobody will win without fighting.

 

[ozziem2]

Italian clubs and Tony Parker's ASVEL are willing to abandon FIBA Europe's competition
It seems that next season will be the end for the inadequate bureaucrats of FIBA Europe
They are suffering a humiliating loss at the war they started against European clubs
https://www.talkbasket.net/24594-italian-sides-return-eurocup-tony-parkers-asvel-also-board.html

As always facts speak for themselves. I wonder where are those guys who were celebrating about FIBA's revolution and the incompetitive stone-age basketball they were promoting

Stupid teams join fiba organization(champions league). And The countries like Turkey send their teams to this stupid organization. Don't care about Fiba organizations, no need to talk. Eurocup teams are better and eurocup is better organization.

 

[vivo2]

Stupid teams join fiba organization(champions league). And The countries like Turkey send their teams to this stupid organization. Don't care about Fiba organizations, no need to talk. Eurocup teams are better and eurocup is better organization.

Turgay Demirel (FIBA Europe President), and Harun Erdenay had definitely an effect on some Turkish teams "choosing" (being forced to?) Champions League. I won't go as far to say Hedo is a great president for federation or isn't involved in political power games, but at least he advises teams to go to Eurocup.

 

[Jon_Koncak2]

Fans of teams with 10 year long licences are against FIBA and defend Jordi..What a surprise.

 

[vivo2]

Fans of teams with 10 year long licences are against FIBA and defend Jordi..What a surprise.

I just don't want European basketball to be a slave camp to NBA, so support a marketable and strong European league that is open to new teams. Maybe you should come up with arguments about how FIBA makes better things for basketball than Euroleague - instead of going ad hominem. Oh wait, there are no arguments in favor of FIBA.

 

[ozziem2]

Fans of teams with 10 year long licences are against FIBA and defend Jordi..What a surprise.

I think Uleb has problems too, A licence teams shouldn't be. Look at football champions league, there is no team that guarantee to join champions league in football.
Euroleague format is well this season, but I am against some team has license. Teams should be able to join this cup if they are successful in their league. Every country must have rankings, and base on these rankings, it is necessary to determine how many teams the countries will send to the tournament.

 

[Jon_Koncak2]

I just don't want European basketball to be a slave camp to NBA, so support a marketable and strong European league that is open to new teams. Maybe you should come up with arguments about how FIBA makes better things for basketball than Euroleague - instead of going ad hominem. Oh wait, there are no arguments in favor of FIBA.

the argument in favor of FIBA and against Jordi and his mafia is one single word."Licences"..It is not an open league

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I think Uleb has problems too, A licence teams shouldn't be. Look at football champions league, there is no team that guarantee to join champions league in football.
Euroleague format is well this season, but I am against some team has license. Teams should be able to join this cup if they are successful in their league. Every country must have rankings, and base on these rankings, it is necessary to determine how many teams the countries will send to the tournament.

well i agree with everything here.How can you be against licences and still support Jordi..Licences is the number one problem of euroleague..

 

[Mindozas6]

the argument in favor of FIBA and against Jordi and his mafia is one single word."Licences"..It is not an open league

.well i agree with everything here.How can you be against licences and still support Jordi..Licences is the number one problem of euroleague..

If I'm against FIBA, it doesn't mean that I'm supporting Jordi. There's not everything just black and white in this world. FIBA is fucked up organisation, still living in 20th century. They are just rottening inside and need to do a major cleaning in own sandbox. Everyone sees that in bball circles. Btw, they were offering the same licenses, but when ULEB came up with better offer, FIBA "suddenly" changed it's strategy... They simply had no other way, so started to play with this "sports principle" card. Funny. Jordi is not a saint by no means too. Euroleague must be more open tournament, even tho licenses in European bball makes sense, cause it's not football, clubs need stability in longterm, cause otherwise it's pretty much impossible to attract sponsors, especially f.e. in small markets like Lithuania. Euroleague license gives that stability and guarantees for sponsors. But current system is just too closed for my liking, I'd be fine with f.e. Top8 teams getting automatic berth in next seasons EL or smth like that, if ULEB wants the best to be there no matter what without taking a risk of them missing out, but there must be some competition goin' on and a chance for others. Let's say in Lithuania now there's only one club capable and competitive enough of playin' in current EL, so it wouldn't change anything, Zalgiris would win local champ like 90% of time rather easily, but these 10% would atleast give a hope for others, a motivation to grow. Another, even more ridiculous thing is those wildcards. Pure money sucking. Btw just like with FIBA giving away wildcards to World Champs, Olympic qualifiers, just to get additional money. But that's the direction every sports goes nowadays. I hate it, but can't do nothing about it. So basically we have two evils here with ULEB bein' lesser one and clubs goin' after it, cause simply there's nothing much to choose from

 

[eal2]

Perhaps I have missed something, but has there been any agreement about Euroleague observing the FIBA international windows?

 

[ozziem2]

the argument in favor of FIBA and against Jordi and his mafia is one single word."Licences"..It is not an open league

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well i agree with everything here.How can you be against licences and still support Jordi..Licences is the number one problem of euroleague..

I don't defend Jordi. I say joining Eurocup is more logical than joining fiba champions league because In current system , Eurleague is the best cup and to join EL , you must win Eurocup or take licence. When you prefer join champions league to eurocup, you can not change the system. You must play game with the rules of system.
The best way is accepting the system and play in system by its own rules, otherwise system destroys you.

 

[Hot Spot2]

Perhaps I have missed something, but has there been any agreement about Euroleague observing the FIBA international windows?

No, you haven't missed anything. But the NBA, meanwhile, has confirmed, that they won't release players for the FIBA World Cup windows:

NBA does not intend to release its players for in-season World Cup qualifying windows


Euroleague has prepared two alternative calendars for 2017-18 - one, which respects the windows, and one, which does not - and leaves the decision to the 16 clubs. After so many clubs this season complained about the tough EL schedule, I cannot imagine, that they will decide pro windows. I guess, they will take the NBA as an example: Eurocup clubs will release players, but Euroleague clubs will not.

Not accepting the windows will give Euroleague the chance, to play even on week-ends (the ones, on which the national leagues don't play because of the national team windows). Jordi is dreaming about this already for a long time, but never managed to do it against the veto of the national leagues.

Funny shit, that now FIBA helps Jordi to fullfill this old dream.

 

[Obina2]

This is good situation for teams like Portugal, Estonia, Belgium etc. to qualify on WC.

Fiba is a joke.

 

[Obina2]

Termines..

20-28 November 2017,

19-27 February 2018,

25 June to 3 July 2018,

30 August-18 September 2018,

26 November to 4 December 2018

and 18-28 February 2019

This is crazy...Two termines during season, one just after. FIBA is destroying basketball, slowly.