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Euroleague/Club Competition Signings & Rumours (vol IV)

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maccabeo said:
goga, is important to understand what are we talking about. i m not talking about israeli league roster,but about el roster. i'm juts saying players like green pnini wisi lasme and even anderson and eidson aren t player good for maccabi level and abitious in el and i guess even the partizan's disaster didn't change your opinions about our roster. said that ,the fact u must have numbers of israeli players is surely a right rule to grew up homr talents,but on the el courts u must have better players than them. they could stay on bench watching the game but not more. we need at least 5 new players. israeli or not,we surely need better players than lasme wisi anderson even eidson who was very bad this year, and green. as gershon said:next year with this roster we cant be again in f8 because this year we were therenot becuase one of 8 best teams but because of incredible situations
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Maccabi's EL and ISL rosters are different. Same players in different roles. This season, every Israeli but Pnini and Bluth staye on the bench and watched the game as you said. This doesn't change the fact that there are six Israelis on the roster. As a tight rotation consists of eight players that would mean six foreigner and two Israelis. Nothing different than this season. Maccabi cannot sign 15 players in order for most of them to sit out domestic or EL games completely.
The current roster is a good one. It has the basis to go the same distance or more with a couple of changes. There is no need for complete overhaul. Don't try to quote Gershon as the reason of him saying that is very clear. This season he reached the maximum, while he wants changes for the better for next season. He just wants to get sure no one is going to blame him this or the next season. Incredible situations? How about the incredible situation of Baskonia hitting on all cylinders in Tel-Aviv or Maccabi totally relaxing in the second half of 1/4 finals game 1? If not for that, Maccabi would surely be in Paris now. Who was to blame for the first game? Who kept Anderson in the game despite him hurting his team so much?
You want to change at least 50% of the roster by throwing out the leading players (whole starting five) and the main domestic guys. Of course, you are right, MTA could sign just foreign centers and get Israeli guards or forwards. But whom? Pnini and Bluth are Israeli forwards and there are no better than them except Casspi and Eliyahu but you know where those two are playing. Guards? There is no athletic Israeli SG with truly good scoring abilities, while PG is the most important position of all. Whom do you want to throw into the water here? Naimy? Roth? Mekel? Neither of them could even come off the bench in the EL (15 minutes) and make a difference. Naimy is playing good in Jerusalem and is really good in the ULEB Cup but for now he is not a EL player Maccabi needs. Roth? Too small, too old. Mekel? Too early. Maccabi has already got Limonad who is a combo-guard. Halperin will be available who is a valuable player but who is not risking anything and thus cannot lead a team. Not this team. So, except for Yotam, there is no Israeli available who would make an impact on this team. Bluth, Pnini, Halperin and Limonad would be good, while Limonad and Halperin in one team... well... Too similar as combo-guards.

As to Vujcic and Saras, they still can produce on this level. No problem here. Vujcic is playing 15 mpg for Olympiacos and is doing a great job there. Saras wasn't playing much this season due to an injury. It isn't like both Greeks do not want to have these two players. PAO does have three Greek playmakers with DD, Spanoulis and Calathes. There is no need for a foreign player who is almost earning the most money in Europe. Olympiacos does not have a smart coach. Despite having a sh.itload of really good centers, he is totally neglecting them. He does have three Greek big men, so why having another foreign one who makes a lot of money? However, when Vujcic won't be there, Oly will be a worse team than now. Of course, both of them would take significant cuts in their salaries at Maccabi. That would still be about 1 mio USD per player, what is too much for players who won#t be playing 25+ minutes. Actually, it's okay in modern day EL top bball but Maccabi pays that amount of money to its leading players only. I doubt both of them landing in Tel-Aviv but who knows. I agree however that signing both of them would not be a step into the future. However, having Nikola there teaching young Israeli centers, while Saras working with Mekel would be a good thing. Both of them still have a couple of good seasons in them and could contribute well. Just look at Saras in last two seasons.
 
goga78 said:
...You want to change at least 50% of the roster by throwing out the leading players (whole starting five) and the main domestic guys. Of course, you are right, MTA could sign just foreign centers and get Israeli guards or forwards. But whom? Pnini and Bluth are Israeli forwards and there are no better than them except Casspi and Eliyahu but you know where those two are playing. Guards? There is no athletic Israeli SG with truly good scoring abilities, while PG is the most important position of all. Whom do you want to throw into the water here? Naimy? Roth? Mekel? Neither of them could even come off the bench in the EL (15 minutes) and make a difference. Naimy is playing good in Jerusalem and is really good in the ULEB Cup but for now he is not a EL player Maccabi needs. Roth? Too small, too old. Mekel? Too early. Maccabi has already got Limonad who is a combo-guard. Halperin will be available who is a valuable player but who is not risking anything and thus cannot lead a team. Not this team. So, except for Yotam, there is no Israeli available who would make an impact on this team. Bluth, Pnini, Halperin and Limonad would be good, while Limonad and Halperin in one team... well... Too similar as combo-guards.
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If you don't mind me butting in:

Maccabi Tel Aviv (or Haifa for that matter) could look into Jon Scheyer (graduating from Duke and most likely not an NBA player) and Sylven Landesberg (suspended from Virginia, looking into NBA, but not getting much attention from NBA teams) would both do very well in Israel (maybe even Derek Glasser, also graduating). Both are talented guards. There's also Dan Grunfeld, who is a solid player, but except for the Maccabiah games, I haven't heard any interest from him in coming to Israel (may go the Alex Bougaieff route). Of course if they could afford Jordan Farmar...:D

Either way, if the NBA doesn't come calling, Scheyer and Landesberg are two top quality guards that one of the big teams in Israel should look into.
 
Czarkazem13 said:
If you don't mind me butting in:

Maccabi Tel Aviv (or Haifa for that matter) could look into Jon Scheyer (graduating from Duke and most likely not an NBA player) and Sylven Landesberg (suspended from Virginia, looking into NBA, but not getting much attention from NBA teams) would both do very well in Israel (maybe even Derek Glasser, also graduating). Both are talented guards. There's also Dan Grunfeld, who is a solid player, but except for the Maccabiah games, I haven't heard any interest from him in coming to Israel (may go the Alex Bougaieff route). Of course if they could afford Jordan Farmar...:D

Either way, if the NBA doesn't come calling, Scheyer and Landesberg are two top quality guards that one of the big teams in Israel should look into.
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You are totally right. I've discussed this matter on another platform. Forgot to do it here. Scheyer could sneak into the pros in the US somehow but would find himself on the rear end of the bench for several years at least. Look at J.J. Redick who was a more accurate shooter and a high volume scorer at Duke. Scheyer can shoot and can score, however he is not a dead-eye shooter for whatever reason. Haven't seen him much at Duke, just following the stats. I have seen him dropping 52 in HS, which might not be a great feat for a truly good player in a lower league (?) but he scored 21 pts. in the last 90 seconds and THAT's a feat. He is probably like Sheffer. A tall PG with good court vision but not too athletic and not too aggressive (unlike Katash - aggressiveness). I hope, Scheyer considers MTA. If he wants to play pro bball, Israel should be his top destination due to several factors. In a couple of years, he could be truly good in/for Maccabi and a crowd favourite. Haven't heard about Landesberg and Glasser but I will hurry up to google for those two :)
 
Maccabi scouts both Scheyer and Landesberg.
We (Maccabi fans) loved what we've seen from Scheyer at the NCAA Tournament and I'm sure that Shimon and Federman did too.

The rumor says Scheyer has already agreed to sign for Maccabi if he can't find an NBA team this summer.
I'm not sure he can contribute immediately in the EL, but he has nice potential.
 
goga78 said:
Maccabi's EL and ISL rosters are different. Same players in different roles. This season, every Israeli but Pnini and Bluth staye on the bench and watched the game as you said. This doesn't change the fact that there are six Israelis on the roster. As a tight rotation consists of eight players that would mean six foreigner and two Israelis. Nothing different than this season. Maccabi cannot sign 15 players in order for most of them to sit out domestic or EL games completely.
The current roster is a good one. It has the basis to go the same distance or more with a couple of changes. There is no need for complete overhaul. Don't try to quote Gershon as the reason of him saying that is very clear. This season he reached the maximum, while he wants changes for the better for next season. He just wants to get sure no one is going to blame him this or the next season. Incredible situations? How about the incredible situation of Baskonia hitting on all cylinders in Tel-Aviv or Maccabi totally relaxing in the second half of 1/4 finals game 1? If not for that, Maccabi would surely be in Paris now. Who was to blame for the first game? Who kept Anderson in the game despite him hurting his team so much?
You want to change at least 50% of the roster by throwing out the leading players (whole starting five) and the main domestic guys. Of course, you are right, MTA could sign just foreign centers and get Israeli guards or forwards. But whom? Pnini and Bluth are Israeli forwards and there are no better than them except Casspi and Eliyahu but you know where those two are playing. Guards? There is no athletic Israeli SG with truly good scoring abilities, while PG is the most important position of all. Whom do you want to throw into the water here? Naimy? Roth? Mekel? Neither of them could even come off the bench in the EL (15 minutes) and make a difference. Naimy is playing good in Jerusalem and is really good in the ULEB Cup but for now he is not a EL player Maccabi needs. Roth? Too small, too old. Mekel? Too early. Maccabi has already got Limonad who is a combo-guard. Halperin will be available who is a valuable player but who is not risking anything and thus cannot lead a team. Not this team. So, except for Yotam, there is no Israeli available who would make an impact on this team. Bluth, Pnini, Halperin and Limonad would be good, while Limonad and Halperin in one team... well... Too similar as combo-guards.

As to Vujcic and Saras, they still can produce on this level. No problem here. Vujcic is playing 15 mpg for Olympiacos and is doing a great job there. Saras wasn't playing much this season due to an injury. It isn't like both Greeks do not want to have these two players. PAO does have three Greek playmakers with DD, Spanoulis and Calathes. There is no need for a foreign player who is almost earning the most money in Europe. Olympiacos does not have a smart coach. Despite having a sh.itload of really good centers, he is totally neglecting them. He does have three Greek big men, so why having another foreign one who makes a lot of money? However, when Vujcic won't be there, Oly will be a worse team than now. Of course, both of them would take significant cuts in their salaries at Maccabi. That would still be about 1 mio USD per player, what is too much for players who won#t be playing 25+ minutes. Actually, it's okay in modern day EL top bball but Maccabi pays that amount of money to its leading players only. I doubt both of them landing in Tel-Aviv but who knows. I agree however that signing both of them would not be a step into the future. However, having Nikola there teaching young Israeli centers, while Saras working with Mekel would be a good thing. Both of them still have a couple of good seasons in them and could contribute well. Just look at Saras in last two seasons.
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mekel , what a mediocre player! he could even sleep every night with saras and will not be never an enoguh player for el.
if that's our future.. anyway the main diff beetwen your vision and mine is that u think this season maccabi was a good team with a good roster and so one of the best 8 team in europe. i think is at least the 12th. u have to add israeli , i know but if u wanna be a good team u need to let them on a bench for el matches. if not, if u can t have a long good roster to let them on the bench u will be always a 12th place team in el.
sure ,u can hope in a magica last quarter over siena or on a magic night in madrid but even moses opened the red sea just one time.u are talking adding players of 15 minutes and also ,u should consider this year they playerd 15 minutes, what it wil be next year? after 30 y old u should know that muscles and reaction get worse day by day.
we need some good yugoslavian, some good aamerican, and as i said we 'd need 5 players to get really better. in my opinion even anderson and eidson, our stars, should be released. one is a discontinuos an too individual talent who condition all teammate. eidson is a shy player, without leadership and often taking worse option during te match. with thaat salary they haave i'll add 4 better players. even don't wanan say anything about lasme or green or wisi that i m sure be released
 
maccabeo said:
mekel , what a mediocre player! he could even sleep every night with saras and will not be never an enoguh player for el.
if that's our future.. anyway the main diff beetwen your vision and mine is that u think this season maccabi was a good team with a good roster and so one of the best 8 team in europe. i think is at least the 12th. u have to add israeli , i know but if u wanna be a good team u need to let them on a bench for el matches. if not, if u can t have a long good roster to let them on the bench u will be always a 12th place team in el.
sure ,u can hope in a magica last quarter over siena or on a magic night in madrid but even moses opened the red sea just one time.u are talking adding players of 15 minutes and also ,u should consider this year they playerd 15 minutes, what it wil be next year? after 30 y old u should know that muscles and reaction get worse day by day.
we need some good yugoslavian, some good aamerican, and as i said we 'd need 5 players to get really better. in my opinion even anderson and eidson, our stars, should be released. one is a discontinuos an too individual talent who condition all teammate. eidson is a shy player, without leadership and often taking worse option during te match. with thaat salary they haave i'll add 4 better players. even don't wanan say anything about lasme or green or wisi that i m sure be released
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That's laughable to even think of being able to name at least eleven better teams in the EL than Maccabi. Don't talk it worse than it is, be fair.
You are writing about magical games vs. Siena and Real? Why not write about a super lucky game for Baskonia and a total meltdown against Partizan? They cancel each other out.
You can't keep Israeli players on the bench in the EL because that way you would have a very thin rotation (six players) and the fans would not understand it. After all, for Maccabi it is not about buying success.
You can try to release the whole starting five of last year but what would be the purpose of doing so? Release the starters and keep the bench players? The only consequence would be releasing the bench players, too as they were worse than all of the starters. I already told you that stuff you are writing can be compared to "I'd like Lasme to be released and Kevin Garnett signed instead". You cannot break all of the existing contracts and sign all new players. You uttered this thought once, I responded it once and we should leave it at that. People here complain about single players, even a couple of them but you want to dismember basically the whole team that has had quite a successful year (with a bitter ending).

As to Vujcic, he didn't need to play more than 15 minutes. Oly has an abundance of centers and the only players with significant mpg are Kleiza and Childress (wing players) anyway. Saras didn't play because of his injury and because PAO wanted Calathes to play more. Of course, there is no comparison between the two. With 32-33 players decline physically, that's true. It doesn't mean however that they can't play anymore. If they would be Saras and Vujcic of four years back, Maccabi couldn't afford them. You brought up a good point that signing them is no step to the future. But writing them off as being not good enough is false.

Mekel. You consider him to be mediocre.

1). Pretty early in his career to say so.
2). Yet another Israeli who can't play in your opinion.

You still don't get it. Maccabi has to have six Israelis on the roster and at least half of them should play in the EL, too, if MTA wants to achieve anything because that would give the team depth and a bigger rotation. Maccabi cannot reactivate Jamchy, Berkowitz or Brody, so it'S gotta work with what is available.
 
sixama23 said:
I thought of him too...
He is in his last year of his contract. But Barca will lose in size with such a replacement. That's why it seemed a little bit weird to me...
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It's not just a matter of size imo.. Basile plays in positions 2-3 there, while Martinez in 1 basically. So next year Barcelona will have 4 "ready" players playing in PG? This is why I cannot rule out the possibility of Lakovic (or Sada) being released this summer..
Anyway, the thing is, that Barcelona has a pretty much completed roster for next season as well. All the key players will be there again, and only 2-3 secondary changes will probably be made.
 
goga78 said:
That's laughable to even think of being able to name at least eleven better teams in the EL than Maccabi. Don't talk it worse than it is, be fair.
You are writing about magical games vs. Siena and Real? Why not write about a super lucky game for Baskonia and a total meltdown against Partizan? They cancel each other out.
You can't keep Israeli players on the bench in the EL because that way you would have a very thin rotation (six players) and the fans would not understand it. After all, for Maccabi it is not about buying success.
You can try to release the whole starting five of last year but what would be the purpose of doing so? Release the starters and keep the bench players? The only consequence would be releasing the bench players, too as they were worse than all of the starters. I already told you that stuff you are writing can be compared to "I'd like Lasme to be released and Kevin Garnett signed instead". You cannot break all of the existing contracts and sign all new players. You uttered this thought once, I responded it once and we should leave it at that. People here complain about single players, even a couple of them but you want to dismember basically the whole team that has had quite a successful year (with a bitter ending).

As to Vujcic, he didn't need to play more than 15 minutes. Oly has an abundance of centers and the only players with significant mpg are Kleiza and Childress (wing players) anyway. Saras didn't play because of his injury and because PAO wanted Calathes to play more. Of course, there is no comparison between the two. With 32-33 players decline physically, that's true. It doesn't mean however that they can't play anymore. If they would be Saras and Vujcic of four years back, Maccabi couldn't afford them. You brought up a good point that signing them is no step to the future. But writing them off as being not good enough is false.

Mekel. You consider him to be mediocre.

1). Pretty early in his career to say so.
2). Yet another Israeli who can't play in your opinion.

You still don't get it. Maccabi has to have six Israelis on the roster and at least half of them should play in the EL, too, if MTA wants to achieve anything because that would give the team depth and a bigger rotation. Maccabi cannot reactivate Jamchy, Berkowitz or Brody, so it'S gotta work with what is available.
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goga i can't believe there isnt an israeli player, who is better than mekel

about magic night in siena and madrid compared with the magic partizan's night in tel aviv, well ,if u didn t understand how maccabi's roster this yera was worse than barca real siena kimki cska oly pana efes fener ok, i guess here is the main diff beetwen me and u.
i wanna change 3 of 5 players who play more. i just stay with fischer and perkins. blutho is ok for the bench ,eidson too. no one more

last but not least.yes 33 y.o.players could play again till 35 or even 36 sure,but at this age they should play in smaller team than maccabi . there's no great team in world in any sport who would add 33 y.o.layers to get better. that is something done by small team hoping in last breath of those players.
in soccer i don't remember a 33 y.o. player added by inter, juventus, milan, chelsea, liverpool ,mancherster, real madrid ,barcelona, bayern and so and so.
 
Marble said:
It's not just a matter of size imo.. Basile plays in positions 2-3 there, while Martinez in 1 basically. So next year Barcelona will have 4 "ready" players playing in PG? This is why I cannot rule out the possibility of Lakovic (or Sada) being released this summer..
Anyway, the thing is, that Barcelona has a pretty much completed roster for next season as well. All the key players will be there again, and only 2-3 secondary changes will probably be made.
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Martinez plays 2 mostly. Obviously he can't cover the 3 at defense but then again there's nothing stopping Barcelona to get another decent player for that position.

Basile is starting to show his age(35) well and truly, unable to convert from anywhere but the 3pt line which also makes him highly predictable and a liability. Besides Basile is 1.92 and Martinez is 1.90 so there isn't much difference in size.

Sada covers too many tick boxes.. Lakovic might be on his way out..I think Barcelona needs a more balanced guard that can cover more positions..

If they really wanna make a splash they should try and get Spanoulis instead of Lakovic.
 
Aep.MTA said:
Anybody from Spain knows something about Richard Hendrix's status for the next season?
He has drawn some major interest here.
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Free agent. Hendrix signed a one-year contract with CB Granada. I think there was no clause to extend his contract.
 
kukulas said:
Martinez plays 2 mostly. Obviously he can't cover the 3 at defense but then again there's nothing stopping Barcelona to get another decent player for that position.

Basile is starting to show his age(35) well and truly, unable to convert from anywhere but the 3pt line which also makes him highly predictable and a liability. Besides Basile is 1.92 and Martinez is 1.90 so there isn't much difference in size.

Sada covers too many tick boxes.. Lakovic might be on his way out..I think Barcelona needs a more balanced guard that can cover more positions..

If they really wanna make a splash they should try and get Spanoulis instead of Lakovic.
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NO way!
 
maccabeo said:
is very rational what u say. yes we arent serbia . u are from israel and first of all i ask u . we really doesn't have a better center than green?
after that i say that the fact we aren't serbia it was like this since years but our power was builted having good eyes for right americans . we are loosing this skill and also we are nt starting watching at the balcanian market as every team do.

in my opinion, to talkng about niko and saras , it means having no ideas for future , how to ge better team the easiest way is to add name , old ex maccabi 's star. is the easier way, not complicated as searching talents
. this will not get mac stronger than now
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Have you fallen from the sky? I don't understand, are you are Italian or Israeli?
Anyway, we don't have an have never had. I think it's is accurate to say that Green is our best center not only now but ever.

You see what Israel have done at Eurobasket 2009 when he was injured... actually we will have a big problem with the NT few years ahead... all the young talents are guard and no centers.
 
It seems that Barça is eyeing Nemanja Bjelica from Red Star

Maurice Bailey waived by Obradoiro

Does someone know what about Stimac and Red Star? Was he waived yesterday or not?
 
baskex5 said:
vidal close to joventut

http://www.as.com/baloncesto/articulo/sergi-vidal-podria-jugar-dkv/dasbal/20100413dasdasbal_20/Tes

nocioni linked with madrid

http://www.tubasket.com/noticiaDeta...real/madrid/según/edición/impresa/marca/44028
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Vidal's signing with Joventut is done, at least, since one month ago. Nothing new the info from AS.

About Nocioni, bullshit. He still have to earn $14 million in the next two years. No way he will come to Spain and give up on that cash. No one here it's going to offer him that money.

And about Bjelica to Barcelona, it's possible, but if the rumor comes from Marca, I simply don't believe it :p
 
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