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Euroleague/Club Competition Signings & Rumours (vol IV)

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Milano looks like a cemetary of talents last years,especially this year I strongly believed that Maciulis and Petravicious would have great impact in EL and make a good time.What went wrong????Now they have Becirovic too in the Lega A but yet they really struggle to play basketball.Also Mike Hall who has good skills also is in bad condition lately.Too bad for Italian basketball because I believe that Milan,Roma and Benneton have a really nice roster,worthy of the Euroleague top-8 but something is wrong and all of them had a bad season in European competition...
 
kukulas said:
Well said :)

Although I don't know if many people got that. Jewish denotes some who is a believer of the Jewish religion. Not necessarily Israeli.. although he probably is Israeli.

Yeah I know.. scemantics and all that.

Anyhow the NCAA is a great headstart for players to make the leap over to Europe and more people should be looking there for compatriots who could make the roster.
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Judaism is a mono-ethnical religion. Thus, being Jewish is a nationality and religion. Scheyer is an American and not an Israeli, of course. Should he go to Israel, he is antitled to receive the Israeli citizenship due to the Right of Return. If he choses to do so - he doesn't have to get rid of his US passport to do so and professionally it will only help him - he will be considered a domestic player and as he hasn't played on any US NT before, he will be able to play for the Israeli Senior NT, if chosen.

Catholicism, on the other hand, has absolutely nothing to do with nationality as Christianity - in this case Catholicism - is a missionary religion, while Judaism isn't. Of course, you can find states like Spain or Poland, where the vast majority (way over 95%) is Catholic but this has its roots in historical European demography and migration.

Scheyer as Bluthenthal is Jewish and is entitled to get the Israeli passport instantly. Sharp, on the other hand, is not Jewish but an Israeli citizen after he spent so many years (16 now, I think) in the country with all kinds of obligations for an Israeli citizen. I think, he got his passport after 5 or 7 years in the country, where he has married and got children.
 
the_black_planet said:
Milano looks like a cemetary of talents last years,especially this year I strongly believed that Maciulis and Petravicious would have great impact in EL and make a good time.What went wrong????Now they have Becirovic too in the Lega A but yet they really struggle to play basketball.Also Mike Hall who has good skills also is in bad condition lately.Too bad for Italian basketball because I believe that Milan,Roma and Benneton have a really nice roster,worthy of the Euroleague top-8 but something is wrong and all of them had a bad season in European competition...
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NAME: Piero
LAST NAME: Bucchi

PROFESSION: Coach (or try to..)
 
goga78 said:
Judaism is a mono-ethnical religion. Thus, being Jewish is a nationality and religion. Scheyer is an American and not an Israeli, of course. Should he go to Israel, he is antitled to receive the Israeli citizenship due to the Right of Return. If he choses to do so - he doesn't have to get rid of his US passport to do so and professionally it will only help him - he will be considered a domestic player and as he hasn't played on any US NT before, he will be able to play for the Israeli Senior NT, if chosen.

Catholicism, on the other hand, has absolutely nothing to do with nationality as Christianity - in this case Catholicism - is a missionary religion, while Judaism isn't. Of course, you can find states like Spain or Poland, where the vast majority (way over 95%) is Catholic but this has its roots in historical European demography and migration.

Scheyer as Bluthenthal is Jewish and is entitled to get the Israeli passport instantly. Sharp, on the other hand, is not Jewish but an Israeli citizen after he spent so many years (16 now, I think) in the country with all kinds of obligations for an Israeli citizen. I think, he got his passport after 5 or 7 years in the country, where he has married and got children.
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I know, I know. Of course I didn't have any intention of complaining about it. In fact, I found more unfair by far the "express naturalization" of foreign players so they can play with the NT despite not having any attachments with the country (not the Sharp case, but the Logan-Poland, Massey-Macedonia, Jaaber-Bulgaria...). At least, due to the FIBA rules, if Scheyer hipotetically became an Israeli citizen, the NT wouldn't be able to have another "import" player. This is also a way to limit the effect of the Right to Return to basketball, which is what really means here ;)
 
Tomé said:
I know, I know. Of course I didn't have any intention of complaining about it. In fact, I found more unfair by far the "express naturalization" of foreign players so they can play with the NT despite not having any attachments with the country (not the Sharp case, but the Logan-Poland, Massey-Macedonia, Jaaber-Bulgaria...). At least, due to the FIBA rules, if Scheyer hipotetically became an Israeli citizen, the NT wouldn't be able to have another "import" player. This is also a way to limit the effect of the Right to Return to basketball, which is what really means here ;)
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It's not the same situation at all.
Any jewish in the world deserves to get the citizenship automaticly without lose his former, due to the "returning law".

Jaaber or Massey has nothing according to a Macedonia roots, not as David Bluthental or Scheyer as Jewish.
 
Tomé said:
I know, I know. Of course I didn't have any intention of complaining about it. In fact, I found more unfair by far the "express naturalization" of foreign players so they can play with the NT despite not having any attachments with the country (not the Sharp case, but the Logan-Poland, Massey-Macedonia, Jaaber-Bulgaria...). At least, due to the FIBA rules, if Scheyer hipotetically became an Israeli citizen, the NT wouldn't be able to have another "import" player. This is also a way to limit the effect of the Right to Return to basketball, which is what really means here ;)
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I fully agree with you. It's a shame how some federations exhibit pressure on their administrations (or administrations do it by their own will) and give their passports away for nothing. Not in special cases but as some art of business.
 
Tomé said:
I know, I know. Of course I didn't have any intention of complaining about it. In fact, I found more unfair by far the "express naturalization" of foreign players so they can play with the NT despite not having any attachments with the country (not the Sharp case, but the Logan-Poland, Massey-Macedonia, Jaaber-Bulgaria...). At least, due to the FIBA rules, if Scheyer hipotetically became an Israeli citizen, the NT wouldn't be able to have another "import" player. This is also a way to limit the effect of the Right to Return to basketball, which is what really means here ;)
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and what Mirotić has with Spain?
 
guys nachbar is almost une step leaving efes. it seems to me impossbile there are no rumors about him. i'll add him for almost every el team
 
maccabeo said:
guys nachbar is almost une step leaving efes. it seems to me impossbile there are no rumors about him. i'll add him for almost every el team
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False alarm. Boki stays with Efes and if Ataman gets kicked, he will stay for next year too.
 
goga78 said:
Judaism is a mono-ethnical religion.
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Thats not entirely true.. but then again this is hardly the place to discuss this. So I'll drop it here..:)

As far as federations go.. there is a necessary amount of "beareaucratical lubrication" required in order for some of the passports to be expedited. Some federations are desperate as well.. that makes things easy for some people who happen to be in the right place at the right time.
 
maccabeo said:
guys nachbar is almost une step leaving efes. it seems to me impossbile there are no rumors about him. i'll add him for almost every el team
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Too expensive for someone who has shown the ability to shoot and dunk only, be it playing within his position for Dynamo Moscow or out of position for Efes Pilsen. No defense, no court sense whatsoever. Nothing for a leading EL team. I thought of him better before I have seen him on regular basis.
 
kukulas said:
Thats not entirely true.. but then again this is hardly the place to discuss this. So I'll drop it here..:)

As far as federations go.. there is a necessary amount of "beareaucratical lubrication" required in order for some of the passports to be expedited. Some federations are desperate as well.. that makes things easy for some people who happen to be in the right place at the right time.
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It's totally true. That's why there are so few Jews in the world (13 mio) and why it is so hard to convert to Judaism. When non-Jews still become Jews, they become members of the Jewish nation, not just a religious group. When Jews chose a different religion, they still remain Jews. A commonly accepted approach by Orthodox Jews. There is a big difference between Judaism and other religions in regards to ethnical roots and nation.

As to the other point, I agree... unfortunately. The only good thing, as Tomé wrote, is the limited number of naturalized players. I still remember the first victim of this rule, Vladimir Bogojevic, who missed the 2001 Eurobasket because Shawn Bradley took his place. Before that Vladi has been the starting PG of the German NT. Still remember his great game (along Drazan Tomic) against Croatia in 1999.
 
Tomé said:
So, if some NCAA star it's catholic, can we make him Spanish too? :p

(just kidding) ;)
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He can be any religion, if the guy can play, the Spanish teams will steal him and make him Spanish (see Mamadou Samb, Nikola Mirotic).

Easy enough no?
 
cheezdoodle said:
He can be any religion, if the guy can play, the Spanish teams will steal him and make him Spanish (see Mamadou Samb, Nikola Mirotic).

Easy enough no?
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We have a very different concept of what is stealing but anyway, the point is that according to FIBA rules Scheyer, and any other Jewish who became israeli would be considered an import or naturalized, just like Samb with Spain. Unless there's any exception for Israel that i don't know about.
 
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