Euroleague 2012/13 teams

[pohani komarac2]

Alba can bring 10k crowd to its EL games, that alone worth a wildcard

As expected BSL 2-nd Ashdod cannot play in Eurocup due to 5k criteria , so Jerusalem is in instead.

The bad news : Jerusalem owner Guma Aguiar is missing near Miami, so nobody knows what will happen now with the club.

that alone is worth of BULLSHIT

only thing that shout mather is RESULT

sorry for dirty language to all of you, but 9th placed spanish team haveing some crap licsense or xy german club geting WC is big SHIT and i think german 2nd team or spanish 4th team shares my opinion

and i can't belive there are still clubs and people who supprt this jordi pice of crap

 

[Gonzaka2]

Up until this year, you needed a 3,000 arena to play in Eurocup. Did they change it to 5,000?

I think it didn't change. Rudupis is going to play EC in their new arena (3,000 seats), the one where they couldn't play last season.

BTW, if Siena is making a huge cut in their budget, would be a 10k arena a nonsense for them?

 

[Olympiacos2]

that alone is worth of BULLSHIT

only thing that shout mather is RESULT

sorry for dirty language to all of you, but 9th placed spanish team haveing some crap licsense or xy german club geting WC is big SHIT and i think german 2nd team or spanish 4th team shares my opinion

and i can't belive there are still clubs and people who supprt this jordi pice of crap

No need to apologize man. Because what you say is true. Euroleague is really getting out of hand with this. I can understand certain teams having the license and certain teams getting a wild card to a qualifying round or the Eurocup.

But teams like Malaga keeping the license, when two other Spanish teams like Valencia and Bilbao proved in recent years that they deserved it more? Or ALBA getting a direct wild card in the regular season? ALBA? After they were 5th in the German league, which is getting better, but is still well below the better leagues in Europe?

This stuff is really nonsense. Yes, ALBA has a great arena, great fans, attendance, great market, etc. They even have a decent budget. But they are simply not a competitive team for Euroleague. What will they do next year realistically? Brose does not even make the Top 16 and they have been a much better team.

How do they explain to teams like Galatasaray, Cantu, UNICS also that ALBA deserves a wild card more? Or that the German club which was 2nd only deserved a QR place, but 5th German club should be in regular season? How do they explain to Greek League that the third Greek team deserves no place in the qualifiers, but that German League deserves two teams in regular season and one in the qualifiers? I mean this stuff is ridiculous.

I think it didn't change. Rudupis is going to play EC in their new arena (3,000 seats), the one where they couldn't play last season.

BTW, if Siena is making a huge cut in their budget, would be a 10k arena a nonsense for them?

That makes more sense then. Maybe Kolossos just is going to have their new arena ready then.

From what I have read, Siena only cut their budget by 2 million euros. They had a bigger budget this year than they normally do. Something like 16 to 16.5 million euro. So the new budget would be around 14 to 14.5 million euro. For example, they have had budgets in 13-15 million euros in most years. So I don't think there is really a difference for them.

It's just that, it is odd how we were told for so long that clubs had to get a 10,000 arena, and then Siena does not, and they keep the license and we hear nothing more about it. What about some club that paid a lot of money to rent a big arena and then finds out that Siena didn't even need to have a different arena? Surely that would make some clubs angry? Or did they just scrap this 10,000 arena rule?

 

[Gonzaka2]

Oh, just seen Cibona is not in Eurocup. No European competition for this team???

 

[fortaleza2]

Time for eye exam maybe?

 

[Gonzaka2]

Time for eye exam maybe?

Yeah, I'm definitely blind.

 

[IJK_Principle2]

AAAAAAaaand Megasport confirmed during today's press conference as arena of choice for CSKA for the upcoming EL season.

Edit: Ladies and Gentlemen, place your bets on average CSKA attendance during the upcoming EL season. Will it be at least above 50 % of Megasport's capacity? Probably not.

 

[Billy Bounce2]

that alone is worth of BULLSHIT

only thing that shout matter is RESULT

sorry for dirty language to all of you, but 9th placed Spanish team having some crap license or xy German club getting WC is big SHIT and i think German 2nd team or Spanish 4th team shares my opinion

and i can't believe there are still clubs and people who support this Jordi piece of crap

Jordi's mistake that his system isn't transparent.

Believe me , you won't like the system based on RESULTS only. Because in this case EL would have to say good bye to Cedevita and Olimpija who achieved much worse results over last three years in Euro competitions then Valencia, Unics and Alba Berlin.
You can check it by yourself: http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=7895

I don't think everybody will be happy with 6th Spanish team in EL, but results-wise they deserved it.

Having healthy club like Alba (with 10k fans each game) is better for basketball in general then watching next "Maroussi" taking bank loans to be competitive in EL, playing in empty arena and going bankrupt next season.

 

[Deschain2]

We can remove the "Milangaz" part of "Beşiktaş Milangaz" now...

 

[Jazz2]

AAAAAAaaand Megasport confirmed during today's press conference as arena of choice for CSKA for the upcoming EL season.

Edit: Ladies and Gentlemen, place your bets on average CSKA attendance during the upcoming EL season. Will it be at least above 50 % of Megasport's capacity? Probably not.

Don't worry, they have a plan!

 

[iskoch2]

We can remove the "Milangaz" part of "Beşiktaş Milangaz" now...

I think we can remove Beşiktaş part too...

 

[Nobody2]

Brackets (pots) should be done according to last 3 years Euroleague ranking, right? Or we can expect something new this year?

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Jordi's mistake that his system isn't transparent.

Believe me , you won't like the system based on RESULTS only. Because in this case EL would have to say good bye to Cedevita and Olimpija who achieved much worse results over last three years in Euro competitions then Valencia, Unics and Alba Berlin.
You can check it by yourself: http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=7895

I don't think everybody will be happy with 6th Spanish team in EL, but results-wise they deserved it.

Having healthy club like Alba (with 10k fans each game) is better for basketball in general then watching next "Maroussi" taking bank loans to be competitive in EL, playing in empty arena and going bankrupt next season.

lol, I keep saying over and over again I actually do want such system even if Olimpija falls out for few seasons, that's probably the case from somewhere in 2005 or so, when Olimpija had the most out of it. Croatian or Slovenian clubs wouldn't be out of it long term - with the talent they're producing that's absurd to believe.
Top clubs should participate, no matter the country or season, as much as I respect Alba and keep them in good memory, they're in no place to receive this wild card. It's Asvel, Ulker, Pau, Benetton, Cibona, Olimpija all over again - what exactly does now euroleague has from those teams with their protection they were receiving in the past?

Btw, which results did Alba actually achieve in the last few years? they must've slipped out of my head...

 

[Mindozas6]

Brackets (pots) should be done according to last 3 years Euroleague ranking, right? Or we can expect something new this year?

I suppose it'll be either 2009-2010 system, when new 3 year cycle began (pots were set according to last season results) or 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 with last 3 years ranking of clubs. The latter looks more probable of course. I can't see any other system here

 

[Olympiacos2]

Jordi's mistake that his system isn't transparent.

Believe me , you won't like the system based on RESULTS only. Because in this case EL would have to say good bye to Cedevita and Olimpija who achieved much worse results over last three years in Euro competitions then Valencia, Unics and Alba Berlin.
You can check it by yourself: http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=7895

I don't think everybody will be happy with 6th Spanish team in EL, but results-wise they deserved it.

Having healthy club like Alba (with 10k fans each game) is better for basketball in general then watching next "Maroussi" taking bank loans to be competitive in EL, playing in empty arena and going bankrupt next season.

The funny thing is that Maroussi was getting 5,000+ attendance in Top 16 games, which is better than some teams that have contracts get. So even the theory that Euroleague bases this stuff on attendance is not correct. It's just based on what the owners of clubs are paying to get into the competition. That's very obvious.

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Owners aren't paying anything, if that was the case there would be a lot more Russian teams in euroleague by now.
The chosen ones are selected based on some marketability criteria developed by some classical underbrained marketing expert. I am afraid even in case of as obvious mistakes as with situation in Turkey in the past decade, Uleb won't learn a lesson and will repeat it all over again, by leaving either Galatasaray or Bešiktaš permanently out of the league, not to mention other potentialy great teams within Izmir, Ankara, Bursa. Instead of growth of Turkish basketball as it should've been, we'll witness rise of 3 selected clubs, that'll depend on the good will of their owners, instead of actual created revenues.

If somehow somewhere there would be a bright uleb genious finally trying to understand the possibility of long term euroleague's revenues (as on average of whole EL) correlating elasticaly with revenues national championships are able to create (meaning national championships 10% increase in revenue will result in 10+% increase in revenue for euroleague)... i'd eat my underpants if it wasn't all that obscure to expect someone to actually get to such conclusion while being paid for it.
That's it for 2012... but I'll save this rant somewhere as I'm afraid it'll be as usefull in 2018 when eurolague might celebrate surpassing CSKA's budget

 

[Olympiacos2]

Owners aren't paying anything, if that was the case there would be a lot more Russian teams in euroleague by now.
The chosen ones are selected based on some marketability criteria developed by some classical underbrained marketing expert. I am afraid even in case of as obvious mistakes as with situation in Turkey in the past decade, Uleb won't learn a lesson and will repeat it all over again, by leaving either Galatasaray or Bešiktaš permanently out of the league, not to mention other potentialy great teams within Izmir, Ankara, Bursa. Instead of growth of Turkish basketball as it should've been, we'll witness rise of 3 selected clubs, that'll depend on the good will of their owners, instead of actual created revenues.

If somehow somewhere there would be a bright uleb genious finally trying to understand the possibility of long term euroleague's revenues (as on average of whole EL) correlating elasticaly with revenues national championships are able to create (meaning national championships 10% increase in revenue will result in 10+% increase in revenue for euroleague)... i'd eat my underpants if it wasn't all that obscure to expect someone to actually get to such conclusion while being paid for it.
That's it for 2012... but I'll save this rant somewhere as I'm afraid it'll be as usefull in 2018 when eurolague might celebrate surpassing CSKA's budget

It is very obvious that they are copying the NBA. By picking certain teams and markets. It could not be any clearer. The problem is that someone apparently forgot to tell them that the NBA loses insane amounts of money every year. Something that even the craziest Euroleague owners would be totally shocked at.

So, basically they are copying the NBA's economic model, even though the NBA's economic model is an absolute epic disaster financially. Euroleague does not seem to have anyone with any vision. Copying the NBA model, which is proven to be economic suicide, is really strange.

 

[Billy Bounce2]

lol, I keep saying over and over again I actually do want such system even if Olimpija falls out for few seasons, that's probably the case from somewhere in 2005 or so, when Olimpija had the most out of it. Croatian or Slovenian clubs wouldn't be out of it long term - with the talent they're producing that's absurd to believe.
Top clubs should participate, no matter the country or season, as much as I respect Alba and keep them in good memory, they're in no place to receive this wild card. It's Asvel, Ulker, Pau, Benetton, Cibona, Olimpija all over again - what exactly does now euroleague has from those teams with their protection they were receiving in the past?

Btw, which results did Alba actually achieve in the last few years? they must've slipped out of my head...

If you define top clubs by their results in Euro competitions then Alba's wild card is justified ( they're above 10 other EL teams in the ranking , including A-licenced ones) , so why "they're in no place to receive this wild card" ?

You may argue then EL points=/=EC points , but taking in mind that EC has less games to play, it seems about right: EC winner Khimki has nearly the same score as EL playoffs eliminated Siena. EC runner-up Valencia could easily be in EL Top16 , so its points ~ Top16 eliminated Real Madrid

PS. Alba was EC finalist in 2009-2010 season, that's why they have so much points

 

[Billy Bounce2]

Owners aren't paying anything, if that was the case there would be a lot more Russian teams in euroleague by now.
The chosen ones are selected based on some marketability criteria developed by some classical underbrained marketing expert. I am afraid even in case of as obvious mistakes as with situation in Turkey in the past decade, Uleb won't learn a lesson and will repeat it all over again, by leaving either Galatasaray or Bešiktaš permanently out of the league, not to mention other potentially great teams within Izmir, Ankara, Bursa. Instead of growth of Turkish basketball as it should've been, we'll witness rise of 3 selected clubs, that'll depend on the good will of their owners, instead of actual created revenues.

Funny you mention Bešiktaš , because it seems they were this season "Maroussi" : signing NBA stars, pouring in huge amounts of money like there is no tomorrow, and paying for consequences the very next season:

I guess there won't be a Beşiktaş team unfortunately...

Club in a big financial crisis, and trying to clear debts which ex president, owner of Milangaz, caused.
Trying to get rid of high contracts and sell players like Quaresma, Simao, Almeyda in football.
Unless they find a sponsor, I don't think that the board can give budget to basketball.
Already some other branches had been closed...

I wish this team to stay together as didn't enjoy with a Turkish team that much for a long time but seems hard...


* That's just my opinion, no info yet...

If somehow somewhere there would be a bright uleb genious finally trying to understand the possibility of long term euroleague's revenues (as on average of whole EL) correlating elasticaly with revenues national championships are able to create (meaning national championships 10% increase in revenue will result in 10+% increase in revenue for euroleague)... i'd eat my underpants if it wasn't all that obscure to expect someone to actually get to such conclusion while being paid for it.
That's it for 2012... but I'll save this rant somewhere as I'm afraid it'll be as usefull in 2018 when eurolague might celebrate surpassing CSKA's budget

We can check your "10%" thesis on real life example: Greek clubs this season. Their EL attendance ( and revenues) are up by double digits .

I don't have attendance numbers for Greek national league games, but it seems that beside Pao-Oly games the numbers are well down.

 

[Mindozas6]

But points sytem is ridiculous. How can teams in EL and in EC get the same amounts of points for a win f.e.? In every single stage of competition? F.e. one team wins game in Top8 of EL and gets the same 2pts for it like the team, which won a game in Eurocup regular season game... Even there's more sense to win series in Top8 by 3:2, cause you'll get 6pts for wins + 2pts for losses... Not that teams would do that of course, but that's illogical. There should be some coefficient for both tournaments, different stages, which would value those wins or smth. Now we have situations that Eurocup teams are well over some EL teams, even they're surely not in reality