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EuroBasket prediction 2017

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Serbians bench in last couple years stood strong and do not blown themselfs from inside give djordjevic credit here he was able to control it.But they have tendency and history of doing that.Because of tough players characters.It will be hard to beat them on basketball court,if they will not beat themselfs in lockeroom . Both time they won silver and both times they finished 4th in group.I see interesting momentum here and see no stability .When Serbians are not clear favorites or played badly in group they overperform in playoofs,but when they win all games and group they have tendency to underperform in playoffs.In this champ they gonne be 1 of 2 main favorites ,we will see how they gonna handle that.

I have a feeling they wont reach a final this year.Even their fans you can see how optimistic and sure are that Serbia is best team in europe .
 
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Straight forward said:
Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol > Jokic, Bjelica
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When they playing together Spain ,usually wins nothing ,Jokic have schooled Pau few times this past season, I am pretty sure he can hold his own against him, especially now when Pau's career is on downside. Bjelica is not center so I don't know why you compare him with those two:confused: I know our NT with those two sharing floor together would equal to very creative basketball , it's clear that you are hater , but I would like to have our national team in full strength so they can prove wrong doubters such as you once again :rolleyes:
 
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Srle said:
When they playing together Spain ,usually wins nothing ,Jokic have schooled Pau few times this past season, I am pretty sure he can hold his own against him, especially now when Pau's career is on downside. Bjelica is not center so I don't know why you compare him with those two:confused: I know our NT with those two sharing floor together would equal to very creative basketball , it's clear that you are hater , but I would like to have our national team in full strength so they can prove wrong doubters such as you once again :rolleyes:
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So anyone who is not spitting with euphoria about how glorious current Serbian roster is, is a hater now? :rolleyes: To me Spain is a better team as of now. Very simple thing. BTW, when the last time Serbia beat Spain in the knock out stage? I can only remind you recent history of Eurobasket:
2009- Spain Gold
2011- Spain Gold
2013 - France gold (France beats Spain in semis in the over time)
2015 - Spain Gold

The last time Serbia won EB was 2001 and since than only one appearance in the final (2009) where the same Spain trashed and abused Serbia.

In Olympics again Spain competed with almighty USA while Serbia was simply swept by Americans.

I am sorry for my logic says Spain has better team at the moment...:)
 
Straight forward said:
So anyone who is not spitting with euphoria about how glorious current Serbian roster is, is a hater now? :rolleyes: To me Spain is a better team as of now. Very simple thing. BTW, when the last time Serbia beat Spain in the knock out stage? I can only remind you recent history of Eurobasket:
2009- Spain Gold
2011- Spain Gold
2013 - France gold (France beats Spain in semis in the over time)
2015 - Spain Gold

The last time Serbia won EB was 2001 and since than only one appearance in the final (2009) where the same Spain trashed and abused Serbia.

In Olympics again Spain competed with almighty USA while Serbia was simply swept by Americans.

I am sorry for my logic says Spain has better team at the moment...:)
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If you are going that far back and talking about 2009 teams etc, which basically there are 2-3 player on that are still here. You can also mention the 2010 team that beat the same Spanish monster.

Regarding the other things Srle said, I disagree with him about you being a hater. I do think though that you are wrong and are overestimating Spain. It is always like that with superteams as they get older, people think more of them then they should. I will give you an example of Serbia since 1995. In 1995 that team was in it's prime but was a bit rusty, since they haven't played together since 1991. They would've dominated much easier but they needed more time. In 1996 that team was at it's peak and it would go on downhill from there pretty much. 1997 was won on the pure willpower of Djordjevic in a very, very sloppy Eurobasket and core was already getting older. 1998 was won on the emergence of Bodiroga as the best player in Europe and a dominant performance of Rebraca on defense but play of Djordjevic, Danilovic, Savic and others was declining. All of that was evident in 1999 Eurobasket which was the swansong of that generation with a bronze medal and then 2000 Olympics fiasco. The reboot then was done with a younger team that Pesic created for 2001-2002 before internal disputes stopped the dominance of that generation.

This is how I see Spain. The peak of that Spanish team was for me in the 2012 Olympics and now the Golden Generation is on it's downturn. They did win after that in 2015 but the performances were uneven in the last 4-5 years and in general they just got hot last Eurobasket. They are bound to go down and I think it's time.
 
I think we are just expecting Pau Gasol to continue his dominance of Eurobasket but if you watched him play this past season he is not the same player anymore. I understand 2015 was just two years ago but he was coming off a monster NBA season that year.

I think 2014 Spain despite it's failure was the most talented European team of all time. I think that was their peak but in a one and done scenario we've seen great teams falter. I look at a bigger sample at how they dominated good teams in the preliminaries as a better indicator of how strong that team really was. With the home court that year that was the only USA opponent as a USA fan I actually went into a possible game thinking a loss was very possible.
 
Well Pau won't dominate forever, but everyone expected him to decline in 2015 already, but he had maybe most dominant tournament of the career, dropped 40/11/3 game against France with one of the best defensive bigs in the world Gobert. As I see things, Pau only slightly declined, he had less touches, lesser role, but he still is a very good player (FG% and 3% only increased and rebounding ratio is solid, just his minutes reduced). If it wasn't Spurs, he could go for more or less his usual numbers, IMO. I still expect him to be the best EB player in the knock out stage, unless Jokic (which I don't think happens in FIBA ball, I rather see Marc Gasol's FIBA career for him), Giannis (barely will be able to be as dominant as in NBA) or Porzingis (his team after all is not particularly a powerhouse anyway) would prevail big time. We all speculate here, but I don't think Spain will decline that fast. I mean Lull is Euroleague's MVP, people forget how good is Rodriguez who is only 31yo and can rock at FIBA ball, than Rubio is kinda peaking and he can bring things for Spain, such reserves as Hernangomez bros and Abrines will bring fresh energy for them. Serbia surely improved and they might win it all this year, but as of now, to me the safer call is Spain. I don't know who can be as dominant as Pau in the knock out stage of FIBA ball as of yet. Simply no-one. When I will witness he's obviously declined, that will be new era of Euro FIBA BB.
 
Straight forward said:
So anyone who is not spitting with euphoria about how glorious current Serbian roster is, is a hater now? :rolleyes: To me Spain is a better team as of now. Very simple thing. BTW, when the last time Serbia beat Spain in the knock out stage? I can only remind you recent history of Eurobasket:
2009- Spain Gold
2011- Spain Gold
2013 - France gold (France beats Spain in semis in the over time)
2015 - Spain Gold

The last time Serbia won EB was 2001 and since than only one appearance in the final (2009) where the same Spain trashed and abused Serbia.

In Olympics again Spain competed with almighty USA while Serbia was simply swept by Americans.

I am sorry for my logic says Spain has better team at the moment...:)
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AT the last two biggest world nt basketball competitions, this Serbian team was both time 2nd place right behind USA, that's like gold medal for the rest of the world , there is no shame being swept by USA squad which is made of who is who in the NBA league , USA also had a leverage to meet us in the group at the Olympics so there was no factor of surprise in the finals, they prepare for that game very well . Not to mention that we were missing very important player last summer. At the end Spain lost to USA, team USA was never in danger , and if they played team USA in the final , result would have been same like against Serbia Also we have played closer game against USA in the group than any team in Rio against USA squad. Spain is not any better than us last two years, last time we were playing them, we won comfortably , also it's sad that they have to use naturalize players like Mirotic or Ibaka, at least we will never stoop that low, in 2014 we have played with the bunch of players who's highest level of competition was Adriatic League. Your comments are just sad and you come across like a very sour person, but hey what can one expect from the fan base which is our arch rival in basketball:D
 
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Srle said:
AT the last two biggest world nt basketball competitions, this Serbian team was both time 2nd place right behind USA, that's like gold medal for the rest of the world , there is no shame being swept by USA squad which is made of who is who in the NBA league , USA also had a leverage to meet us in the group at the Olympics so there was no factor of surprise in the finals, they prepare for that game very well . Not to mention that we were missing very important player last summer. At the end Spain lost to USA, team USA was never in danger , and if they played team USA in the final , result would have been same like against Serbia Also we have played closer game against USA in the group than any team in Rio against USA squad. Spain is not any better than us last two years, last time we were playing them, we won comfortably , also it's sad that they have to use naturalize players like Mirotic or Ibaka, at least we will never stoop that low, in 2014 we have played with the bunch of players who's highest level of competition was Adriatic League. Your comments are just sad and you come across like a very sour person, but hey what can one expect from the fan base which is our arch rival in basketball:D
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As much wants, can respect the Serbian team, but when his fans become inadequate, it's funny.
How many Spanish and Serbian European champions and former finals have wins in the last 10 years? If the World Championship would mean silver for Europe, Serbia would be the gold medalist of the European Championships or at least silver medalist, but that's not the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket
 
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A lot of speculation and b/s here. I'll restrain from giving a comment regarding that stuff.

And as for Serbia, as far as things stand right now both Marjanovic, Bjelica and Jokic won't play even if they are in the preliminary roster.
 
So a few updates regarding Serbia.

- Jokic was given a green light from Denver to participate. It is 100% now on him whether he will come. That is good news
- The roster for the University Games was announced and three guys from the 25 roster list are on there. They were expected to be cut anyway. Dobric, Jaramaz and Davidovac are not going to Eurobasket. No surprise there.

Roster as it stands now:

PG
Milos Teodosic
Stefan Jovic
Vasilije Micic

SG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nemanja Nedovic
Marko Guduric
Dragan Milosavljevic
Branko Lazic

SF
Nikola Kalinic
Marko Simonovic
Nemanja Dangubic
Aleksa Radanov

PF
Nemanja Bjelica
Milan Macvan
Vladimir Lucic
Stefan Bircevic

C
Nikola Jokic
Boban Marjanovic
Miroslav Raduljica
Vladimir Stimac
Ognjen Kuzmic
Nikola Milutinov
 
unnamed said:
A lot of speculation and b/s here. I'll restrain from giving a comment regarding that stuff.

And as for Serbia, as far as things stand right now both Marjanovic, Bjelica and Jokic won't play even if they are in the preliminary roster.
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FFS why are you saying that and it´s not only you, there are many people who are saying that. The truth is, you don´t have a clue and nobody actually knows will they play. At least from people on the Internet. Why are you saying that, to look cool if it happens that they will not play, I mean, I don´t get, you are writing about something that you don´t know.

And you can´t say ´´both Marjanovic, Bjelica and Jokic´´ :D
 
Spain most probably will go with somethin like this:

Rubio-Chacho
Llull-Abrines-Navarro
San Emeterio-Sastre
Mirotic-Juancho
Gasol-Gasol-Willy

Rudy and Reyes have said that they are not coming. Navarro said that he will come.

PS: Pau Gasol on FIBA tournaments is probably the best player ever, a bit of respect to him 8what he did on 2015 was AMAZING).
 
Navarro is washed up and not in a position to say "i will come"..they'll propably take him because of his past achievemnts but it would be dumb as there are better and more deserving players to take his place(Vives and...ehm i cant think of anyone else but i'm sure someone exists)
 
I think that it's time for Serbia to win. But on the other hand, Teodosic can always find a way to lose...
 
I think the final list of Lithuanian basketball players will look like this:

1. L.Lukavicius, M.Kalnietis
2-3. M.Grigonis, 2.M.Gecevicius,2. A.Juskevicius
3-4. M.Kuzminskas. E.Ulanovas, J.Maciulis
4-5. D.Motiejunas. D.Sabononis
5. J.Valanchiunas, A. Gudaitis

I think possible the changes in position 2 except Grigonis, others are untouched.
 
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