Different views on food diet in International basketball

[c_fish]

The doping issue,as I recall from articles at around 2004, was about certain substances that were legally consumed by NBA standards yet were illegal to use according to FIBA rules, therefore USA threatening not to participate if their players were tested for those substances.I don't doubt that most of them (who are african americans) are superior athletically anyway but I think they get something extra from that.

Really,doesn't the cases of Mourning or Elliott (and Shaq ) seem a bit suspicious?

 

[Billy]

I apologize up front to many good European fans, but I am tired of A FEW Euro fans acting as if they invented the game because they won a few games against the US in the past few years. It is still TO BE DETERMINEDvery clear that the US is the site, and will continue to be for a long time, of the best basketball and basketball players in the world.

You have positively the dumbest posts here. (Oh, and Phelps and Armstrong have not been doping, either. Both are notorious for their insanely difficult training methods and personality types. Sorry if they are too good for your taste.)

Actually Armstrong has told reporters he used doping, he actaully admitted that himself to a US newspaper. I cant remember the substance and for how long but I remember it was during his recovery from cancer and questions were being raised about whether or not he should be allowed to use same and for how long if so.

OK, I have looked crazy long for confirmation but cant find it -take it for what its worth.

As for US players not being tested or whatever -we have had this conversation for a crazy long period now.

L E T I T R E S T!!!

These are the US basketball players who have been tested this year by USADA according to their homepage:

Carmelo Anthony, Shane Battier, Christopher Bosh, Elton Brand, Kobe Bryant, Candace Parker and Katherine Smith
Additional tests by WADA is unknown since they dont publish the info online.

Here is a quote by Craig Miller of USA basketball by way of ESPNs truehoop sportsblog:

"I sent the excerpt above to USA Basketball spokesperson Craig Miller, who is with the team in Beijing.

"This is not true," he writes.

"The only thing I think they mean is that originally NBA players were not subject to out-of-competition testing. I believe, since I got here in 1990, that all of our teams have been tested in competition. I believe since around 1998 we have also been subject to out-of-competition testing. We have been 100 percent fully compliant with USADA and WADA. In fact, last night [after the Greece game] we had a member of our team tested."

As well as this: "Miller also explains the timing of the in-competition tests: "We usually have a player or two tested randomly in the first few games, then more consistently in quarterfinals, semis, and finals. The testing is random, in that the players are determined by pulling numbers from a bag towards the end of each game.""

Just so everyone understands: This means that the entire team is subject to testing atleast once during the tournament and on occasion more than so.

Fact.

And just for the record -no, I still would not care if a US or other player got caught for using pot (I will get back to that thread soon, believe you me).

 

[cheezdoodle]

If anything its ironic for Greek people to keep talking about doping, when its the Greeks that have disgraced this Olympics more than any country by getting caught taking steroids so far. If the Americans look like super-humans, its because they are. They were weeded out of the largest pool of basketball players in the world to reach the pinnacle of their sport. Just because Europeans aren't known for having the same amazing physical traits as these monsters, doesn't mean that anyone else is cheating.

 

[paoan013]

If anything its ironic for Greek people to keep talking about doping, when its the Greeks that have disgraced this Olympics more than any country by getting caught taking steroids so far. If the Americans look like super-humans, its because they are. They were weeded out of the largest pool of basketball players in the world to reach the pinnacle of their sport. Just because Europeans aren't known for having the same amazing physical traits as these monsters, doesn't mean that anyone else is cheating.

One of the worst posts EVER!!! (---- not that far! - sariss) I believe you were so sure about your track and field "super-humans" that they were "clean". So, tell me again, why is Marion Jones in jail while she had all of her medals taken back? What about Tim Montgomery? Florence Griffith? Were they detected when they were competing? NO!!! So, was it a plot against them? Maybe the bad greeks did it

 

[Ilya]

Let's just give it a break with the doping thing, ok? And I mean everyone. I am tired of people blaming other nations either because their drugs aren't good enough and get detected or because their drugs are too good and take a few years to detect. That's not the point here and both US people and Greeks should be more reserved with their comments, because you never know who we might hear was all doped up in the Olympics (it takes some patience, we might not even find out for 5-6 years, it seems those tests take extremely long in some cases ). Let's get back to the basketball analysis.

 

[Fedfan]

If anything its ironic for Greek people to keep talking about doping, when its the Greeks that have disgraced this Olympics more than any country by getting caught taking steroids so far. If the Americans look like super-humans, its because they are. They were weeded out of the largest pool of basketball players in the world to reach the pinnacle of their sport. Just because Europeans aren't known for having the same amazing physical traits as these monsters, doesn't mean that anyone else is cheating.

Excuse me???Just because someone who happens to share the same nationality as me is doping,that means that I can't doubt and critisize other athletes for doping??

LOL

 

[Ilya]

Of course you can't. It seems we are all guilty by nation association.

I will hold my horses until 2015 though, since it takes a looooooooong time to figure out some athletes are doped up. In the meantime I can join in and accuse the Greek athletes who have been caught before competing and even managing anything and not give a damn about all the others who first take the medals and then give them back after almost a decade. Good work to WADA and to whoever is doing the tests. I just hope (and that is the God honest truth now) we don't hear about a new Thorpe-ish scandal. It would just be too much for me and I'd stop watching some of the sports altogether.

 

[Fedfan]

Of course you can't. It seems we are all guilty by nation association.

I will hold my horses until 2015 though, since it takes a looooooooong time to figure out some athletes are doped up. In the meantime I can join in and accuse the Greek athletes who have been caught before competing and even managing anything and not give a damn about all the others who first take the medals and then give them back after almost a decade. Good work to WADA and to whoever is doing the tests. I just hope (and that is the God honest truth now) we don't hear about a new Thorpe-ish scandal. It would just be too much for me and I'd stop watching some of the sports altogether.

LOL yeah..


Well,then my dear I'm sorry,but if you believe that these records,and achievements are in no way unaided better stop watching from now.Just those we see now,are using drugs not detected,or no detectable.YET.or ever.For example:There is new study data,that testosterone is not metabolised in urine,as previously thought,by a large part of the population.(all asian,a large percent of blacks,and some whites).And guess what?They use urine sample to do testosterone tests.
Call me cynic,but I can't help but raise an eyebrow when I watch many olympians.

 

[Ilya]

There is new study data,that testosterone is not metabolised in urine,as previously thought,by a large part of the population.(all asian,a large percent of blacks,and some whites).And guess what?They use urine sample to do testosterone tests.

And how would someone know in advance if they are a part of the population who don't metabolise testosterone in their urine? Could you take a test to know it for a fact?

I also thought they took blood from the athletes as well.

 

[Dtown]

One last thing about the doping, when was the last time a basketball player was caught using? I mean I've been hearing these accusations but I can't for the life of me name a player anywhere that's been caught. I just don't think Basketball is on the level of track and field, baseball, cycling, etc where there have been so many cheaters you can realistically be suspicious about anyone dominant.

 

[Ilya]

The truth is I don't see much point in anyone taking drugs in a team sport such as basketball. I really don't believe it can make winners, unlike in some of the other sports where you just face the clock.

 

[kecal]

Pathetic thread... Done with it.

 

[Fedfan]

And how would someone know in advance if they are a part of the population who don't metabolise testosterone in their urine? Could you take a test to know it for a fact?

I also thought they took blood from the athletes as well.

no,you can't know unless if you have your DNA analysed.OR you can find out if you keep getting away with all the testosterone anti-dopping tests.

Anyway,this is para-philology and I really hate conspiracy theories,so I am going to leave it at this.Just know,that this is a big hole in the system,and only discovered very recently.Cheers.

 

[c_fish]

One last thing about the doping, when was the last time a basketball player was caught using? I mean I've been hearing these accusations but I can't for the life of me name a player anywhere that's been caught. I just don't think Basketball is on the level of track and field, baseball, cycling, etc where there have been so many cheaters you can realistically be suspicious about anyone dominant.

At the 2004 olympics there was this great scandal with Kenteris and Thanou making up excuses for dodging the anti-doping test.Did you know the top 100m USA runner (sorry I dont remember his name) was supposed to be in Athens but when he was his turn to be tested he was "training" somewhere in Crete?No, he wasn't punished.

Although I don't think that this happens in lesser degree in team sports,what Jekos,the "trainer" of Kenteris and Thanou said,no matter how ironic or pompous it sounds, imo is what is really happening; A doped athlete is the athlete that was caught doped.

I'd love to take samples from ,say, Bolt today and run the tests on it after a couple of years when the anti-doping sustem has caught up with the drugs the "clean" athletes use today

 

[BigMac]

Wahh wahh wahh! Cry me a river. Every other team is getting decimated by the Americans so now the excuses have started. Oh it's because your team is doped, Team USA cheats, why do they look like monsters.

HAHAHAHAHA

I haven't heard this much sour grapes over losing in a long time.

You guys make me laugh..too funny.

 

[c_fish]

Wahh wahh wahh! Cry me a river. Every other team is getting decimated by the Americans so now the excuses have started. Oh it's because your team is doped, Team USA cheats, why do they look like monsters.

HAHAHAHAHA

I haven't heard this much sour grapes over losing in a long time.

You guys make me laugh..too funny.

You mean since "its fiba rules fault","greece's moving picks","greek playing too rough" time?

Seriously all these american posters have suddenly appeared like snails after a rain and most of your contribution to this forum limits up to "Wades dunk was fabulous","OMG we demolished them","HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA you're so funny","we rule,you suck"...
Jesus...

 

[Dtown]

At the 2004 olympics there was this great scandal with Kenteris and Thanou making up excuses for dodging the anti-doping test.Did you know the top 100m USA runner (sorry I dont remember his name) was supposed to be in Athens but when he was his turn to be tested he was "training" somewhere in Crete?No, he wasn't punished.

Although I don't think that this happens in lesser degree in team sports,what Jekos,the "trainer" of Kenteris and Thanou said,no matter how ironic or pompous it sounds, imo is what is really happening; A doped athlete is the athlete that was caught doped.

I'd love to take samples from ,say, Bolt today and run the tests on it after a couple of years when the anti-doping sustem has caught up with the drugs the "clean" athletes use today

Well I'm not denying steroid abuse happens in sports, in fact I fully expect Bolt to face accusations (fairly or unfairly) given his dominance. However I believe the talk about basketball doping is disproportionate to the number of people who have been caught, or been connected to steroids. At least when compared to other sports with tangible histories of it.

 

[damelo]

Well, Bolt doesn't exactly have the same appearance as the proved doped American athletes like Maurice Greene and Justin Gatlin(Athens guy i think). But, generally speaking, American sprint was spoilt by a few trainers, who doped their athletes. Then, they tried to get better no detectable products, and have the others disqualified for using older products of which they sent extracts to the CIO. Well, all that is about getting more money, and is shit.
Let's hope Bolt is not another junk athlete.

 

[Prometheus on fire]

Stuart (and other americans), I think you seem not to understand the main point here. Its not about how NBA players look like, its about the fact (which yet has to be proved actually) that USA is the only team which isnt tested for doping in basketball during OGs or WCs, while other teams are tested for doping. Why USA has such rights and if they dont use anything illegal why they refuse to test for it (again if its a fact they arent tested).

I agree.

 

[Unimane]

I agree.

Wow, thread revived after 2 years!

Anyway, just to put the issue to rest, here is the website that documents when USA players take doping tests http://www.usada.org/what-we-do/testing-statistics/athlete-test-history.aspx

I think there was a mix up in some of the issues surrounding NBA players taking the tests, but there's not a chance in hell that other countries would say nothing if the USA got a special agreement to not take doping tests like everyone else.