Boycott of Chinese Olympic Games

[Gytaz2]

Boycotting anything in the Olympics serves one purpose and one purpose only in China:

It rekindles Chinese nationalism and unites all Chinese behind the government to reject anything Western or perceived Western, which is already pretty obvious on the Internet.

Not your intended effect, I don't think.

It's not about effect on Chinese (everyone knows that they won't change their ways). It's about showing the world that western countries do not approve the current situation in Tibet.

No one will notice if President Bush or British Prime Minister Gordon Brown or anyone else is absent from the opening ceremonies.

The world ALREADY noticed that British PM won't be at the opening ceremony.

 

[LuDux2]

Boycotting anything in the Olympics serves one purpose and one purpose only in China:

It rekindles Chinese nationalism and unites all Chinese behind the government to reject anything Western or perceived Western, which is already pretty obvious on the Internet.

Not your intended effect, I don't think.

Like CPC needs facts to raise nationalistic feelings

 

[sinobball2]

The world ALREADY noticed that British PM won't be at the opening ceremony.

And the world also noticed that Brown will be at the closing ceremony and his "decision not to attend the opening ceremony is not aimed at sending a message of protest." Try harder, and don't assume world= West please.

Like CPC needs facts to raise nationalistic feelings

LOL now Chinese people = CCP(what is CPC?)-controlled robots. And you are talking about "facts" here? Do you even know what nationalism means?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120701186550979029.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
But as Chinese outrage explodes on the Web and among Chinese abroad, it's clear that Chinese nationalism is not just coming from the top down. It's not hard to find a Chinese person who expresses a "nationalist" view -- that Tibet is part of China, or that the Western media is biased -- but is also a vehement critic of the Communist Party. In some cases, nationalists have accused Beijing of not defending Chinese interests strongly enough.

 

[jugoplastika2]

Free Tibet!!!

 

[LuDux2]

And the world also noticed that Brown will be at the closing ceremony and his "decision not to attend the opening ceremony is not aimed at sending a message of protest."

Gordon Brown appears to have solved the dilemma on whether to join fellow Western leaders in boycotting the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics: he has decided that he was never going to go in the first place.
..
A Downing Street spokeswoman said that Mr Brown had never said that he would go. "There is no change in our position," she said.

Mr Brown was less clear, however, during President Sarkozy's recent state visit and at a Downing Street press conference last week, when he was asked about the French leader's boycott threat. He said: "I think President Sarkozy said himself that he expected Britain, because we are going to host the next Olympics, to be present at the Olympic ceremonies and I will certainly be there."


And Brown is bad example because he has to take Olympic flame as host of 2012 OG

Try harder, and don't assume world= West please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu#2008_Olympics

LOL now Chinese people = CCP(what is CPC?)-controlled robots. And you are talking about "facts" here? Do you even know what nationalism means?

Nationalist: my country is right
Patriot: my country, right or wrong

Patriots stood before tanks, nationalists applauded tanks

 

[sinobball2]

Free Tibet!!!

Do me a favor, when you protest, make sure you don't embarass yourself like these idiots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu#2008_Olympics

Great, someone who preaches Western religion for a living, who received all degrees in England is really representative of the rest of the world. Never mind he was condemned by his own country's student congress. Try harder.

How about

Nationalist: my country is right
Patriot: my country, right or wrong

Patriots stood before tanks, nationalists applauded tanks

Interesting definitions, but clearly not the ones commonly used in English language

Patriotism is closely associated with nationalism, and the terms are often used synonymously. Strictly speaking, nationalism is an ideology - but it often promotes patriotic attitudes as desirable and appropriate.

 

[ArkadiosV22]

Nationalist: my country is right
Patriot: my country, right or wrong

Patriots stood before tanks, nationalists applauded tanks

In which category do you classify yourself?

 

[LuDux2]

Great, someone who preaches Western religion for a living, who received all degrees in England is really representative of the rest of the world. Never mind he was condemned by his own country's student congress.

For speaking out against corruption

Try harder.

How about

Who are they?

millitary.china.com, uh? I wonder what's their position on hotlinking

 

[sinobball2]

military.china.com is a non-governmental website with a forum, yes it is nationalistic and is particularly active recently thanks to fools like the Westerners who want to free Tibet but don't even know where Tibet is, just like the author of your picture, who can't even properly spell "TiAn An Men" in a laughable attempt to criticize China.

 

[rikhardur2]

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but sinobball, you have to understand that none of the criticizers here are against China itself and the Chinese people. They are against a political system, that's it. It's politics being discussed, not a people or a country. That divison should be clear. If you support China's political system, then that's another matter, but please understand the angle of the discussion.

 

[LuDux2]

military.china.com is a non-governmental website with a forum, yes it is nationalistic and is particularly active recently thanks to fools like the Westerners who want to free Tibet but don't even know where Tibet is, just like the author of your picture, who can't even properly spell "TiAn An Men" in a laughable attempt to criticize China.

It's from Simpsons episode

So, what China's textbooks says about Tiān'ānmén Shìjiàn?






dangerous

 

[LuDux2]

military.china.com is a non-governmental website with a

millitary.china.com obviously is part of www.china.com, quite funny site BTW

Dalai clique's lies
"...We know that a few hundred Chinese soldiers have been dressed like monks." (Source: newKerala.com)

The truth
Witnesses found to disprove allegation of police joining Lhasa riot as "monks"

Two witnesses have been found in Tibet who disproved an allegation of Chinese People's Armed Police(PAP) servicemen joined the March 14 Lhasa riots wearing monk's robes.
http://english.china.com/zh_cn/news/china/11020307/20080410/14777799.html

2 witnesses in whole Tibet? Somebody's slacking at the job (or maybe tries to hard)

 

[sinobball2]

2 witnesses in whole Tibet? Somebody's slacking at the job (or maybe tries to hard)

Apparently you didnt read the whole story. Here's an update for you even if you cant trust articles written by Chinese.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=3c8917ef-76dd-4731-89d1-1286641c4e51

In the disinformation category is the above picture, which has appeared in many anti-Beijing and right-wing publications. It shows Chinese People's Liberation Army soldiers carrying Tibetan monks' robes with unusually short, monk-like haircuts. The accompanying stories say the picture was taken by a British intelligence agency and proves that the violence in Lhasa was triggered by PLA soldiers posing as monks.

Well, that's bunk. The picture actually shows PLA soldiers drafted as extras to play monks in the movie A World Without Thieves, filmed in Tibet in 2003 and released in 2004. This has been confirmed by the exile organization Tibetan Centre for Human Rights, which used the picture on the cover of its 2003 annual report.

 

[sinobball2]

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but sinobball, you have to understand that none of the criticizers here are against China itself and the Chinese people. They are against a political system, that's it. It's politics being discussed, not a people or a country. That divison should be clear.

With due respect I don't see the word "communism" mentioned too many times, if at all, in the thread. I'm pretty sure the words USSR, North Korea etc. did not even occur. Maybe "they" are originally against a political system, but they are also intentionally or unintentionally against Chinese people (definitely against China itself, no matter how you interpret the word). Remember: Chinese Olympics is not just about the Chinese government, it is also about the Chinese people. In reality divisions like these can never be clear, as we are human beings and we like to generalize and simplify to our likings.

I am not here to fight anyone. I have occasionally used the simple word "Westerners" to express frustration, but I mean no harm. Sticking with Confucius' "Dont do to others what you don't like done to you" motto, I have not attacked other nations like certain posters here like to do. I have avoided difficult and dark past from other nation's history, even with repeated provocations. Like most posters here I joined the forum four years ago to engage in a global community, as I, like many, believe that sports unites people. It is unfortunate that politics have to divide us, especially when it invades the land of sports, uninvitingly.

 

[Straight forward2]

sinobball, please cut the crap. You're way to sensitive about your...STATE! Even radical anarchists from Europe are nor saying fukc USA people (mostly), they are saying fukc USA governement, fukc the state and not the country. This is all about politics...and more over, if you so sensitive about people, where this stuff is gone when we talk about the blood of Tibet?

 

[damelo2]

Well, basically, this thread was about boycotting the OGs in order to protest against Chinese regime or not. Not about attacking a country, etc... or somebody.

In French, we write Tien An Men... but I guess it's just because phonetics are little different. And, I think Mandarin in Latin alphabet may not have AN exact spelling as it is just a phonetic transcription. Like Greeks names... (Ntikoudis=Dikoudis)

In which category do you classify yourself?

Personally, not even as patriot
I answered so the question was not written in vain...


Also, I don't think China is really socialist, I think it's just a socialist dictatorship, but communism as it was first thought was about ending any form of government. Much like was USSR, or is North Korea. But, nowadays, well, North Korea doesn't frighten anybody much, or has any power on the international scene, whereas China, obviously, yes. Also, China doesn't respect the rights to people to chose their country. I mean this way to explain Taiwan's case or Tibet. I think if Tibetans really want to be independent, they should be allowed to that, whether historically they were part of China or not. Same for Xinjang.

About Americans not knowing where Tibet is, well, can you say exactly where is North Dakota? In Europe too, we use to think they are fools for not knowing where France is, etc, but, honestly, USA is a very big country, like China, so, I can understand each of American doesn't know all the countries in the world. Their protest is about freedom, and against "communism", they are there to defend their ideas, what's wrong?

 

[ArkadiosV22]

About Americans not knowing where Tibet is, well, can you say exactly where is North Dakota?

Yes, I know where it is.

But the question is totally wrong, because if you ask European where North Dakota is then ask the Americans where Kozani is...

And if someone is ought to go out there and bust everyone's balls about Tibet, he better know where it is, at least...

 

[rikhardur2]

With due respect I don't see the word "communism" mentioned too many times, if at all, in the thread. I'm pretty sure the words USSR, North Korea etc. did not even occur. Maybe "they" are originally against a political system, but they are also intentionally or unintentionally against Chinese people (definitely against China itself, no matter how you interpret the word). Remember: Chinese Olympics is not just about the Chinese government, it is also about the Chinese people. In reality divisions like these can never be clear, as we are human beings and we like to generalize and simplify to our likings.

All right then, perhaps it's the way I perceive things, I totally make a clear distinction. Confusion between a people and the political system (among other things) is common though.

 

[sinobball2]

You're way to sensitive.... they are saying fukc USA governement, fukc the state and not the country.

Don't kid yourself. I've been in US long enough to know that while Americans criticize their government, nobody will dare say "FUCK USA/AMERICAN GOVERNMENT" or anything like that without some consequences, especially foreigners. How about you create a thread of that title and see the reactions of our American members here.

I don't understand your last sentence BTW.

Also, China doesn't respect the rights to people to chose their country. I mean this way to explain Taiwan's case or Tibet. I think if Tibetans really want to be independent, they should be allowed to that, whether historically they were part of China or not. Same for Xinjang.

Here's my take, since I'm pretty sure I know China more than all of you. Now Chinese people are not satisfied with the government on many levels. Corruption is the biggest complaint, followed by complaints of layoffs, lack of health care, retirement benefits, etc (i.e. a call for socialism). Rights to speech etc -- only intellectuals care. But I can safely say this: Tibetan Independence and Taiwan Independence and Xinjiang Independence have 0, nil support anywhere among non-Taiwanese non-Uighur non-Tibetan Chinese. NONE. Like I mentioned above, Chinese nationalism overrides the dissatisfaction with the government AT ALL TIMES, quite likely due to Western "Interference". In fact, if you ever picked up the Falun Gong dissident newspaper abroad (BTW, strangely the only free large scale Chinese newspaper in the US..) and read their pages full of attacks on the Chinese Communist Party, you will see that one of their attacks on the CCP is that the CCP has allowed Mongolian Independence by not attacking (and "reclaiming") Mongolia in 1950 like it did with Tibet and thus "sold out the motherland" to Russian/Soviet pressures.

Since this thread is still in the "basketball" section, let me get on topic

 

[Vasileios Spanoulis2]

The United States is much worse right now than China is and they are talking about boycotting? It's absolutely comical.