Basketball Players that have played for both PAO+OLY

[Khalid802]

I have always been amazed at the intensity of the rivalry between PAO+Oly and the amount of emotions being shown when these 2 teams play against each other and that's why I can't imagine what it would be like if someone was involved in both organizations (as coach Giannakis for example )

My question here is who r the names that have played for both Panathinaikos+Olympiakos (both local and foreign players)?
And were any of these players loved by the fans of both these teams (before and after they transferred)?

I don't know much but I think the Serbian player, Zarko Paspalj, played for both Oly+PAO in the early 90's.

 

[CG2]

add nikos ekonomou,Alexander Volkov,Dimitris Papanikolaou,Nikos Bountouris,

 

[Khalid802]

add nikos ekonomou,Alexander Volkov,Dimitris Papanikolaou,Nikos Bountouris,

Thanks. I didn't know Papanikolaou previously played with Oly.
It seems he would know the most about the rivalry since he played with Oly for 7 seasons (95-02) and then with PAO for 4 seasons (03-07).

 

[FRANKY 132]

dino radja , johnny rodgers ...

 

[Victorious2]

Zizic was the last one.

 

[mvblair2]

dino radja , johnny rodgers ...

Radja played for Olympiacos? When did that happen?

 

[Marble2]

Radja played for Olympiacos? When did that happen?

I think it was the '00-'01 season..
Arian Komazec has also played for both teams (and for AEK in fact), so has Patrik Femerling.

 

[ArnoldPettybone2]

Damir Mulaomerovic.

 

[CG2]

so many
rival my ass

 

[Khalid802]

so many
rival my ass

So were any of these players still loved or respected by their previous teams after they left?

What would ur reaction be if "may God forbid" Diamantidis left PAO and joined Oly? (I know this will never happen but let's assume it did )

Would u still like the guy or eventually despise him like what many PAO fans have for coach Giannakis after he joined Oly?

 

[Sebby2]

What I know is I loved Papanikolaou but hated him to death when he joined PAO. Then again, Oikonomou was in PAO and then joined Oly but the only thing that changed is that I hated him more since after.

 

[Olympiakos2]

What would ur reaction be if "may God forbid" Diamantidis left PAO and joined Oly? (I know this will never happen but let's assume it did )

Diamantidis's case was the proof of the miserable situation that was taking place in Olympiakos. Basically we had (I think he still owns a percentage) a president who gave up (literally) the basketball team after 1997 without intention to sell it to others investors who surely existed around, in order to focus and invest on football, and who wasn't willing to pay 2 pennies more to get him from Iraklis. Don't ask me why, or why he did not sell, what I know (and probably he knows) is that he carries the full responsibility of what happened for a whole decade

 

[ArnoldPettybone2]

Basically we had (I think he still owns a percentage) a president who gave up (literally) the basketball team after 1997 without intention to sell it to others investors who surely existed around, in order to focus and invest on football, and who wasn't willing to pay 2 pennies more to get him from Iraklis. Don't ask me why, or why he did not sell, what I know (and probably he knows) is that he carries the full responsibility of what happened for a whole decade

How is that? from 1997-2001 olympiacos still had a constant 15-20 mil $/year budget. Two seasons with homecourt advantage in the league.
What was the budget in the "glory years" (1993-1997)? I don't recall it being much higher.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

Diamantidis's case was the proof of the miserable situation that was taking place in Olympiakos. Basically we had (I think he still owns a percentage) a president who gave up (literally) the basketball team after 1997 without intention to sell it to others investors who surely existed around, in order to focus and invest on football, and who wasn't willing to pay 2 pennies more to get him from Iraklis. Don't ask me why, or why he did not sell, what I know (and probably he knows) is that he carries the full responsibility of what happened for a whole decade

A myth. And then a second myth.

Olympiakos played in a F4 in 1999 and in the A1 final in 2002. Kokkalis (the president you are refering to) stopped pooring money in Olympiakos in the season 2002-03, exactly when Panathinaikos significally decreased it's budget as well. Olympiakos was really out of the picture just for 3 seasons.

As for Diamantidis, it is true that PAO got him for 30.000 euro more. But what makes you so sure that if Olympiakos had offered these 30.000 euro, PAO would have stood still and not offer even more, since Obradovic really wanted the player? It wouldn't be the first time that PAO offered more for the same player nor the last...

 

[KWSN-Men2]

How is that? from 1997-2001 olympiacos still had a constant 15-20 mil $/year budget. Two seasons with homecourt advantage in the league.
What was the budget in the "glory years" (1993-1997)? I don't recall it being much higher.

It's how Olympiakos fans and press justify that PAO is dominating. We are not winning, they let us win.

 

[Olympiakos2]

A myth. And then a second myth.

Olympiakos played in a F4 in 1999 and in the A1 final in 2002. Kokkalis (the president you are refering to) stopped pooring money in Olympiakos in the season 2002-03, exactly when Panathinaikos significally decreased it's budget as well. Olympiakos was really out of the picture just for 3 seasons.

He was gradually closing the business after 1997. You just refer to the 2002 final only to make it look prettier but basically until 1999 then he decided to give you the space to create the team you have now. So in the end you have to give credit also to Mr. Kokkalis being a major contributor for your dominance. The 3 "out of picture" seasons is correct but even if thereafter the team became more stable with the Aggelopoulos brothers taking over still those drained years due to Kokkalis have a negative effect even today.

I can't see any myth...

As for Diamantidis, it is true that PAO got him for 30.000 euro more. But what makes you so sure that if Olympiakos had offered these 30.000 euro, PAO would have stood still and not offer even more, since Obradovic really wanted the player? It wouldn't be the first time that PAO offered more for the same player nor the last...

I'm not discussing whether Obradovic wanted Diamantidis more, or less than our coach, nobody knows afterall. What I know is that our president was stingy to bid and lost the player for some thousands.

So where is the myth? The myth is the "IF" you are are refering to which has no meaning.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

He was gradually closing the business after 1997. You just refer to the 2002 final only to make it look prettier but basically until 1999 then he decided to give you the space to create the team you have now. So in the end you have to give credit also to Mr. Kokkalis being a major contributor for your dominance. The 3 "out of picture" seasons is correct but even if thereafter the team became more stable with the Aggelopoulos brothers taking over still those drained years due to Kokkalis have a negative effect even today.

I can't see any myth...

Yet in 2001 Euroleague Olympiakos finishes with 7-3 in Euroleague regular season, advanced in the final 8 and has Dino Radja on their roster. In 2002 Olympiakos goes 10-4 in Euroleague regular season and 4-2 in Top16. But no, Kokkalis had abandoned the team.

Even in 1998 and 1999 he had abandoned Olympiakos. Nobody won anything, Olympiakos lost it. Even the F4 in 1999, it's Kokkalis' fault, Olympiakos lost it, Zalgiris didn't win it.

How convenient, he started closing the business right when PAO started dominating. And it was Kokkalis that made Panathinaikos 2nd (after CSKA) in most wins in the history of Euroleague (proof available on request).

BTW, do you remember when Ioannidis was coaching AEK and Olympiakos lost a game and issued a press release saying "we know mr Ioannidis and his mafia ways"? Maybe Ioannidis and his mafia gone from Olympiakos had more to do with it, as your team admitted on their own?

I'm not discussing whether Obradovic wanted Diamantidis more, or less than our coach, nobody knows afterall. What I know is that our president was stingy to bid and lost the player for some thousands.

So where is the myth? The myth is the "IF" you are are refering to which has no meaning.

The myth is that the bad president lost the player for some thousands. Teams ALWAYS lose players to other teams for some thousands. The thing is that PAO's presidents were ALWAYS outbiding (and still are) Olympiakos for any player they wanted. If Olympiakos had offered more money, PAO would have offered even more. How do we know this? This is what history shows (even after the Aggelopoulos brothers came to Olympiakos).

 

[Olympiakos2]

You understand and admit whatever you wanna understand and admit. Anyway you heard me.

Oh, and I'm sure PAO bosses can outbid OSFP bosses like they do not exist. Afterall, the most expensive transfer in the history of european basketball was made by PAO.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

You understand and admit whatever you wanna understand and admit. Anyway you heard me.

Oh, and I'm sure PAO bosses can outbid OSFP bosses like they do not exist. Afterall, the most expensive transfer in the history of european basketball was made by PAO.

Sure it was. Dominique Wilkins.

As for the rest, neutral fans agree with me and you don't answer with facts, just with an opinion so...

 

[T.W.Is.M.2]

Sure it was. Dominique Wilkins.

As for the rest, neutral fans agree with me and you don't answer with facts, just with an opinion so...

Did he get $20M for 3 years???
And do u really believe that if Aggelopoulos bros want 2 outbid any Greek owner, they will not do it?
Where u really have a point is about the 1997-2002 period. The bball team of Olympiacos wasn't abandoned. Several other mistakes had been made and the team stayed far from titles. The decrease of the budget in the summer of 2002 indeed happened 2 both clubs. Actually it was applied 2 all clubs, some of them because of the preparations 4 the Olympic Games that forced them 2 move 2 smaller arenas. But the initial step backwards among top clubs was made by Olympiacos and Panathinaikos followed. There was no need 4 PAO 2 spend more money in order 2 win the Greek league when the main contenders(Olympiacos and AEK at that time) were lowering their own budgets drastically. U know very well that Giannakopoulos bros don't care about the profit when it comes 2 Panathinaikos. So the lower income from the arena wasn't the only factor that made them decrease the budget. Not 2 mention that Giannakopoulos still had the same interest 4 the team during that period. They decided 2 depend more on Greek players and on their coach. So when they saw that these weren't enough 2 bring them 2 the top of Europe, they decided 2 spend again more. After 2004 they had the advantage of playing in OAKA again, so it was easier 4 them 2 increase their budget again.