2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[Giannis34GOD]

It's either guys here are too young or have short memories. In the 2008 Olympics, Spain went down the wire with a loaded US team and needed a mamba-like Kobe to win. And even before that Redeem Team, sending ill-prepared US teams was no longer enough as they already regularly lost.

Just last Olympics, France beat the US before the knock-out stages and then only lost by 5 in the finals.

Because there still quality Americans will replace them before... From Jordan, Bird and Magic in 1992 to Barkley, Miller and Robinson in 1996 to Carter, KG and Allen in 2000 to Kobe, Bron and Wade in 2008 to Kobe, Bron and KD in 2012 to Melo, KD and Kyrie in 2016 and last one of KD, Bron and Steph in 2024... If you look the quality of players of before and the future is huge... It's a huge drop from KD, Bron and Steph to possible 2028 team of Edwards, Tatum and Haliburton (or Brown)... The quality players who are being handled by Americans in past is now international players.. the next KD is international is Wemby, the next Bron is Giannis and the next Curry is SGA or Luka..

 

[Metta]

Because they say that this is not the best line-up without KD, LeBron and Curry on it. Now, even within these three, US looked vulnerable that they have to rely on the superb performances of the these three to win games. In 2028, US will no longer have Kobe, KD, LeBron and Curry to rely on. I don't see anyone that have the quality of these players in the current generation of US players.

My point was about people claiming that the world has now caught up. They have caught up with the US years before. The invincibility has been gone.

The wins in 2008, in 2021 and this year could have very-probably flipped the other way with an unlucky bounce or two.

 

[Giannis34GOD]

My projected line-up for Canada in 2028:

- Clarke (32) - 6'9
- Birch (36) - 6'9
- Boucher (35) - 6'9
- Lyles (33) - 6'9
- Wiggins (34) - 6'8
- SGA (30) - 6'7
- Brooks (32) - 6'6
- Barrett (28) - 6'6
- Sharpe (25) - 6'5
- Murray (31) - 6'4
- Dort (29) - 6'4
- Nembhard (28) - 6'3

Veteran-laiden squad with only 4 players are younger than 30.

How about Germany and Serbia? I think they are still intact.. Germany should add Hartenstein and Kleber to strengthen their line up.. while Serbia still strong as long as Jokic is there.. I think one team that we should look out in 2027 and 2028 cycle is Bahamas.. I think they are the next team who will be in the course of being contenders in international basketball

 

[Giannis34GOD]

My point was about people claiming that the world has now caught up. They have caught up with the US years before. The invincibility has been gone.

The wins in 2008, in 2021 and this year could have very-probably flipped the other way with an unlucky bounce or two.

Yes they are... Before even they bring their C team they can win World cup or Olympics in a blowout fashion.. but not this time... They have to bring best players to win gold...

 

[greenarcher]

My point was about people claiming that the world has now caught up. They have caught up with the US years before. The invincibility has been gone.

The wins in 2008, in 2021 and this year could have very-probably flipped the other way with an unlucky bounce or two.

Look at the other participants of 2008 versus the ones today. The reps from Africa and Asia at that time were easily demolished by their opponents.

Yes Spain was at USA's level, Argentina and Lithuania were OK. But the rest of the world were no where near where they are today. Even the other European countries were mediocre at best.

 

[Metta]

Look at the other participants of 2008 versus the ones today. The reps from Africa and Asia at that time were easily demolished by their opponents.

Yes Spain was at USA's level, Argentina and Lithuania were OK. But the rest of the world were no where near where they are today. Even the other European countries were mediocre at best.

So when you say the world has caught up...you actually mean the whole world? Not just a few countries?

I'm not prepared to say that. Just like it has been, only a few countries are capable of beating a well-prepared/constructed team USA.

 

[reamily]

Watching the game now, France got the spain treatment..it was a more of a showcase game..

 

[greenarcher]

So when you say the world has caught up...you actually mean the whole world? Not just a few countries?

I'm not prepared to say that. Just like it has been, only a few countries are capable of beating a well-prepared/constructed team USA.

I mean each continent can now send a representative that can compete with the best of the best. No more 30-50 point blowouts.

 

[reamily]

Again for a team like canada they need a month or so training camp( or a tim cone like incremental one) to integrate murray in their scheme of things.. the elite teams, us serbia and germany fully utilized the 3 point shot as weapon( even france does) and canada were unable to utilize it?

 

[Giannis34GOD]

So when you say the world has caught up...you actually mean the whole world? Not just a few countries?

I'm not prepared to say that. Just like it has been, only a few countries are capable of beating a well-prepared/constructed team USA.

Before, there are atleast 3 countries who have legit chance to beat USA.. but now I see 10-12 teams who have chance to upset team USA...

 

[Giannis34GOD]

I mean each continent can now send a representative that can compete with the best of the best. No more 30-50 point blowouts.

True.. the worst team in the Olympics is Puerto Rico, who just upset Lithuania in OQT... Lithuania could have been better pick than Puerto Rico but they lose... Japan's performance this year is already on the level of 2008 China led by Yao Ming... There are also very good teams who are not in the Olympics (Bahamas, Latvia, Slovenia, Croatia, etc...), South Sudan's performance is the best ever in an African representative history... So yes, the international competitions is better right now compare before

 

[CoJ]

Boxing in danger of not being included in 2028

https://www.reuters.com/sports/olym...es-be-decided-next-year-iocs-bach-2024-08-09/

 

[Silent Killer]

From Twitter

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The future looks bright for the French national team

Victor Wembanyama - 1⃣st Pick of NBA Draft 2023
Bilal Coulibaly- 7⃣th Pick of NBA Draft 2023
Zaccharie Risacher- 1⃣st Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Alex Sarr- 2⃣nd Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Tidjane Salaun- 6⃣th Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Pacome Dadiet- 2⃣5⃣th Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Nolan Traore - Projected Top 10 Pick of NBA Draft 2025
Noa Essengue - Projected 1st Round Pick of NBA Draft 2025
Zacharie Perrin - Projected 1st Round Pick of NBA Draft 2025​

 

[TheRodster21]

Again for a team like canada they need a month or so training camp( or a tim cone like incremental one) to integrate murray in their scheme of things.. the elite teams, us serbia and germany fully utilized the 3 point shot as weapon( even france does) and canada were unable to utilize it?

Canada struggled shooting the ball, not having an inside threat makes it harder since teams can focus more on the perimeter with their defense, having an inside threat opens up the offense more

 

[Giannis34GOD]

From Twitter

BasketNews

The future looks bright for the French national team

Victor Wembanyama - 1⃣st Pick of NBA Draft 2023
Bilal Coulibaly- 7⃣th Pick of NBA Draft 2023
Zaccharie Risacher- 1⃣st Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Alex Sarr- 2⃣nd Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Tidjane Salaun- 6⃣th Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Pacome Dadiet- 2⃣5⃣th Pick of NBA Draft 2024
Nolan Traore - Projected Top 10 Pick of NBA Draft 2025
Noa Essengue - Projected 1st Round Pick of NBA Draft 2025
Zacharie Perrin - Projected 1st Round Pick of NBA Draft 2025​

That's why France is very lucky that they already have replacements for Batum, Fournier, De Colo and Gobert.. those 4 we might saw their last games wearing France jersey.. maybe those young players might debut (except for Coulibaly and Wemby) in next year's EuroBasket... With Wemby lead the charge, they will be the primary team to challenge team USA in 2027 world cup and 2028 Olympics... This is what Spain and Argentina didn't manage to have replacements for their past golden generation.. their new players are not as good as their predecessors....

 

[Giannis34GOD]

It's official.. Philippines is the best ASEAN finisher for 2 straight Olympics, with 2 golds and 2 bronze.. beating Indonesia and Thailand... We are rank number 36 (tied with Hong Kong) in the world and 8th among Asian teams... Meanwhile battle between USA and China for overall medal tally is very intense until final day... China have 40 golds while USA have 38 golds.. but USA still have chance to surpass China.. they need only 2 golds to beat China again...

 

[lem0nadi]

It's official.. Philippines is the best ASEAN finisher for 2 straight Olympics, with 2 golds and 2 bronze.. beating Indonesia and Thailand... We are rank number 36 (tied with Hong Kong) in the world and 8th among Asian teams... Meanwhile battle between USA and China for overall medal tally is very intense until final day... China have 40 golds while USA have 38 golds.. but USA still have chance to surpass China.. they need only 2 golds to beat China again...

The ASEAN countries should remove the non-olympics sports in SEA games TBH. Look at how Vietnam dominating every SEA Games but can't even get a medal for the past 2 Olympics.

It also applies when we are the host.

Nobody plays Sepak Takraw, Arnis in Olympics.

 

[Giannis34GOD]

The ASEAN countries should remove the non-olympics sports in SEA games TBH. Look at how Vietnam dominating every SEA Games but can't even get a medal for the past 2 Olympics.

It also applies when we are the host.

Nobody plays Sepak Takraw, Arnis in Olympics.

True... Look at Vietnam, they are back to back overall champs in seagames but they are also back to back medal less performance in Olympics.. it shows how seagames become joke these days... Last seagames in Cambodia they mockering the rules by allowing multiple naturalized in all sports.. that's the reason I don't care what our standings in seagames medal tally... The focus should be in 2026 Asian games, we should break that 4 gold medal barrier that last time we achieve more than 4 golds was way beyond 1962 Jakarta games, where Philippines grabbed 7 gold medals.. I think we have a chance to break that barrier and maybe surpass 7 gold medals... My possible gold medal haul in Asian games are:

Weightlifting
Pole Vaulting (Obiena is unmatched here in Asia)
Golf
Gymnastics (Yulo alone might grab 3 or more golds)
Wushu (we won 2 golds last edition here)
Billiards
Boxing (I hope no more home cooking results)
Basketball (I hope we win again to show to the haters that basketball can give us achievements, hello Agot Isidro)

 

[Rds]

The ASEAN countries should remove the non-olympics sports in SEA games TBH. Look at how Vietnam dominating every SEA Games but can't even get a medal for the past 2 Olympics.

It also applies when we are the host.

Nobody plays Sepak Takraw, Arnis in Olympics.

I actually like watching Sepak Takraw. It’s an Asean sport. Unfortunately, it seems to be too hard. It’s almost like gymnastics in how dangerous some of its moves seem to be.

 

[CoJ]

Speaking of new events, how in the blue hell did australia qualify for women's break dancing