• Since we moved our URL please clear your browsers history and cookies and try logging in again. Thank you and sorry for any inconvenience
  • Since we moved our URL please clear your browsers history and cookies and try logging in again. Thank you and sorry for any inconvenience

2011 fiba asia champions cup - phil section

  • Thread starter Thread starter acklium2
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Oh i thought you were joking on that part :eek: Most of the basketball coaches wont agree or they will disapprove a player shooting 3 in a fastbreak..unless its 100% success!

Yeah, high-flying slasher like samboy lim is now a thing of the past, a taller version could have been a great gift from heaven ;)

if you noticed, through the tournament, so many broken runs, so many layups missed during fastbreaks.

i like a gilas play where on a 3 on 2 or 3 on 1 they kickout the ball out to an open man in the wing for the three.
 
if you noticed, through the tournament, so many broken runs, so many layups missed during fastbreaks.

i like a gilas play where on a 3 on 2 or 3 on 1 they kickout the ball out to an open man in the wing for the three.

9/10 times..I'd still go for a layup on a fastbreak. I'd only go for a 3 point shot if it's the dying seconds or it is a desperation shot of sorts.

it's a basic thing in basketball, whenever guarding a transition offense or fastbreak, the defensive man should always position himself under the basket.. "for the reason that, layups are higher percentage shots, let/force the attacker/s take the perimeter shot instead"

anyways, much had been said about Gilas..congratulations to Lebanon, and to the basketball legend Fadi El-Khatib..the speed wasn't there anymore, but jeez, the talent and the composure was still there..he still showed who's the best Small Forward of Asia (as far as this FACC is concerned)...too bad Samad Nikkah ran out of gas. :p
 
if you noticed, through the tournament, so many broken runs, so many layups missed during fastbreaks.

i like a gilas play where on a 3 on 2 or 3 on 1 they kickout the ball out to an open man in the wing for the three.

Hmmnnn why do you think, smart gilas opted to do that..kicking the ball out when in fact they have the advantage in number..or maybe because during fastbreak, a taller defender underneath the basket was an intimidating factor and like you said..a creative slasher like samboy lim no longer exist to finish strong to the hoops in fastbreak plays over a defending bigger opponent .
 
Basketball is a tall man's game.

jabbar
russell
chaimberlain
shaq
duncan
those guys are the most dominant force that ever stepped on a basketball court.
Except MJ. Well because he is Micheal fvcking Jordan.

Most of the succesful basketball teams were led by a bigman(again except MJ).
A dominant bigman is always a must in basketball.
 
9/10 times..I'd still go for a layup on a fastbreak. I'd only go for a 3 point shot if it's the dying seconds or it is a desperation shot of sorts.

it's a basic thing in basketball, whenever guarding a transition offense or fastbreak, the defensive man should always position himself under the basket.. "for the reason that, layups are higher percentage shots, let/force the attacker/s take the perimeter shot instead"

anyways, much had been said about Gilas..congratulations to Lebanon, and to the basketball legend Fadi El-Khatib..the speed wasn't there anymore, but jeez, the talent and the composure was still there..he still showed who's the best Small Forward of Asia (as far as this FACC is concerned)...too bad Samad Nikkah ran out of gas. :p

i'd say 5/10 i'd go for the open 3.

sure, a layup is a higher percentage shot. but not if a speedy 6'7 guy is coming after you from behind ready to swat your shot.

long shots, mean long rebounds and there's always a higher chance of small players getting long rebounds and loose balls

pero in practice naman, in shooting drills, pros can bury 9 out 10 shots from 3pts. so parang layup na rin yun.
 
true.

fortunately, we have them... just not good enough.

oh, we have good small men too... just not playing the right positions. ;)

yes, correct myself - skillful big men.

Thing is due to our genes, we don't have the luxury of having a pool of them bigs to choose from. There's another prospect, your province mate I guess but I don't think he and his handlers are interested for some reason or another but I don't blame anybody.

A skilled small man will always be beaten by a skilled taller opponent, as we no longer have the monopoly of skills.

Korea is a great 3-point shooting team, but they can only go as much.
 
i'd say 5/10 i'd go for the open 3.

sure, a layup is a higher percentage shot. but not if a speedy 6'7 guy is coming after you from behind ready to swat your shot.

long shots, mean long rebounds and there's always a higher chance of small players getting long rebounds and loose balls

pero in practice naman, in shooting drills, pros can bury 9 out 10 shots from 3pts. so parang layup na rin yun.

I'm just stating my knowledge of basic basketball. suit yourself sir. :cool:
 
Matalo -manalo ang Gilas, Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! :)

Trans: Win or Lose, Long live the Philippines!
 
I'm just stating my knowledge of basic basketball. suit yourself sir. :cool:

yeah, i know that's basic sir.

but for the philippines to succeed, it needs to be more than basic.

(basic tayo. basic sila. talo pa rin tayo kasi pandak tayo :D)
 
Matalo -manalo ang Gilas, Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! :)

Trans: Win or Lose, Long live the Philippines!

ganyan ang spirit. I wish we're on the same balangay here.

anyways, the tournament has been concluded. Close this thread mods, before trolls flock in here with different alternicks. :eek:
 
i'd say 5/10 i'd go for the open 3.

sure, a layup is a higher percentage shot. but not if a speedy 6'7 guy is coming after you from behind ready to swat your shot.

long shots, mean long rebounds and there's always a higher chance of small players getting long rebounds and loose balls

pero in practice naman, in shooting drills, pros can bury 9 out 10 shots from 3pts. so parang layup na rin yun.

what about a floater or tear drop? this shot can't be easily stopped even by tall defenders. a backdoor play is also hard to defend. i've seen casio make some awesome floaters. imho, the other guards should perfect this move as well. on the other hand, the backdoor play's got to be the most misunderstood play by the gilas players. it's just a very simple method, really. but gilas boys tend to focus on the showmanship too much that's why they botch this play a lot. bottomline is that the guys should learn to score more near the basket. if they get lucky, they might even fish a foul.
 
what about a floater or tear drop? this shot can't be easily stopped even by tall defenders. a backdoor play is also hard to defend. i've seen casio make some awesome floaters. imho, the other guards should perfect this move as well. on the other hand, the backdoor play's got to be the most misunderstood play by the gilas players. it's just a very simple method, really. but gilas boys tend to focus on the showmanship too much that's why they botch this play a lot. bottomline is that the guys should learn to score more near the basket. if they get lucky, they might even fish a foul.

si casio lang yata ang creative with that type of a shot.

the pinoy ball player is supposed to be creative. we're losing that art and di na pinoy lang ang creative.

nakakapagtataka nga, we're doing away with one-on-one plays and yet bahrami, madanly, el khatib are doing it?

due to the deterioration in creativity and inferior size, we have no choice but hope to drastically improve our outside shooting.
 
My Serious Take

My Serious Take

4th place is a decent finish for a team mostly composed of Amateur players that has been playing together for more than two years. The fact that they've done this in two years shows that they've improved tremendously considering a national team usually takes three to five years before they peak and become contenders so to be honest with you, i wasn't dissapointed maybe those people who expected too much are the ones who got dissapointed.

The negatives in this tournament is that we're not able to close out the winnable games that mattered the most and i think the coaching staff should devise a plan about finishing a game well.

Positive side of our team is DEFENSE. I agree with some forumers that our D had been impressive in this tournament limiting our opponents under 70 pts. when winning and that's something we should look forward to because i believe in the saying that "Defense wins Championships".

Things that i observed on Gilas' stint

PROS:
Defense - one thing that impressed me the most. They did a great job protecting the perimeter however, they still need to strengthen the interior D to deny opponents that mostly rely on the inside.
Japeth Aguilar's performance - this guy had a breakout tournament getting more aggressive on the inside hope he'll keep it up because i believe he will be a factor come Asian Championships.
Rebounding - based on the statistics overall, we actually did well in securing the boards except the game against qatar, another good sign for us.
Douthit-Casio combo - one of the main reasons we were able to cruise into the semifinals. Douthit as expected dominated but what's more impressive was Casio's performance, he has become our GO-TO guy in crunch times.

CONS:
Field goal percentage - probably the biggest downside that we had all tournament long.
Perimeter Shooting - the strength that has become our weakness in this tournament
Turnovers - another aspect that we should work on. If we could limit this, we'll be fine.

Story of the Tournament:
The Battle of Might and Experience

Final Assessment:
The team will do fine in the coming months, the only question remains is will Alapag and K-Will be able to pick-up the system in a short span of time considering they will regroup with Gilas a month after the real competition?
other than that, i truly believe Gilas will make a good impact in Wuhan this September.

My final four in Wuhan:
China
Iran
Lebanon
Philippines

Who will enter finals i leave it until September.:)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
4th place is a decent finish for a team mostly composed of Amateur players that has been playing together for more than two years. The fact that they've done this in two years shows that they've improved tremendously considering a national team usually takes three to five years before they peak and become contenders so to be honest with you, i wasn't dissapointed maybe those people who expected too much are the ones who got dissapointed.

The negatives in this tournament is that we're not able to close out the winnable games that mattered the most and i think the coaching staff should devise a plan about finishing a game well.

Positive side of our team is DEFENSE. I agree with some forumers that our D had been impressive in this tournament limiting our opponents under 70 pts. when winning and that's something we should look forward to because i believe in the saying that "Defense wins Championships".

Things that i observed on Gilas' stint

PROS:
Defense - one thing that impressed me the most. They did a great job protecting the perimeter however, they still need to strengthen the interior D to deny opponents that mostly rely on the inside.
Japeth Aguilar's performance - this guy had a breakout tournament getting more aggressive on the inside hope he'll keep it up because i believe he will be a factor come Asian Championships.
Rebounding - based on the statistics overall, we actually did well in securing the boards except the game against qatar, another good sign for us.

CONS:
Field goal percentage - probably the biggest downside that we had all tournament long.
Perimeter Shooting - the strength that has become our weakness in this tournament
Turnovers - another aspect that we should work on. If we could limit this, we'll be fine.

Story of the Tournament:
The Battle of Might and Experience

Final Assessment:
The team will do fine in the coming months, the only question remains is will Alapag and K-Will be able to pick-up the system in a short span of time considering they will regroup with Gilas a month after the real competition?
other than that, i truly believe Gilas will make a good impact in Wuhan this September.

My final four in Wuhan:
China
Iran
Lebanon
Philippines

Who will enter finals i leave it until September.:)

Well add to that pa the pressure from the fans, I believe our players could have trashed many teams had they made outside shots, sa sobrang taas siguro ng pressure that's why.... But I believe most fans must be realistic that we are no longer in the era of Loyzaga na we dominate Asia
 
Watched the game live again today and it was too awful.

It's either the players had subconsciously given up on the game already or they just got too knackered after playing against Iran during the previous day.

The energy and passion that people felt during the game with Jordan was just not there.

The home court advantage was clearly non existent too as a lot of seats were empty; and the few who did show up were quiet most of the time.

Tough luck for Gilas really. I'll post a short video with the Lebanon coach about how he sees Gilas, its upcoming PBA reinforcements, and meeting us in the Olympics.
 
I have heard some really funny comments of some very sore losers so I couldn’t help myself. Someone said that the purpose of Gilas is not to go qualify for the Olympics but to improve the county’s ranking. I thought the whole purpose of creating Smart Gilas was London 2012??? Here’s a little secret, win a major tournament and RP’s ranking will go up. Btw, if you have time, read this:

http://www.philstar.com/SportsArticle.aspx?articleId=450210&publicationSubCategoryId=69

Then I read that Gilas didn’t go all out in the 2011 FIBA Asia Champions Cup so that they could somewhat hide their true potential and surprise their opponents. So what you’re saying is that they purposely lost in front of their home crowd so they could “trick” their opponents later on in Wuhan??? I think you’re the one who’s tricked yourself into believing something as silly as that.

Over the years I have read so many reasons on this forum on why the Gilas can’t win a major tournament. Lack of training, injuries to players during a tournament, no naturalized player, no PBA reinforcement and the list goes on and on and on.

This time around there were no major injuries to key players. Douthit is playing. There are PBA players on the team and they have had enough time to train together with the Gilas players. Gilas has also been coached by a respectable coach for a few years now. Let’s not forget home court advantage as well. Yet 4th place was Gilas’s only consolation.

The list goes back. FIBA Asia Champions Cup 2009, 2010 Jones Cup, FIBA Asia Stanković Cup 2010, Asian Games 2010 and their recent PBA stint. Not one first place finish.

Don’t get me wrong, Gilas has improved over the years but let’s try to live in the real world. Other NTs continue to improve as well. They don't just sit around dream that their getting better. To actually win anything significant, Gilas would have to progress at a much faster rate than other NTs, but obviously they aren’t.

Speaking of NTs. At the 2011 FIBA Asia Champions Cup, Gilas was the only pure NT playing in the tournament. Yes, other teams had “hybrid” club teams, but still, Gilas is a full time NT. Yet they couldn’t even make it to the finals. I wonder how Gilas would match up against the Chinese, Iranian, Lebanese and Korean NT’s???

Individually, Gilas has some good players. JV Casio has evolved into a consistently good player and definitely one of the best on the team. On the other hand, Japeth is seriously over-hyped. The WKU bench warmer plays like an amateur whenever he goes up against quality big men. Then there’s Gilas’s main weapon. Outside shooting. This works against PBA teams filled with small players or foreign teams with mediocre players. But against good players with height, its goodnight Gilas. Putting into consideration that Hontiveros is one of RP’s best shooters and then looking at how poorly he performed against Al Rayyan and Mahram, it obvious that throwing up Hail Marys won’t work all the time.

My point is, support the team and be proud of their accomplishments. Just don’t give pathetic excuses on why Gilas always falls short of expectations. If they stick to their program and continue having the support their getting from all their sponsors, I’d give Gilas 4 or 5 more years before they’re one of the top teams in Asia. One other thing. For all those “believers” and “dreamers,” it’s ok to dream once in awhile. Just don’t end up in your own fantasy world. Gilas is a good team, but it’s far from the team that you would want it to be. Nothing is impossible, but dreams only come true if you first face and accept reality.
 
Finally a comment worth reading and replying too
Too many people say this and that, do this and that when you are not playing in there against big athlethic men compared to the undersized gilas men. posters here think what they say is the way it should be to win, come on guys, you guys are not geniuses that is why we post here instead of being with the team, we are just fans... we are not coaches, players and consultants of gilas.
enough of the excuses actually enough of the geniuses and negative comments, these are all very discouraging especially since we lost the last 2 games, we need encouragement and some positive comments like the one quoted

good tournament effort by gilas but still not enough to defeat the super teams
let us face it, the Phils is not a basketball power in asia anymore!!!!
but we can still compete and still have the chance to win with the smart gilas team. these guys have given their all to make us proud but being smaller it takes more effort to compete with the bigger guys
hence last game no more legs, no more tenacity and add to that the athletecism of the qatar team made it a loss, no free 3s, no legs to take the shot and not enough to guard the opponents
the outside was defended well and they let marcus score inside but not enough help to win

hope the coaching staff learn from this and adjust as needed
the london goal is lofty but if you are going to set a goal make it a worthy one
good luck team Pilipinas



I have heard some really funny comments of some very sore losers so I couldn’t help myself. Someone said that the purpose of Gilas is not to go qualify for the Olympics but to improve the county’s ranking. I thought the whole purpose of creating Smart Gilas was London 2012??? Here’s a little secret, win a major tournament and RP’s ranking will go up. Btw, if you have time, read this:

http://www.philstar.com/SportsArticle.aspx?articleId=450210&publicationSubCategoryId=69

Then I read that Gilas didn’t go all out in the 2011 FIBA Asia Champions Cup so that they could somewhat hide their true potential and surprise their opponents. So what you’re saying is that they purposely lost in front of their home crowd so they could “trick” their opponents later on in Wuhan??? I think you’re the one who’s tricked yourself into believing something as silly as that.

Over the years I have read so many reasons on this forum on why the Gilas can’t win a major tournament. Lack of training, injuries to players during a tournament, no naturalized player, no PBA reinforcement and the list goes on and on and on.

This time around there were no major injuries to key players. Douthit is playing. There are PBA players on the team and they have had enough time to train together with the Gilas players. Gilas has also been coached by a respectable coach for a few years now. Let’s not forget home court advantage as well. Yet 4th place was Gilas’s only consolation.

The list goes back. FIBA Asia Champions Cup 2009, 2010 Jones Cup, FIBA Asia Stanković Cup 2010, Asian Games 2010 and their recent PBA stint. Not one first place finish.

Don’t get me wrong, Gilas has improved over the years but let’s try to live in the real world. Other NTs continue to improve as well. They don't just sit around dream that their getting better. To actually win anything significant, Gilas would have to progress at a much faster rate than other NTs, but obviously they aren’t.

Speaking of NTs. At the 2011 FIBA Asia Champions Cup, Gilas was the only pure NT playing in the tournament. Yes, other teams had “hybrid” club teams, but still, Gilas is a full time NT. Yet they couldn’t even make it to the finals. I wonder how Gilas would match up against the Chinese, Iranian, Lebanese and Korean NT’s???

Individually, Gilas has some good players. JV Casio has evolved into a consistently good player and definitely one of the best on the team. On the other hand, Japeth is seriously over-hyped. The WKU bench warmer plays like an amateur whenever he goes up against quality big men. Then there’s Gilas’s main weapon. Outside shooting. This works against PBA teams filled with small players or foreign teams with mediocre players. But against good players with height, its goodnight Gilas. Putting into consideration that Hontiveros is one of RP’s best shooters and then looking at how poorly he performed against Al Rayyan and Mahram, it obvious that throwing up Hail Marys won’t work all the time.

My point is, support the team and be proud of their accomplishments. Just don’t give pathetic excuses on why Gilas always falls short of expectations. If they stick to their program and continue having the support their getting from all their sponsors, I’d give Gilas 4 or 5 more years before they’re one of the top teams in Asia. One other thing. For all those “believers” and “dreamers,” it’s ok to dream once in awhile. Just don’t end up in your own fantasy world. Gilas is a good team, but it’s far from the team that you would want it to be. Nothing is impossible, but dreams only come true if you first face and accept reality.
 
Finally a comment worth reading and replying too
Too many people say this and that, do this and that when you are not playing in there against big athlethic men compared to the undersized gilas men. posters here think what they say is the way it should be to win, come on guys, you guys are not geniuses that is why we post here instead of being with the team, we are just fans... we are not coaches, players and consultants of gilas.
enough of the excuses actually enough of the geniuses and negative comments, these are all very discouraging especially since we lost the last 2 games, we need encouragement and some positive comments like the one quoted

good tournament effort by gilas but still not enough to defeat the super teams
let us face it, the Phils is not a basketball power in asia anymore!!!!
but we can still compete and still have the chance to win with the smart gilas team. these guys have given their all to make us proud but being smaller it takes more effort to compete with the bigger guys
hence last game no more legs, no more tenacity and add to that the athletecism of the qatar team made it a loss, no free 3s, no legs to take the shot and not enough to guard the opponents
the outside was defended well and they let marcus score inside but not enough help to win

hope the coaching staff learn from this and adjust as needed
the london goal is lofty but if you are going to set a goal make it a worthy one
good luck team Pilipinas

I don't think being a basketball power matters to any country anymore. To me, it's all about staying competitive and being consistent with your performance. In Europe, there's no basketball power; just a plethora of competitive teams. That's what we should aim for always: being competitive.

Whether or not we can attain that London goal, we must finish as high as possible in Wuhan. If we cannot get that crown, then we must grab at least 2nd or 3rd place. What we need to acquire is experience in playing top-level teams in the world. I believe a ticket to the Olympic qualifiers can do just that although it's not as big as the Olympics.

I'm quite worried about our future NT programs. The Smart Gilas program has shown that we cannot be competitive if we follow this formula. We really need every sector in basketball to cooperate. This is a lesson to us. We cannot attain success if we don't work together.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top