UAAP vs NCAA stars

[ricodgame2]

(I don't know where to post this question so I created a new thread)

As far as the UAAP vs NCAA Bantay Bata games, it has/always been the NCAA teams lording over, but when it comes to turning pro(PBA), I haven't seen any NCAA Star Player became a star in the PBA. So my question is, why?

 

[xent2]

(I don't know where to post this question so I created a new thread)

As far as the UAAP vs NCAA Bantay Bata games, it has/always been the NCAA teams lording over, but when it comes to turning pro(PBA), I haven't seen any NCAA Star Player became a star in the PBA. So my question is, why?

Vergel Meneses-JRU
Alvin Patrimonio-MIT
Kerby Raymundo-CSJL
Chris Calaguio-CSJL (?)

Those are the players I can think of at the top of my head...

 

[capitantiago2]

(I don't know where to post this question so I created a new thread)

As far as the UAAP vs NCAA Bantay Bata games, it has/always been the NCAA teams lording over, but when it comes to turning pro(PBA), I haven't seen any NCAA Star Player became a star in the PBA. So my question is, why?

But Bantay Bata is not a good gauge.
Except maybe Kerby and Miller, there are only few among former NCAA stars who have made it big and spectacular in the PBA in the last 10 years.

 

[Baller Jobe2]

Vergel Meneses-JRU
Alvin Patrimonio-MIT
Kerby Raymundo-CSJL
Chris Calaguio-CSJL (?)

Those are the players I can think of at the top of my head...

Don't forget the great Samboy Lim of CSJL as well. Willie Miller is also from CSJL.

 

[nardy2]

(I don't know where to post this question so I created a new thread)

As far as the UAAP vs NCAA Bantay Bata games, it has/always been the NCAA teams lording over, but when it comes to turning pro(PBA), I haven't seen any NCAA Star Player became a star in the PBA. So my question is, why?

well maybe its because the NCAA play more as a team while the UAAP players are there just to showcase their individual skills.

In the PBA to survive, you have skills that the fans are looking for. Players who are fundamentally sound and are just contented to play team ball has no place in the PBA.

Dont be surprised that an individualistic and rough playing Calvin Abueva would become a star in the PBA. But the more efficient but silently contented to be in the background co-Pinatubo Twin Ronald Pascual might have a hard time making it to the PBA.

Both Pamboy Raymundo and Anthony del Rio are both capable guards but Raymundo has a better chance of making it to the PBA.

Just look a James Sena he is a good center but is dull to watch, Hans Thiele has the potential to become an explosive double-double player. Sena was drafted by San Miguel last year but to this day has not played a single PBA game, Thiele was undrafted this year but got a playing contract and would see action today for Barako Bull vs Alaska.

 

[nardy2]

Macky Escalona did not last long in the PBA because he does not have the individual skills that a LA Tenorio could dish out.

Look at Dino Aldeguer who was picked 3rd overall in 2000, he did not last long in the PBA even if he is a very efficient point guard but how come Egay Billiones who was picked much later than him at #6 lasted longer than him in the PBA. Its because Egay become more of an enforcer kind of role player and did not stay in the background.

As a player in the PBA, in order to survive one has to assert himself individually or has to evolve to some time of player that is needed by the teams. Just look at Willie Wilson and Harvey Carey, they are not that big or that athletic, but they are crafty players whose skills made them in demand.

 

[nardy2]

hmmm .... the boys from Muralla, Intramuros are good example.

Letran stars Kerby Raymundo and Willie Miller are players who were not dominating in their college days but they are good.

But in the PBA, they asserted themselves and thus becoming bigger stars.

their fellow Knight Chris Calaguio was a superstar in college but was contented to be just a catch and shoot player while in the PBA, he did not improve himself to a much more complete player, so now he is just a common bench player now looking for a team to hook-up.

I remember my time Letranites Romy Ang and Samboy Lim were mentioned at the say breath in their college days but in the PBA the more entertaining Samboy became a legend while Romy became a has been.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

My observation is that it is typical to see UAAP players flourish in the PBA more compared to their NCAA counterparts because there's greater semblance of team play in the UAAP. And since the UAAP is given more exposure with media, it is expected that their top stars end up as the top rookie picks. Here's the list:

TOP ROOKIE PICKS (FROM 1985 ONWARDS)

from the NCAA: Meneses, Miller

from the UAAP: Caidic, Tanuan, Paras, Araneta, Limpot, Locsin, Espino, Aquino, Ildefonso, Mendoza, Cortez, Alvarez, Aguilar, Baclao

from other leagues: Cabatu, Cuenco, Jao, Seigle, De Ocampo, Washington, Williams, Devance, Norwood

But if and when the NCAA does produce a superstar, expect him to be a huge marquee player. Classic examples would include Alvin Patrimonio of Mapua and Samboy Lim of Letran.

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

hmmm .... the boys from Muralla, Intramuros are good example.

Letran stars Kerby Raymundo and Willie Miller are players who were not dominating in their college days but they are good.

But in the PBA, they asserted themselves and thus becoming bigger stars.

their fellow Knight Chris Calaguio was a superstar in college but was contented to be just a catch and shoot player while in the PBA, he did not improve himself to a much more complete player, so now he is just a common bench player now looking for a team to hook-up.

I remember my time Letranites Romy Ang and Samboy Lim were mentioned at the say breath in their college days but in the PBA the more entertaining Samboy became a legend while Romy became a has been.

In relation to the topic, the first time I saw an NCAA-UAAP All Star Game was in the mid-80s. It was televised and was held at the ULTRA. That was also the first time I saw Letran Knight point guard Romy Ang. He wore number 5 and was considered a tall point guard during his time.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Romy Ang did play the point for Letran a couple of times sometime in 1983 and 1984. His natural position, though, was #2, with Samboy Lim playing #3. Wasn't it Jerry Gonzales, the 5'8 speedster, who played the point chores for the Knights back then?

 

[nardy2]

Romy Ang did play the point for Letran a couple of times sometime in 1983 and 1984. His natural position, though, was #2, with Samboy Lim playing #3. Wasn't it Jerry Gonzales, the 5'8 speedster, who played the point chores for the Knights back then?

1982-84: Grand Slam

Larry Albano’s boys recaptured the NCAA title in 1982 via a near-sweep of the eliminations. With Letran winning the first (4-1, only loss from San Sebastian College-Recoletos (SSCR)), and the second (5-0) rounds, no championship round was needed as the Knights brought the title back to Muralla.

from what I remember Jerry was the NCAA Jrs MVP in 1982 and in 1983 was a Freshman Rookie and was first a back-up to Romy but soon assumed lead point guard chores and Ang moved to shooting guard and Lim to small forward.

The 1983 Finals series was a memorable one when the Knights faced the tough SSC-R Stags. But with Samboy Lim and Romy Ang in the lineup, the Knights sustained the momentum gained from 1982, and won the 1983 championships.

In 1984, Letran made NCAA history for being the third team to do a three-peat.

 

[apocalypse now!2]

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nardy,

thanks for posting.

question: do they ever swept the 1984 season? coz afaik they won the juniors & seniors title that year.

 

[nardy2]

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nardy,

thanks for posting.

question: do they ever swept the 1984 season? coz afaik they won the juniors & seniors title that year.

Yup in 1983-84 the Letran Knights and Letran Squires were the kings of NCAA Seniors and Juniors divisions. But it is the year when San Beda, La Salle and Ateneo were all out of the NCAA. Am not sure if the Knights did sweep the 1984 season but that is the year they completed their 3-peat.

In 1978, League-wide violence led to the withdrawal of Ateneo de Manila from the NCAA.

In 1980, La Salle fans and Letran supporters engaged themselves in a brawl during the second round of eliminations in the 1980 season. The Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) aborted the 1980 season and suspended Letran in all events. In 1981, the league readmitted Letran, which led to La Salle withdrawing from the NCAA.

After the 1982-83 School Year, San Beda withdrew from the NCAA but came back in 1986.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Basketball_Championship_(Philippines)#cite_note-3

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Yup in 1983-84 the Letran Knights and Letran Squires were the kings of NCAA Seniors and Juniors divisions. But it is the year when San Beda, La Salle and Ateneo were all out of the NCAA. Am not sure if the Knights did sweep the 1984 season but that is the year they completed their 3-peat.

In 1978, League-wide violence led to the withdrawal of Ateneo de Manila from the NCAA.

In 1980, La Salle fans and Letran supporters engaged themselves in a brawl during the second round of eliminations in the 1980 season. The Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) aborted the 1980 season and suspended Letran in all events. In 1981, the league readmitted Letran, which led to La Salle withdrawing from the NCAA.

After the 1982-83 School Year, San Beda withdrew from the NCAA but came back in 1986.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Basketball_Championship_(Philippines)#cite_note-3

I remember the Letran guys like Itoy Esguerra, Dennis Carbonilla and Erwin (or was it Elmer or Edwin?) Bolabola who suited up for the Knights in 1980 against La Salle. The game was held at the Rizal Memorial Coliseum and the brawl involved some Letran students and the goons of Danding Cojuangco. Cojuangco then was the chief basketball patron of La Salle, which had players like Derrick Pumaren, Richard Mendoza, Wilton Roxas, Teddy Alfarero, among others.

 

[nardy2]

I remember the Letran guys like Itoy Esguerra, Dennis Carbonilla and Erwin (or was it Elmer or Edwin?) Bolabola who suited up for the Knights in 1980 against La Salle. The game was held at the Rizal Memorial Coliseum and the brawl involved some Letran students and the goons of Danding Cojuangco. Cojuangco then was the chief basketball patron of La Salle, which had players like Derrick Pumaren, Richard Mendoza, Wilton Roxas, Teddy Alfarero, among others.

Is Ed Baldomero still part of that 1980 Letran team? I remember names like Ramon San Juan, Bong Aninon, Noni Robles, Tim Coloso, Ed Ducut and Ted McKinney at that time.

Carbonilla ..... he is a tall guy with huge muscles and he was a freshman that time. At the same time period I remember Letran Squire Terry Saldana was a monster in the Juniors as he was literally bullying all opposition. But before Terry's time, Erwin Bolabola scored 71 points as a Squire but was not as dominant as a Knight coz San Juan and Aninon were the scorers. Itoy was one of the younger Knights that time.

Then for La Salle aside from those you mentioned, there was Arnel Manosca, Alfie Almario, Jun Tan, Jong Uichico, Tonichi Yturri and Pio Morabe who I recall.

It was a crazy period at that time. All I could recall was the chaos during the games. There were a lot of fights from here to there. The rumbles would even happen inside Harrison Plaza. The gates of La Salle Taft were at times closed shut to avoid the attacks of rival students. I do recall before the end of each game the Letran side would shout their favorite cheer "Manalo, matalo bugbog kayo!" .

It was scary time but we learned to accept that it was part of NCAA Basketball

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Mon San Juan? Wow...that's a name I haven't heard for nearly two and a half decades already. Great recall, Nardy.

I'm not sure if Baldomero was part of the 1980 team. What I know was he was part of Letran in 1981 or 1982. Esguerra, by then, has moved on to Crispa in the PBA where he became a benchwarmer. Carbonilla joined Ginebra a couple of seasons after while Bolabola became known because there were multiple siblings that played - we never seem to run out of these guys.

Noni Robles, who later suited up for Great Taste in the PBA, was with that team. I'm not sure about Timo Coloso though although I remember him play at the MICAA for a team that I forgot (was Frigidaire still there?). Coloso eventually joined Toyota in 1982 as the latter's version of Crispa's coup in 1981. Crispa snared the APCOR stars - Bay Cristobal, Yoyoy Villamin, Mon Cruz and Padim Israel, while Toyota, in 1982, had their turn of star rookies in Coloso, Terry Saldaña of APCOR, Ricky Relosa (of Frigidaire?), and Ed Cordero of Crispa.

 

[nardy2]

Mon San Juan? Wow...that's a name I haven't heard for nearly two and a half decades already. Great recall, Nardy.

I'm not sure if Baldomero was part of the 1980 team. What I know was he was part of Letran in 1981 or 1982. Esguerra, by then, has moved on to Crispa in the PBA where he became a benchwarmer. Carbonilla joined Ginebra a couple of seasons after while Bolabola became known because there were multiple siblings that played - we never seem to run out of these guys.

Noni Robles, who later suited up for Great Taste in the PBA, was with that team. I'm not sure about Timo Coloso though although I remember him play at the MICAA for a team that I forgot (was Frigidaire still there?). Coloso eventually joined Toyota in 1982 as the latter's version of Crispa's coup in 1981. Crispa snared the APCOR stars - Bay Cristobal, Yoyoy Villamin, Mon Cruz and Padim Israel, while Toyota, in 1982, had their turn of star rookies in Coloso, Terry Saldaña of APCOR, Ricky Relosa (of Frigidaire?), and Ed Cordero of Crispa.

Coloso was part of MAN Diesel as a backup for Bokyo Lauchengco. I think Joel Banal was also part of that team.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Interesting to note that the 1982 RP Youth team mentored by Ron Jacobs and managed by Danding Cojuangco was made up of mostly Dela Salle players. It's interesting because DLSU wasn't part of any collegiate league back then, but was active in the Interclub and the National Seniors. The 1982 Youth team were:

Leo Austria - Lyceum
Hector Calma - Adamson
Louie Brill - San Beda
Elmer Reyes - San Beda
Rey Cuenco - Arellano (?)
Derrick Pumaren - DLSU
Richard Mendoza - DLSU
Jong Uichico - DLSU
Jun Tan - DLSU
Tonichi Yturri - DLSU
Teddy Alfarero - DLSU
Alfie Almario - DLSU

 

[capitantiago2]

Interesting to note that the 1982 RP Youth team mentored by Ron Jacobs and managed by Danding Cojuangco was made up of mostly Dela Salle players. It's interesting because DLSU wasn't part of any collegiate league back then, but was active in the Interclub and the National Seniors. The 1982 Youth team were:

Leo Austria - Lyceum
Hector Calma - Adamson
Louie Brill - San Beda
Elmer Reyes - San Beda
Rey Cuenco - Arellano (?)
Derrick Pumaren - DLSU
Richard Mendoza - DLSU
Jong Uichico - DLSU
Jun Tan - DLSU
Tonichi Yturri - DLSU
Teddy Alfarero - DLSU
Alfie Almario - DLSU

Derrick Pumaren, DLSU? No! He played for the Red Warriors, and so was his brother Filomeno III.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Coloso was part of MAN Diesel as a backup for Bokyo Lauchengco. I think Joel Banal was also part of that team.

Yes, Frigidaire / MAN Diesel was Toyota's farm team in the MICAA actually. Some of those who suited up for the Diesel Makers were, apart from Banal, Coloso and Lauchengco, names like Angelito Ladores, Ricky Relosa, Ed Merced, Pol Herrera, Pablo Javier, Emer Legaspi, among others. This was from circa 1977-1982. Interesting to see that Lauchengco, who was a member of the 1978 RP Men's Team in the Worlds and the 1981 Men's Team in the SEAG, only joined the PBA in 1982 and not for Toyota but for San Miguel.