Olympiacos prepared to make offer to AI
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wardjdim
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Jon_Koncak
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Yes,the same Iverson who grew up in the hood,got involved in shootings when he was 17 and didn't like basketball at first because he thought it was a soft sport will shit himself over some random dude from Trikala hittin him.
Black_Planet,you are speaking the truth but don't forget you are in a board where 78% of the posters would rather have Davor Kus in their teams than Allen Iverson.
Red Inspiration
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First I chose to ignore your comment, is your rigght to have your opinion and I respect it, I don't have to agree with it, but I respect it! But the more I read it, the less I feel the need to stay quiet!
First of all, Kaka and Messi and C Ronaldo in football, are what Kobe, Lebron and TMac are in basketball. So if you think you can get those guys to come and play for any Euro team, I will go and buy season tickets, that team's hat and flag and do a crazy dance of my choice and watch them play
Second, European leagues are to the NBA, somewhat like what the MLS is to European football. Iverson coming to Oly is like Beckham going to LA. End of the career, no real hunger for success, a real hunger for some last minute money, and no production.
And last, Childress! "Light years ahead of european players"! I resent you for saying that! You either are blind (basketball wise), or you work in Olympiakos management so you're trying to somehow justify him. Do you know how most of the teams guarded him last year? "let him shoot, box him out" and that's it. With the money they gave him, they could have bought another team in A1 and put all of their young players there so they can get some experience.
I'm sorry, but I'm against Iverson coming to Oly. His days are long gone now, I would rather give some youngster some playing time and wait for him to develop, rather than pay a washed out superstar and get just publicity, but no results. But hey, that's just me
the_black_planet
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rex_79,mate about Childress you misunderstood 100%,I said he is light years above only in athletic ability,I think you'll agree with this,I don't think ever in Europe we've seen this kind of quickness by a 3.I would seem really ignorant if I said Childress is the best player in Europe,there also enough ex-NBA players of his "play level" in Europe like Boki,Delfino,Arroyo to make the comparison and all these are not even considered by anyone as "the best of the best" like Saras,Navarro,Mc Intaire,Diamantidis,Siska and so.Then about Iverson I disagree with you,he isn't young but he is such a big personality and I believe he has the ability to play top level for at least 2 more years,just if he comes to the proper team.That's my opinion,we probably never know who is right or wrong...
AirBall
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why you think he chose "airball" as his nickname?
it's called self-knowing
Yes mate, I watched Childress when he was shooting fts and I decided to take this nickname. Maybe I will earn 4 millions too...
Red Inspiration
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I'm sorry, but I'm against Iverson coming to Oly. His days are long gone now, I would rather give some youngster some playing time and wait for him to develop, rather than pay a washed out superstar and get just publicity, but no results. But hey, that's just me
why would you be against?
you 're not an oly fan, so even if he fails why you would care?
i really don't get why most people are against, really.
all in all he is a guy that can give some highlights at least, so as a basketball fan you should be happy.
if he fails or he is expensive it doesn't affect you, it is oly's owners problem
Red Inspiration
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i don't think so mate.
you ain't gonna earn that kind of money for being a fatass that can hardly jump over a newspaper
life sucks, i know
KokkinosVasilias
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Guys, is this the Post of the Week?
is this a rhetorical question or are you expecting the Answer
kukulas
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Unlike washed out physical players, Iverson can shoot the ball. Obviously as his name has come up I don't even think there is a slight chance of him playing for Olympiakos, but purely for argument's sake I think he could do quite well in Europe. Obviously not proportionally to the money that he would want to get paid. You could probably find the same scoring averages by signing Igor Rakocevic.
I agree that Childress was a MEGA flop. Actually with the money that he gets every year you can buy the roster of 4 greek teams (Maroussi, Panionios, Kolossos, Peristeri all add up to about 4.2 million euros just for players' salaries).
Sure he's a good player (when he gets an open lane) but everyone knows that it was a move purely to demonstrate that they can actually do it, rather than being a move that would bring a title to Olympiakos. Kelati for example is far more substantial transfer than Childress.
I agree that Childress was a MEGA flop. Actually with the money that he gets every year you can buy the roster of 4 greek teams (Maroussi, Panionios, Kolossos, Peristeri all add up to about 4.2 million euros just for players' salaries).
Sure he's a good player (when he gets an open lane) but everyone knows that it was a move purely to demonstrate that they can actually do it, rather than being a move that would bring a title to Olympiakos. Kelati for example is far more substantial transfer than Childress.
I don't care, that's first! I just said what I felt, that I would rather invest in a really good youngster than give crazy amounts to a player in an advanced age
Second, as a fan maybe yeah, it could be a good signing, but I'm not a fan, and nothing I said earlier was said from a fan's perspective
And third, the money does come out of Oly's owners, but you and everybody else who think that it doesn't affect anybody, I'm sorry to say but you're a fool (don't take it as an insult, just an expression). It affects european basketball
All they're doing, is they're giving significant amount of money to somewhat not so significant players, or better the paycheck-value/production-fair market value ratio is way unbalanced. Because they raise the prices this high, the small teams don't stand a chance. No wonder why there's only been two teams out of Greece for the past 20 years. Everybody else is trying to catch up with them. I just think it's unfair. One thing I like about the NBA, among other things, is that there, every team will get the chance to build up a good squad, because of the draft system. Even the Clippers get a chance...
@black planet: misunderstood you buddy, I really thought you meant Childress was a better player, my apologies
Red Inspiration
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well, if you rate allen iverson as a not-so-significant player, obviously something is wrong in the way you rate things.
You may not like him or the NBA, but that's a different thing.
Even in the NBA that you like its draft system, he had huge double-digit (in million $) contracts until now.
There are other things like market value and marketing value in the equation that you may don't care, but a team which is also a company, cares about.
A 5 million $ per year for iverson is a fair price for what you get, and it doesn't affect the prices in europe!
he is not davor kus for fs!
I never said I don't like him, or the NBA for that matter. I really think he deserved all the money he made in the NBA until now. If he does come to OLY for just 5 mil, I'm all for it, but you and I both know that's not going to happen. And the not-so-significant comment wasn't for AI, more so it was for most of the players Oly has had over the past 5-6 years. Don't forget, this is the same club that created a team "good" enough to lose in Athens by 55 points to Efes Pilsen. And I know for a fact that their budget was bigger than Efes'
Red Inspiration
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well that's the money they are giving him, so the other things you say are irrelevant.
i don't really get the comment about efes.
They're also the same club that created a team good enough to knock down a 35 point difference to the european champion of 1996, panathinaikos.
i know as a fact their budget was bigger, they had dominique wilkins on the payroll.
what does that mean?
that pao was a fluke back then and the players were useless?
totally irrelevant
Freaknick
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Woah. A lot to take in when read all at once. I'll give it a shot though...
-I don't know why everyone acts as if he's soft and complains ON THE COURT. He's the toughest pound-for-pound basketball player probably ever.
-It's really not appropriate (in my opinion) for anyone to reference his half-year in Detroit when judging him as a player. Let's not judge a Hall of Famer based on 54 games (in which he still averaged 17.4 ppg despite the numerous benchings and the closed door controversies). The guy has a career scoring average of 27 ppg.
-Do we have to compare every NBA import from here on out to Childress? They couldn't be much more different in their style of play, and AI can definitely hit the international 3-pointer, whereas Childress knows that isn't his game. Side note: Childress is a career 80% FT shooter, even though his form is ugly as sin. Just giving credit where credit is due. All's well that ends well.
-OLY could probably use the money a bit more wisely, but as a basketball fan (and I am echoing the opinions of another poster here), why wouldn't you want to see this go through? For all the NBA haters, wouldn't you want him to come over and NOT be able to score at will? Result: more respect for the Euroleague and a better global understanding of the beautiful differences in the two games. I, for one, would be thrilled at the prospect.
I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinions. I can always count on some diversity here.
-I don't know why everyone acts as if he's soft and complains ON THE COURT. He's the toughest pound-for-pound basketball player probably ever.
-It's really not appropriate (in my opinion) for anyone to reference his half-year in Detroit when judging him as a player. Let's not judge a Hall of Famer based on 54 games (in which he still averaged 17.4 ppg despite the numerous benchings and the closed door controversies). The guy has a career scoring average of 27 ppg.
-Do we have to compare every NBA import from here on out to Childress? They couldn't be much more different in their style of play, and AI can definitely hit the international 3-pointer, whereas Childress knows that isn't his game. Side note: Childress is a career 80% FT shooter, even though his form is ugly as sin. Just giving credit where credit is due. All's well that ends well.
-OLY could probably use the money a bit more wisely, but as a basketball fan (and I am echoing the opinions of another poster here), why wouldn't you want to see this go through? For all the NBA haters, wouldn't you want him to come over and NOT be able to score at will? Result: more respect for the Euroleague and a better global understanding of the beautiful differences in the two games. I, for one, would be thrilled at the prospect.
I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinions. I can always count on some diversity here.
All I have to say:
LOL at the people that think that AI will do anything worthwile in europe, especialy in a big team like Oly. (BTW, I really hate using LOL, just shows how strongly I feel about this).
We're talking about a guy that's used the word "practice" 25 times in an interview, just to rant about his dislike of them. On the frikkin' NBA, where they practice about 1/4 of the times as in Europe. Do you really believe that the management of any big european club won't have a problem with that?
We're talking about a guy that his playstyle is "I play 38 minutes per game, and I'm hogging all the shots". (Actualy, after checking his stats, he averages about 41 minutes and 22 attempted shots per game, his whole carreer). Yes, I'm sure Giannakis is thrilled to get a guy like that.
LOL at the people that think that AI will do anything worthwile in europe, especialy in a big team like Oly. (BTW, I really hate using LOL, just shows how strongly I feel about this).
We're talking about a guy that's used the word "practice" 25 times in an interview, just to rant about his dislike of them. On the frikkin' NBA, where they practice about 1/4 of the times as in Europe. Do you really believe that the management of any big european club won't have a problem with that?
We're talking about a guy that his playstyle is "I play 38 minutes per game, and I'm hogging all the shots". (Actualy, after checking his stats, he averages about 41 minutes and 22 attempted shots per game, his whole carreer). Yes, I'm sure Giannakis is thrilled to get a guy like that.
KokkinosVasilias
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a voice of reason!
it seems that's not good enough to qualify him for playing in europe
i am sure that of all the players that have ever played in the NBA there are many (tens or even hundreds) that had a better carrer scoring average than this pathetic 27 ppg,
i bet that anyone could name ten or twenty players that have/had a better carrer scoring average
but i forgot,
we shouldn't just look the stats, his style isn't suitable for international bball, blah blah blah
and to set the record straight
High school bbal < NCAA < NBA < Euroleague
except an Olympiakos fan, I am also a bball and i would be thrilled watching a true NBA legend playing every week with my team's jersey
sure winning titles is great but if i cared only about that i would have stopped watching bball a looong time ago, but no, I love bball as a game and I would go in every home game of Olympiakos just to watch the (few) highlights that only someone like AI could offer, that would make me leave the court with a smile on my face
by the way, are you so sure that AI would be terrible in europe?
i really hope that we may have the Answer to this question
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Dtown
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It's perfectly fair to judge him on his year with Detroit when considering the player he is now. Don't get me wrong he's probably a first ballot hall of famer but that doesn't change the fact that he was awful in a system that wasn't designed around him. It's not completely his fault, he can't help that he's getting older, but the simple fact is AI works best when he's controlling the ball and the offense works through him. Back in 2001, this was perfectly acceptable as he was one of the most dangerous ball players on the planet. Now though he has a lot of miles on him, and he simply isn't that guy anymore.
This of course wouldn't matter if he was willing to adapt to another style of play, but as we saw in the Pistons implosion last year that simply wasn't happening.