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  • #46
    Originally posted by janketa View Post
    I don't consider Henry as the worst player on the earth or bad at all. Just he shouldn't be 1st creator in any case. As 2nd option to boost with energy is ok for me. I hope Djordjevic will bring Jovic after De Colo's injury, then Henry could be usefull from the bench
    Jovic is constantly injured in last few years, not exactly player you can count on.

    Can you forget about Kokoskov, he's long gone now. And what exactly different could he brought? There's was no good Pgs in the market. How many better Pfs than Polonara were available? Fener has top5 roster. If team is underperforming, it's always 1 person first to be blamed.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post
      Jovic is constantly injured in last few years, not exactly player you can count on.

      Can you forget about Kokoskov, he's long gone now. And what exactly different could he brought? There's was no good Pgs in the market. How many better Pfs than Polonara were available? Fener has top5 roster. If team is underperforming, it's always 1 person first to be blamed.
      Borderline, but yes. They are surely in Top8 according to player material.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
        Borderline, but yes. They are surely in Top8 according to player material.
        You can just compare roster of Fener and Zvezda and it's obvious than someone is underperforming a lot. Or if we take a look at Zenit roster, who has 4 wins more.

        Nando having long term injury won't probably help Fener to have much better second half. The only thing positive is that they're playing kids from Real's youth school next. Cska wasn't properly motivated yesterday, that won't happen to Fener.
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        • #49
          disgusting.. first, punch in stomach, then push in the back..
          https://twitter.com/FloKurth/status/1474086814793224201

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          • #50
            The Puritanism is alive.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Nemanja95 View Post
              The Puritanism is alive.
              As in it's Puritanism to not want to get hit by your manager at your job?
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              • #52
                Come on. We again should discuss about some things about we many times discussed. Of course, nobody doesn`t support physical violence, but neither it wasn`t happen. Pulling for body, harder contacts, wasn`t like he punched him or slap him, it`s pushing and stroke of low intensity. Many coaches did something similar, that doesn`t mean they are bullies, sadists or something similar.

                In my opinion, Trinchieri is too soft for relationships with players, and even them was happened . It`s life. Job of coaches is very stressful, sometimes they cannot control themselves.

                Reason of why I think this is because if Trinchieri or somebody else misuse their own position because he likes to feel powerful and superior in relationship with players, he wouldn`t do that on game, he would do on training. Trinchieri`s reputation is worsened a little bit after that.

                On the other hand something completely different is if something similar would happened in team of some youth generation u14 for example, that could be very painful psychologically for kids. Professional players accept on cooperation with coach and extremely commitment and if do something wrong, their coach needs to react, in some cases overreact. Job of players and coaches demands almost whole commitment, consequently there will be hard things. I agree thins incident it`s problematic, but that is nature of this job, I would like to sport could be beyond other spheres of life but isn`t.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by paspalj View Post
                  As in it's Puritanism to not want to get hit by your manager at your job?
                  Only hitting? When I read "puritanism" I thought they were wrestling in oil
                  The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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                  • #54
                    It happens, Bayern's season isn't that good and evidently Trincheri is a bit nervous. There's no scandal, the important thing is to clarify everything successively.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Nemanja95 View Post
                      Come on. We again should discuss about some things about we many times discussed. Of course, nobody doesn`t support physical violence, but neither it wasn`t happen. Pulling for body, harder contacts, wasn`t like he punched him or slap him, it`s pushing and stroke of low intensity. Many coaches did something similar, that doesn`t mean they are bullies, sadists or something similar.

                      In my opinion, Trinchieri is too soft for relationships with players, and even them was happened . It`s life. Job of coaches is very stressful, sometimes they cannot control themselves.

                      Reason of why I think this is because if Trinchieri or somebody else misuse their own position because he likes to feel powerful and superior in relationship with players, he wouldn`t do that on game, he would do on training. Trinchieri`s reputation is worsened a little bit after that.

                      On the other hand something completely different is if something similar would happened in team of some youth generation u14 for example, that could be very painful psychologically for kids. Professional players accept on cooperation with coach and extremely commitment and if do something wrong, their coach needs to react, in some cases overreact. Job of players and coaches demands almost whole commitment, consequently there will be hard things. I agree thins incident it`s problematic, but that is nature of this job, I would like to sport could be beyond other spheres of life but isn`t.
                      What a bunch of crap.

                      Let's put it this way. If a player did this to a coach, he would be immediately suspended, if not cut by a team.

                      There is no room for discussion here. Laying hands on a player, you should get a large suspension. If it happens again, gone from the sport forever...

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                      • #56
                        I don't know if someone should be suspended or not and I understand emotions but I feel external shame when I watch such scenes. Not to mention that it was done to a player that has no heavy burden in this team. Reminds me at Jure Zdovc with AEK or Sasa Obradovic in ALBA who had similar psychopathic actions. Same goes for Zeljko Obradovic's primitivism and "Fuck you Gigi Datome" quote. It's same category of neandertalism.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by CoachZ View Post
                          What a bunch of crap.

                          Let's put it this way. If a player did this to a coach, he would be immediately suspended, if not cut by a team.

                          There is no room for discussion here. Laying hands on a player, you should get a large suspension. If it happens again, gone from the sport forever...
                          Hierarchically, coach and players aren`t on same level, also like president and coach. Personally, my orientation is something between democratic socialist and anarchist, I don`t support hierarchy, but I don`t see consistent resistance against hierarchy in case of most people. So, if you are defender of rights some guy who has bigger salary than most of people, who is adult and who accept to be in club where coach sometimes will react exaggerate, I think you missed subject.

                          There isn`t law who can suspend someone from the sport because due some kind of physical attack. Everything others is your list of wishes, what I will not comment.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
                            I don't know if someone should be suspended or not and I understand emotions but I feel external shame when I watch such scenes. Not to mention that it was done to a player that has no heavy burden in this team. Reminds me at Jure Zdovc with AEK or Sasa Obradovic in ALBA who had similar psychopathic actions. Same goes for Zeljko Obradovic's primitivism and "Fuck you Gigi Datome" quote. It's same category of neandertalism.
                            You cannot categorize like neandertalism swearwords. In many families there are similar cases, how wouldn`t be in team where is stake big. Ivkovic has spoke about relationships with players, how is difficult to players do good job in benign atmosphere of division of job. Some players need to be provoked, to someone cry out to them, to be criticized. Professional isn`t high culture of beauty manners and restoring puritanist manners. Of course, there are some embarrassing because it`s logically in regard to tension, stake and intensity of job.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Nemanja95 View Post
                              Hierarchically, coach and players aren`t on same level, also like president and coach. Personally, my orientation is something between democratic socialist and anarchist, I don`t support hierarchy, but I don`t see consistent resistance against hierarchy in case of most people. So, if you are defender of rights some guy who has bigger salary than most of people, who is adult and who accept to be in club where coach sometimes will react exaggerate, I think you missed subject.

                              There isn`t law who can suspend someone from the sport because due some kind of physical attack. Everything others is your list of wishes, what I will not comment.
                              Again a bunch of quasi-philosophical mumbo-jumbo. The bottom line is PHYSICAL VIOLENCE! Someone is using violence and force as what, management and coaching tool? Again, I do not expect less from someone who for years supported the famous choking school of coaching.

                              It has nothing to do with hierarchy, positions that two people hold, etc., politics they support. It's about either being a decent human, or a fucking asshole. How much someone is being paid has nothing to do with that either. Not even going to talk about being illegal. Tell me, do you think that if the player complained and filed a formal appeal with both the club and authorities, that the coach would not be penalized? Of course, he would be. The problem is that players often keep quiet do to the fear of being blacklisted as "difficult to coach", etc. Other players rarely support them too, due to the fear of the coach targeting them, etc.

                              A person who is in the position of authority, in this case, a coach, actually has bigger responsibility to behave, respect his players, treat them accordingly, be a fucking leader. It is actually very easy to make your point if you are unhappy with a player. He is playing badly? Bench him. He is not listening to your coaching? Kick him out of rotation. He is being a total asshole and detrimental to the team? Cut him. At no point, you should lay your hands on a player unless you are being physically assaulted by one and you are defending yourself. PERIOD!

                              Everything else is just bullshit and justification of violence.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post


                                There's was no good Pgs in the market.
                                Jovic, Walkup,Wolters,, Laprovittola... Even Pangos why not? He was FA and with some indecent proposal, NBA would be 2nd option. Jovic even with one (injured)leg is better then Henry

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